🚀 go-pugleaf

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:31:12 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:31:58 -0000 (UTC), John Levine
>> <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <PM000564F...@aca4281c.ipt.aol.com>,
>>> jmfbahciv  <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> "Free" means that the recipients have an infinite resource which
>>>> causes no restrainst in the consumption of that resource.
>>> 
>>> Nonetheless, all over Europe and even in Canada people get health care
>>> for free, no payment at all at point of service, and they are
>>> healthier than Americans and the overall cost is about 1/2 of ours.
>> 
>> Maybe the cost is 1/2 of ours because the populations they treat are
>> healthier.
>> 
>> There is this unstated implication that "they are healthier because
>> the medical treatment system is better".  The notion that "they are
>> healthier because their lifestyle is different" never gets considered.
>> People just assume that the average American's daily activities are
>> identical to those of the average Frenchman or German or Englishman or
>> Swede.  But I have never seen research that shows that this is the
>> case.
>> 
>> Then there's the matter of whether the statistics are identical.
>> People at this point generally say that "the UN defines blah blah
>> blah", but does the average doctor give a crap about how the UN
>> defines it when he is filling out reports?  He's more concerned with
>> the insurance company and the malpractice lawyers, both of whom affect
>> his life directly.
>> 
>> 
>
>>From what I understand they do a lot more bicycling than Mericans do. A lot
>of people bike to work or shopping. I think Germans are more into outdoor
>stuff like hiking than we are. In the US,  guns are a significant cause of
>injuries and death.
>
>In my opinion economies of scale don't really apply to health care, since
>it's a "craft" business, like education. A surgical team can only operate
>on one patient at a time, whether health care is nationalized or private. I
>haven't particularly noticed doctors and nurses sitting idle looking for
>work. If the government really wants to improve medical care it would
>subsidize medical and nursing schools to graduate more trained people.

I found out a few years ago there are lots of bicycle races and
competitions every year in the U.S.