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12 total messages Started by Hubert Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:02
Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33062
Author: Hubert
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:02
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    Witam serdecznie,

Sorry za małego crossposta, ale sprawa jest dosyć nietypowa i muszę 
przyznać, że nie wiedziałem, dla której z wybranych przeze mnie grup 
jest bardziej właściwa, więc bardzo proszę o "rozpatrzenie" mojej 
sprawy. :-)

Mianowicie: bardzo chciałbym mieć możliwość zamieniania tonów niskich z 
wysokimi w pliku *.WAV (ewent. w pliku dźwiękowym innego formatu) w 
taki sposób, aby uzyskać plik wyjściowy taki, jak kodowany dźwięk w 
dawnym Canal+ analogowym lub z powrotem zmienić go na normalny dźwięk 
(dekodować).
Jaki program potrafiłby to zrobić automatycznie? (tzn. jako jedną 
operację, bez "sztukowania") :-)

Pozdrawiam Grupę

        Hubert

P.s.: Powyższe zamierzam wykorzystać wyłącznie do nauki i zabawy. :) 
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33063
Author: Mariusz Kruk
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:53
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epsilon$ while read LINE; do echo "$LINE"; done < "Hubert"
>Mianowicie: bardzo chciałbym mieć możliwość zamieniania tonów niskich z 
>wysokimi w pliku *.WAV (ewent. w pliku dźwiękowym innego formatu) w 
>taki sposób, aby uzyskać plik wyjściowy taki, jak kodowany dźwięk w 
>dawnym Canal+ analogowym lub z powrotem zmienić go na normalny dźwięk 
>(dekodować).

Co to znaczy "zamieniania tonów niskich z wysokimi"? Jak to sobie
wyobrażasz?

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Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33064
Author: Bonawentura
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:11
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Witam!
Ja zrozumiałem z wypowiedzi Huberta, że chodzi o coś (program) 
działający jak skrambler, który jest używany defakto do "maskowania" 
sygnału mowy w torach fonicznych np. radiotelefonów. Wtedy tylko osoby 
posiadające te kodery/dekodery będą się rozumiały, dla pozostałych 
użytkowników sygnał jest "zamaskowany" czyli niezrozumiały. Kodowanie 
sygnałów analogowych odbywa się najczęściej poprzez właśnie inwersję 
pasma (zamiana niskich i wysokich tonów - tak było w pytaniu). 
Dokładniej jest to skrambler o zmiennym podziale pasma (Variable 
Split-Band). Jest to dokładniej wyjaśnione w EP9/96.
Układ elektroniczny który to realizuje to np FX224.
Pozdrawiam. Mariusz.
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33065
Author: Hubert
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:08
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Użytkownik "Bonawentura" <bonawentura2@o2.pl> napisał w wiadomości 
news:fma77o$fin$1@news2.task.gda.pl...
> pasma (zamiana niskich i wysokich tonów - tak było w pytaniu). 
> Dokładniej jest to skrambler o zmiennym podziale pasma (Variable 
> Split-Band). Jest to dokładniej wyjaśnione w EP9/96.
> Układ elektroniczny który to realizuje to np FX224.
Serdeczne dzięki za odpowiedź! Dokładnie o to chodziło! Przyznam 
jednak, że trudno mi będzie na tej podstawie znaleźć konkretny program, 
dlatego proszę uprzejmie o jego nazwę. :)

> Pozdrawiam. Mariusz.
Pozdrawiam,
    Hubert
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33066
Author: Hubert
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:59
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Użytkownik "Bonawentura" <bonawentura2@o2.pl> napisał w wiadomości 
news:fma77o$fin$1@news2.task.gda.pl...
> Układ elektroniczny który to realizuje to np FX224.
A jeśli nie ma programu, tylko sprzęt, to prosiłbym z kolei o link, pod 
którym mógłbym takie urządzenie kupić. Może być zagraniczny, byle 
przysyłali do Polski i można zapłacić kartą przez Internet.

> Pozdrawiam. Mariusz.
Pozdrawiam,
    Hubert
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33070
Author: Mariusz Kruk
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:55
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epsilon$ while read LINE; do echo "$LINE"; done < "Bonawentura"
>Dokładniej jest to skrambler o zmiennym podziale pasma (Variable 
>Split-Band). Jest to dokładniej wyjaśnione w EP9/96.
>Układ elektroniczny który to realizuje to np FX224.

Hmm... doczytałem sobie o tym FX214/FX224 i widzę, że on robi podział
pasma i modulację osobno każdej części na różnych nośnych. Tylko nie do
końca rozumiem jaką modulację.

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Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33067
Author: Bonawentura
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:49
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Dnia 12-01-2008 18:59, Użytkownik Hubert napisał:

> A jeśli nie ma programu, tylko sprzęt, to prosiłbym z kolei o link, pod 
> którym mógłbym takie urządzenie kupić. Może być zagraniczny, byle 
> przysyłali do Polski i można zapłacić kartą przez Internet.

Pytasz - masz: http://www.ascom.com.pl/produkty_pl/omnisec_pl.htm
Ale czy to się opłaca do "zabawy i w celach poznawczych"?
Pozdrawiam. Mariusz.
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33069
Author: Hubert
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:39
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Użytkownik "Bonawentura" <bonawentura2@o2.pl> napisał w wiadomości
news:fmcmo1$fqj$1@news2.task.gda.pl...
> Dnia 12-01-2008 18:59, Użytkownik Hubert napisał:
> Pytasz - masz: http://www.ascom.com.pl/produkty_pl/omnisec_pl.htm
Serdecznie dziękuję! Bardzo mi pomogłeś!

