🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: alt.folklore.computers
Article #619959

Re: Making Computers Secure

#619959
From: Bob Eager
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 10:52
31 lines
2984 bytes
On Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:41:11 +0000, Melzzzzz wrote:

>>>The problem we're having is that noone, especially the operating
>>>systems, keeps the user actions separated from system actions.  There
>>>should have been a strict wall between the two functionalities. TOPS-10
>>>and TOPS-20 got this right via the UUO interface.  Unix and MSoft's
>>>developers, over the years, got lazy while writing new code and didn't
>>>keep a strict wall between the two.
>>
>> I think you will find that the opposite has occurred.  Early PCs didn't
>> even have the means to enforce such a wall.  Now modern operating
>> systems run just about everything in userspace at some level of
>> virtualization.
> 
> Correct. 286 had protected mode, but almost no OS used it...

The only systems I can think of were some nice UNIX-like systems, 
including IBM's PC-IX. It didn't help that protected mode was 
incompatible address-wise with real mode.

Barb seems to be implying that the UUO interface was something new (but 
then we know her only experience is DEC!). I can think of plenty of 
examples on other systems and hardware.



-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org
Technical Details
Message-ID: <fdliigFfgjjU24@mid.individual.net>
Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!e39ni2034qtk.1!nntp.google.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!130.133.4.4.MISMATCH!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
References: <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <2V%bC.222517$%a1.58398@fx35.iad> <PM000564128FA48D01@aca40a86.ipt.aol.com> <43aeaf25-249f-42c6-b590-4dc9890d1c1c@googlegroups.com> <PM0005643BABCD6267@aca42e3d.ipt.aol.com> <hfba7dtavskr85ssg6crut8hosus6ec3fd@4ax.com> <p53b0n$r5b$2@news.albasani.net>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Received: by 10.55.21.142 with SMTP id 14mr7091560qkv.18.1517655122427;        Sat, 03 Feb 2018 02:52:02 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: alt.folklore.computers@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.55.23.22 with SMTP id i22ls2265873qkh.2.gmail; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 02:52:01 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 10.55.159.203 with SMTP id i194mr8980937qke.24.1517655121586;        Sat, 03 Feb 2018 02:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!e39ni2034qtk.1!nntp.google.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!130.133.4.4.MISMATCH!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
From: Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Making Computers Secure
Date: 3 Feb 2018 10:52:00 GMT
Lines: 31
Message-ID: <fdliigFfgjjU24@mid.individual.net>
References: <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <3b1840a6-2ad7-4360-9c87-e3e8ad601ee2@googlegroups.com> <PM000563FF4B2EF298@aca401e3.ipt.aol.com> <2V%bC.222517$%a1.58398@fx35.iad> <PM000564128FA48D01@aca40a86.ipt.aol.com> <43aeaf25-249f-42c6-b590-4dc9890d1c1c@googlegroups.com> <PM0005643BABCD6267@aca42e3d.ipt.aol.com> <hfba7dtavskr85ssg6crut8hosus6ec3fd@4ax.com> <p53b0n$r5b$2@news.albasani.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
X-Trace: individual.net CBvxATRCCWc6fZPK2K8yWAlzcCdMHPtDsfkWoEkgpa3TlcfeP8
Cancel-Lock: sha1:ap2fIYHs5Hm6qzGmBfevaGUg6RA=
User-Agent: Pan/0.141 (Tarzan's Death; 168b179 git.gnome.org/pan2)
X-Received-Bytes: 2458
X-Received-Body-CRC: 908604171
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit