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FROM:    Pawel Z. Chadzynski, INTERN...@Cadence.COM

Kochana Rodzino, Przyjaciele i Rodacy,

Jest taka sprawa.  Jakis facio z Yale opublikowal na Internecie liste
zatytulowana "The Canonical List of Polish Jokes".  Troche mnie to
zdenerwowalo wiec skontaktowale sie z nim (zostawil e-mail w
opublikowanym
tekscie ale juz go wymazal z powodu protestow) zeby mu wyklarowac ze
sie
tak nie robi.  Bez rezultatow (oprocz tego ze moje nazwisko wlaczyl
na
liste dowcipow dla draki - dowcip # xxx).  Potem zkontaktowalem sie z
oficjalami z Yale.  Tez bez wiekszych rezultatow.  A wiez zaczolem
dzwonic
po polskich ambasadach, konsulatach, organizacjach zeby wszyscy
zaczeli
dzwonic, i dzwonia, i pisza.  I wlasnie dlatego pisze do was tez. 
Jesli
wedlog was sprawa ta smierdzi to macie okazje zaprotestowac.  Z
doswiadczenia wiem ze protest prosto do Yale ma wiekszy wydzwiek niz
protest do samego studenta (ktory jest Polakiem z urodzenia jak sie
okazuje).

Jesli chcecie sami zobaczy co i jak to poprostu dajcie haslo "polish"
w
NetSearch funkcji Netscape i zaraz wykoczy ten posting.  Dokladne
dane to:

web page address: 
http://zoo.cs.yale.edu:8000/~markl/home/polish-jokes.html
student: Mark Lindner, lindne...@CS.YALE.EDU
reprezentant Yale (Public Relations): Tom Conroy, 203-432-1333,
tom.c...@yale.edu

Rozsylajcie te wiadomosc do kogo tylko mozna aby akcja sie roztaczala
coraz
dalej.  Ja nawet jestem w kontakcie z reporterem z The Boston Globe
ktory
moze cos na ten temat napisze bo juz poprzednio udokumentowal podobna
sprawe na Cornell University (lista anty-kobiecych dowcipow, patrzcie
nizej, The Boston Globe, 11/10/95, str. 25).  Do niego tez mozecie
pisac:
Michael Grunwald, grun...@nws.globe.com.

Dzieki za poparcie i wesolych Swiat!
Pawel Chadzynski


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Zalaczam kopie korespondencji z Yale ktora ma wiecej detali
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List do Prezydenta


Mr. Richard Levin
President
Office of The President, Yale University
Box 208229
New Haven, CT  06520-8229

Phone: 203-432-2550
Fax:   203-432-7105


Dear Mr. Levin,

I'd like to take this opportunity to bring to your attention an
unfortunate
ethnic incident that involves both a Yale student and the Yale
facility.

Mr. Mark Lindner, an undergraduate Computer Science student at Yale,
has
decided to use Yale's computer network to publicly post on the
Internet a
list of ethnic jokes specifically targeting people of Polish decent. 
As
you know, a public Internet posting involves entry of a key word
which
allows anyone to search Internet resources by a subject.  In this
case any
user interested in researching issues relating to the "polish" is
automatically presented with Mr. Lindner's posting (just as I was
when
using Netscape search engine) under the title of "The Canonical List
of
Polish Jokes".

Naturally, I felt compelled to react since such public display of
ambivalence only perpetuates highly degrading and demeaning ethnic
stereotypes in the society in general.  It also underlines an
incredible
lack of sensitivity and unfortunate tolerance for derogatory behavior
along
the lines that: "there's nothing wrong with it because everybody
knows that
Poles are stupid."  Without going into the details of the "who did
what and
when" let me make a few specific points which I believe are
fundamental to
resolving this issue to everybody's satisfaction:

1.  The issue is not censorship of the Internet.  Internet must
remain open
to the free expression of ideas and opinions.  The issue is in taking
a
stance on any public attack that targets specific ethnic, cultural,
religious or otherwise identifiable segments of the society.  Public
display of bigotry and ethnic insensitivity demands a swift and
unequivocal
response from society in general and those affected in particular. 
After
all, freedom of speech and democracy are based on active involvement
of the
individuals on all sides of the issue.

