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Article #620712Re: Nostalgia
From: Jorgen Grahn
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 13:15
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 13:15
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On Thu, 2018-03-01, Dan Espen wrote: > Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> writes: > >> On Tue, 2018-02-27, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote: >> ... >>>> (Not that I would mind such a discussion. I'd like to know e.g. how >>>> programming was affected by sitting at a slow serial terminal in the >>>> 1980s.) >>> >>> Or a card reader in the '60s. >> >> That too, but I'm personally more interested in the time frame when >> tools I use today were created: the Unix shells, C compilers, >> vi/Emacs, troff ... > > I didn't consider a terminal on a 300 baud line slow. > Emacs could scroll through a program reasonably fast > at that speed. The immediate predecessor to slow terminals > was cards. A completely different animal. Still, you must have been forced to keep more context in your head than today? Or did you design everything with pencil and paper beforehand? I probably use the same tools today, but I have a huge screen. My terminals come in color, and the one I use right now is 135x90 rather than 80x24. I run screen(1) in the terminal, so I have multiple virtual terminals, with thousands of lines of searchable scrollback. Emacs is running in a window beside it, also with 90 lines and color. Lastly, I have Git for version control so I can work in terms of increments. I'm not writing that to boast, or "look at how advanced we are now!" I'm genuinely curious about how much all this really helps productivity. > Any terminal was a good thing, but I never had to spend any time on a > paper terminal. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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