> Ale czy to się opłaca do "zabawy i w celach poznawczych"?
Zależy, jaka cena :-)

> Pozdrawiam. Mariusz.
Pozdrawiam,
    Hubert
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33071
Author: Hubert
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:10
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because
they have an inward disposition entirely holy, and all that they hear of our
religion conforms to it. They feel that a God has made them; they desire
only to love God; they desire to hate themselves only. They feel that they
have no strength in themselves; that they are incapable of coming to God;
and that if God does not come to them, they can have no communion with Him.
And they hear our religion say that men must love God only, and hate self
only; but that, all being corrupt and unworthy of God, God made Himself man
to unite Himself to us. No more is required to persuade men who have this
disposition in their heart, and who have this knowledge of their duty and of
their inefficiency.

287. Those whom we see to be Christians without the knowledge of the
prophets and evidences, nevertheless judge of their religion as well as
those who have that knowledge. They judge of it by the heart, as others
judge of it by the intellect. God himself inclines them to believe, and thus
they are most effectively convinced.

I confess indeed that one of those Christians who believe without proofs
will not, perhaps, be capable of convincing an infidel who will say the same
of himself. But those who know the proofs of religion will prove without
difficulty that such a believer is truly inspired by God, though he cannot
prove it h
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33073
Author: Hubert
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:10
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such a manner as
cannot be perfectly expressed after them. Their sense of their exceeding
littleness and vileness, and their disposition to abase themselves
before God, has appeared to be great in proportion to their light and
joy.

Such persons amongst us as have been thus distinguished with the most
extraordinary discoveries, have commonly nowise appeared with the
assuming, self-conceited, and self-sufficient airs of enthusiasts, but
exceedingly the contrary. They are eminent for a spirit of meekness,
modesty, self-diffidence, and a low opinion of themselves. No persons
appear so sensible of their need of instruction and so eager to receive
it, as some of them; nor so ready to think others better than
themselves. Those that have been considered as converted amongst us,
have generally manifested a longing to lie low and in the dust before
God; withal complaining of their not being able to lie low enough.

They speak much of their sense of excellency in the way of salvation by
free and sovereign grace, through the righteousness of Christ alone; and
how it is with delight that they renounce their own righteousness, and
rejoice in having no account made of it. Many have expressed themselves
to this purpose, that it would lessen the satisfaction they hope for in
heaven to have it by their own righteousness, or in any other way than
as bestowed by free grace, and for Christ's sake alone. They speak much
of the inexpressibleness of what they experience, how their words fail,
so that they cannot declare it. And particularly they speak with
exceeding admiration of the superlative excellency of that pleasure and
delight which they 
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33068
Author: Hubert
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:55
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against loving them, with the command to
worship God only, and to love Him only, which is the same thing, and,
finally, that the Messiah came not for them; whereas those who therein seek
God find Him, without any contradiction, with the command to love Him only,
and that the Messiah came in the time foretold, to give them the blessings
which they ask.

Thus the Jews had miracles and prophecies, which they saw fulfilled, and the
teaching of their law was to worship and love God only; it was also
perpetual. Thus it had all the marks of the true religion; and so it was.
But the Jewish teaching must be distinguished from the teaching of the
Jewish law. Now the Jewish teaching was not true, although it had miracles
and prophecy and perpetuity, because it had not this other point of
worshipping and loving God only.

676. The veil, which is upon these books for the Jews, is there also for
evil Christians and for all who do not hate themselves.

But how well disposed men are to understand them and to know Jesus Christ,
when they truly hate themselves!

677. A type conveys absence and presence, pleasure and pain.

A cipher has a double meaning, one clear and one in which it is said that
the meaning is hidden.

678. Types.--A portrait conveys absence and presence, pleasure and pain. The
reality excludes absence and pain.

To know if the law and the sacrifices are a reality or a type, we must see
if the prophets, in speaking of these things, confined their view and their
thought to them, so that they saw only the old covenant; or if they saw
therein something else of which they were the representation, for in a
portrait we see the thing figured. For this we need only examine what they
say of them.

When they say that it will be eternal, do th
Re: Zamiana tonów niskich z wysokimi
#33072
Author: Hubert
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:47
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question in
philosophy; but not here, where it concerns your all. And yet, after a
trifling reflection of this kind, we go to amuse ourselves, etc. Let us
inquire of this same religion whether it does not give a reason for this
obscurity; perhaps it will teach it to us.

227. Order by dialogues.--What ought I to do? I see only darkness
everywhere. Shall I believe I am nothing? Shall I believe I am God?

"All things change and succeed each other." You are mistaken; there is...

228. Objection of atheists: "But we have no light."

229. This is what I see and what troubles me. I look on all sides, and I see
only darkness everywhere. Nature presents to me nothing which is not matter
of doubt and concern. If I saw nothing there which revealed a Divinity, I
would come to a negative conclusion; if I saw everywhere the signs of a
Creator, I would remain peacefully in faith. But, seeing too much to deny
and too little to be sure, I am in a state to be pitied; wherefore I have a
hundred times wished that if a God maintains Nature, she should testify to
Him unequivocally, and
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