2.  I'm not the only person that finds such public display of
arrogance
towards Polish people unacceptable.  Over the past two weeks Mr.
Lindner
was flooded with "flame" e-mail from all over the States and Europe
to a
point of having to take special precautions regarding his account.  I
believe that Mr. Thomas Conroy, Deputy Director of Public Relations
at
Yale, received many similar protests.  The issue is not if I or
anybody
else is personally offended.  The issue is how can such blatant
public
ignorance go on without a strong reaction against it.

3.  There is no question of the involvement and intentions of Mr.
Lindner.
His actions specifically single out the Polish population; he is
doing it
on a public forum; and he publicly declares "ownership" of the list
in the
list itself ("Compiled by Mark M. Lindner"), and in his Internet home
page
("In fact, I'm the official maintainer of the Canonical List of
Polish
Jokes on the rec.humor.")  In addition, upon contacting Mr. Lindner
directly through e-mail regarding this issue, I was presented with a
rather
direct and blunt response, and I quote: "...  Finally, I'd like to
let you
know that I'm going to add your name and e-mail address to my
canonical
list, because you're Polish, and you're a joke."  And sure enough, my
name
became immortalized as joke #101 on the very next day (a copy of the
joke
page and the entire text of the e-mail is enclosed for your
reference.)

4.  Although some of the jokes are clearly lighthearted and funny,
many are
down right vulgar and highly offensive.  For example:

- #5   Q: Why don't Polish woman use vibrators?  A: It chips their
teeth.
- #147 Q: Why don't Polish woman breast-feed their babies?  A: It
hurts too
much when they boil the nipples.

Pretty sad overall, wouldn't you agree?

5.  There is no question that Yale is involved.  Mr. Lindner
published his
list as a Yale student using Yale facilities.  The recent events at
Cornell
(involving a list of sexist jokes) have shown that an university
can't
distant itself from the actions of their students in such situations
(details enclosed for your reference.)

In light of all of the above, I respectfully request an official
response
from Yale's administration regarding this unfortunate event. 
Specifically,
I would like to suggest the following actions:

- Clearly articulate and communicate Yale's position regarding this
incident.  A documented position from an institution of Yale's
stature will
be much more effective for Internet community than any misguided
attempts
at defining and regulating hate speech through laws and regulations.

- Help Mr. Lindner to understand the difference between sharing jokes
among
friends versus blatant, public, and in-your-face type of
advertisement of
derogatory and demeaning ethnic slurs.  In cases like this education
is
superior to any form of punishment.

There is much good that we can derive from this incident to improve
ethnic
sensitivity in the American society.  All we need to do is to raise
above
emotions, focus on the fundamental issues and do the right thing for
Mr.
Lindner, Yale University and the Internet community.  Would you
please
help?

Lastly, I'm taking the liberty of circulating this letter among the
Internet community as a means of support and encouragement to those
that
decided to make similar protests on their own.



Sincerely,


Pawel Z. Chadzynski
e-mail: p...@cadence.com

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Sample of my e-mail exchange with Mark Lindner, the Yale student:

>Newsgroups: rec.humor
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 03:24:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: The Magic Friend <lindne...@CS.YALE.EDU>
>To: "Pawel Z. Chadzynski" <pzc>
>Subject: Re: The Canonical List of Polish Jokes
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>On Mon, 27 Nov 1995, Pawel Z. Chadzynski wrote:
>
>> Freedom of expression is great but there are rules that societies do live
>> by and you just crossed one of them.  Let me just point out the recent case
>> of Cornell students, their list of feminine jokes published over the
>> internet and the resulting "publicity" in the news papers.  I don't see
>> much difference between that and what you are doing and I do intent to
>> pursue this until it is resolved appropriately.
>
>Your problem boils down to a violation of one of the Satanic Rules of the
>Earth, which I try to live by, though I'm not Satanist in any sense. The
>rule states:  "Do not complain about anything to which you need not
>subject yourself."  Since no one is trying to spoon-feed the Polish jokes
>to you, I see no justification whatsoever for your complaint.
>
>And personally, I don't give a damn if a bunch of stupid people (like
>those who write newspapers) give publicity to some students who published
>a list of "feminine jokes" on the internet. They're not the first ones to
>do something like this, and they won't be the last. Maybe those half-ass
>reporters don't have anything better to write about.
>
>Since you are so set against smut on the internet, I am surprised that
>you don't lobby against all of the other canonical joke lists. What about
>Blonde jokes? I would venture to guess that they also violate your
>imaginary "rules of society." What about the Penthouse homepage or
>Bianca's Smut Shack? There's material there that's certainly worse than
>the Polish Jokes, but I guess they don't bother you as much. Maybe you
>browse those when you're bored and don't have any Polish jokes to bitch
>about or Cadence software to debug.
>
>> Unless off course you take the materials off the net and apologies through
>> the same media.
>
>No chance. I have nothing to apologize for, and I'm certainly not going
>to bow down to suit your particular (anal) morals.
>
>I hope it is clear to you that short of getting legislature to pass a law
>against the posting of collections of jokes on public forums, there is no
>way you're going to resolve this to your satisfaction.
>
>And let me point out that the disclaimer at the top of my list
>specifically states that I do NOT want to be flamed by people who are
>offended by the jokes. You are lucky that I'm taking the time to actually
>respond to your rantings rather than tossing your email directly in the bit
>bucket where it belongs.
>
>The greatest thing about the internet is that it's an open forum where
>everyone can speak their mind. It's assholes who complain incessantly
>about things that they are "offended by" (you're offended? why the hell do
>you read it then?), and they feel compelled to decide for society as a
>whole what should be publically accessible and what shouldn't. There is a
>lot of material on the Internet that makes me pretty sick and disgusted, but
>I don't bitch and moan about it, because I can easily avoid it.
>
>Finally, I'd like to let you know that I'm going to add your name and
>email address to my canonical list, because you're Polish, and you're a joke.
>
>Cheers!
>Mark
>

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My e-mail exchange with Tom Conroy, Yale PR representative:


>Date: 4 Dec 1995 12:31:42 -0500
>From: "Thomas Conroy" <tom.c...@yale.edu>
>Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Hate Speach
>To: "Pawel Z. Chadzynski" <pzc>
>
>        Reply to:   RE>Anti-Polish Hate Speach at Yale
>
>I received your message.  Thank you.
>
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>Date: 12/4/95 11:22 AM
>To: Thomas Conroy
>From: Pawel Z. Chadzynski
>Hello,
>
>As I promised, attached is a copy of the Cornell's statement on their hate
>speech incident.  Please note the disturbing differences/similarities to
>the case of the "Canonical List of Polish Jokes" published by Mark
>Lindener, a Yale student, on the Internet.  Please acknowledge via e-mail
>receipt of this message as a means of verifying that I do have your correct
>address.
>
>As we discussed over the phone, I'd like to help Mark to understand that
>what he is doing is not right since perpetuation of hateful and negative
>ethnic stereotypes leads directly to racism and bigotry.  In addition, the
>Canonical List should be taken off the Internet immediately.  It would also
>help a great deal to have Yale evaluate Mark's actions from the perspective
>of Yale's Campus Code of Conduct and issue an official statement on the
>incident.
>
>Hope to hear from you soon.
>
>Thanks,
>Pawel Z. Chadzynski
>
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