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Are you going to get your jollies watching this thread grow and grow?

Figure it out yourself you twat.


"Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
>
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
>
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
>
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
>
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
>
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> easy to pop a game in and just play.
>
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
>
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
like
> me.
>
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
that
> gets pricey.
>
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games on
> the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
proper
> controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
xbox
> i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
>
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
>
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.
>
>


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The Xbox is a FAR better deal, considering that card is not much faster than
what you already have and is not the bottleneck in your system. You won't
see a $300 improvement, but the Xbox opens up completely new aveneus for you
and you probably won't bother with your PC after using the Xbox.



"Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
>
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
>
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
>
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
>
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
>
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> easy to pop a game in and just play.
>
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
>
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
like
> me.
>
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
that
> gets pricey.
>
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games on
> the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
proper
> controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
xbox
> i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
>
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
>
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.
>
>

"joe" <j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZQ98b.439886$4UE.416956@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Are you going to get your jollies watching this thread grow and grow?
>

Nope joe, i hope i will find people that arent going to act like a prick who
can give me their advice based on which direction (console or pc) they have
gone.

> Figure it out yourself you twat.
>

I love usenet. Its full of so many nice peole ;-)

>
> "Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> > I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
current
> > system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
> >
> > My current pc is:
> > Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> > Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> > 512 megs pc2100 ram
> >
> > I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> > about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for
the
> > exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> > halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> > I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> >
> > of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> >
> > What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
for
> > the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
> buy
> > the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> > because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
> >
> > If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> > easy to pop a game in and just play.
> >
> > If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> > systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> >
> > If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> > doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
> like
> > me.
> >
> > If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
> that
> > gets pricey.
> >
> > Please, give me some advice.
> > I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
on
> > the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
> proper
> > controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
> xbox
> > i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> >
> > Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> > future?
> >
> > oh boy, so many questions.
> > Thanks.
> > Steven.
> >
> >
>
>
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"Pug Fugley2" <no...@not.com> wrote in message
news:c5a8b.498$u07.31@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> The Xbox is a FAR better deal, considering that card is not much faster
than
> what you already have and is not the bottleneck in your system. You won't
> see a $300 improvement, but the Xbox opens up completely new aveneus for
you
> and you probably won't bother with your PC after using the Xbox.
>

Yeah, i am interested in people's opinions on how much of an improvement i
might see from that card. its a pain in the butt unless you find someone who
went the same route as you and can give you some real life performance
numbers.
The 9600 inst FASTER by much, but it is a dx9 card. Of course, the xbox is
Dx8, but coders seem to get some incredible gfx from it (see the realtime
movie for HALO2 that was shown at e3).

If i plunk down money for the new card, i can get games and demos for free
basically, and dont have to worry about buying junk (i can try and buy), but
i see more and more games at pawnshops for the xbox, so i guess i can always
go that route, and get good games at about $40 canadian, which is a really
great deal if you think of it.
And this way i know I really WANT a game if i plunk cash down for it, as
opposed to demos and crap on the pc.

Thanks for your imput btw.

-Steven.

>
>
> "Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> > I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
current
> > system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
> >
> > My current pc is:
> > Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> > Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> > 512 megs pc2100 ram
> >
> > I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> > about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for
the
> > exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> > halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> > I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> >
> > of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> >
> > What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
for
> > the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
> buy
> > the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> > because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
> >
> > If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> > easy to pop a game in and just play.
> >
> > If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> > systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> >
> > If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> > doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
> like
> > me.
> >
> > If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
> that
> > gets pricey.
> >
> > Please, give me some advice.
> > I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
on
> > the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
> proper
> > controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
> xbox
> > i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> >
> > Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> > future?
> >
> > oh boy, so many questions.
> > Thanks.
> > Steven.
> >
> >
>
>

"Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
>
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
>

The 9600 Pro will complement the system nicely.  I would go for the card,
grab Halo for PC and pick up an XBox when Halo 2 comes out.  If you do
decide to get the XBox check out gamefly.com.  They are actually pretty good
and cheap.  PC has so many good titles coming out that I would definitely
get the card:  Half-Life 2, Doom3, Halo, not to mention classics like BF
1942, Warcraft,  Generals, so on and so forth.

-Joe

I just went through this same dilemma and I bought an Xbox and have not
regretted it at all. I have a AMD 1800+ XP and a GeForce FX 5200 and I can
still play most games that I want on the PC and I can get all those great
games that come out for the XBox as well.


--
Rob Berryhill



"Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
>
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
>
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
>
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
>
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
>
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> easy to pop a game in and just play.
>
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
>
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
like
> me.
>
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
that
> gets pricey.
>
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games on
> the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
proper
> controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
xbox
> i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
>
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
>
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.
>
>

"Pug Fugley2" <no...@not.com> wrote in
news:c5a8b.498$u07...@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net: 

> 
> The Xbox is a FAR better deal, considering that card is not much
> faster than what you already have and is not the bottleneck in your
> system. You won't see a $300 improvement, but the Xbox opens up
> completely new aveneus for you and you probably won't bother with your
> PC after using the Xbox. 
> 
> 


My 9600pro perfoms a lot better then my TI200 oc too TI500 and it can be 
overclocked too but it can not play xbox-games. When you buy an Xbox you'll 
get much more chips but you can't play PC-games. I like my PC.

> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next
> console systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?

consoles have never been about technology.  The best systems always have 
the best games.  In your situation I would only consider what kind of 
gaming environment I would want.  

I have an Xbox but it only gets pulled out when buddies come over.  NHL 
with 3 friends is alot of fun. When i'm alone I only play on the internet 
with my computer.  
Halo is a great game and has plenty of replayability, but IMHO it is no 
Half-Life and only on par with Doom or Doom2.  It's multiplayer is pretty 
sad unless your only mulitplayer experience is with 007 on the N64.

Is your PC *that* slow when playing games? I have a P4 2.4GHz machine with a
GeForce 2 MX 32 (!) in it....and I can play everything I want to
perfectly....

I used to have an AMD TBird 1.2Ghz in it, and could still play
everything....maybe not at huge resolutions....but never got discouraged
from playing a game....

That said, I would pick up an XBox if I were in your position. It is a pain
to have to buy games. But, I've found ebay is a good source for half price
games.

Gaming just feels better on a console to me. You know you're on an even
playing field. Everyone has the same system, same controller.....If you
suck, you know it's you and not your framerate keeping you down. Plus XBox
games look the best out of all the consoles and as good if not better than
their PC counterparts. I prefer XBox graphics....PC monitors show too much
detail, and then I start getting picky.....



"Steven C (Doktersteve)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
>
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
>
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
>
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
>
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i
buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
>
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> easy to pop a game in and just play.
>
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
>
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy
like
> me.
>
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram.
that
> gets pricey.
>
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games on
> the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a
proper
> controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an
xbox
> i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
>
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
>
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.
>
>

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84>...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
> 
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
> 
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> 
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> 
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
> 
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but its
> easy to pop a game in and just play.
> 
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next console
> systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> 
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2 and
> doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for a guy like
> me.
> 
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and ram. that
> gets pricey.
> 
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games on
> the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have a proper
> controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if i had an xbox
> i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> 
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
> 
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.

I'd say get a PS2 and get more bang for your buck but if the Xbox is
the console of choice for you I'd defeinitly advise going w/ it over a
video card especially condiering it'll drop in price faster tha the
console will. By the way late 2005 is when we'll see the next gen
consoles, mark my words.

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84: 

> or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get
> the xbox, halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> 
Toy R Us here in Calgary is selling the Adrenaline pack for $268.

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84>...
> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my current
> system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or two.
> 
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
> 
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs at
> about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft for the
> exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get the xbox,
> halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> 
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> 
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends for
> the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big release, so i buy
> the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont (please, no flames
> because of this, i am still a "poor" student type person).
[snip]

Given your financial predicament, I would go with the Xbox route, even
though from a personal standpoint, I'm 90% a pc gamer and 10% a
console gamer. If you had more money to play with, then the pc route
would make more sense. Even after getting a 9600pro, IMO, you would
need a MB/CPU upgrade at the very least sometime over the next year.
So at least on the hardware side, the console route figures to be much
cheaper.

And depending on what means you plan to acquire games for either the
Xbox or the PC, it can be very cheap, or very expensive for either.

Terence

I made that decision and went with the Xbox, very happy and have the best of
both worlds. My XP 1800+ Athlon and GF 4600 plays all the latest games with
full eye candy. My PC for flight sims, and Xbox for racing games...

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84: 

> I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
> current system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or
> two. 
> 
> My current pc is:
> Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> 512 megs pc2100 ram
> 
> I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs
> at about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft
> for the exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get
> the xbox, halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> 
> of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> 
> What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
> for the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big
> release, so i buy the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont
> (please, no flames because of this, i am still a "poor" student type
> person). 
> 
> If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but
> its easy to pop a game in and just play.
> 
> If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next
> console systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> 
> If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2
> and doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for
> a guy like me.
> 
> If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and
> ram. that gets pricey.
> 
> Please, give me some advice.
> I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
> on the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have
> a proper controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if
> i had an xbox i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> 
> Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> future?
> 
> oh boy, so many questions.
> Thanks.
> Steven.
> 
> 

I think the issue is more simple than you think here...Just think for
what purpose use your pc at first.Then realize that the pc upgrades and
the consoles not...The new Radeon vcard sure is expensive (I will not
definetily bought one except if I had business with graphics) but think
that when Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or whatever...realize that they
must rise their technology you will have to buy a new console.Offcourse
this is dilema that console gamers have, I don't know if you are a
console gamer.I was, back in the SNes days and let me tell you I had a
great time then and now with the Znes emulator.But no way, I will not
enter the console thing again.But you will probably think that 'yes he's
an adventure gamer (like the most people here) so the pc fits him.',
that's what the history tells at least. 
Well, the choise is yours...


Akis and his AiRNESS

St.George Patron of the light who hunts the shadow of the night
upon my blood I call thee now, purify me, for I avow
to set my feet upon thy road, thy sword I take up for mine own...

"The Foam Finger Guy" wrote
> I'd say get a PS2 and get more bang for your buck

Please point out in his post/subject where he inquired about the PS2?

No brainer.. upgrade your PC...

The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is small
compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription costs for the
Live service, and you still only have a console good for only gaming...
instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it, each time replacing
the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better investment
than just a console...

IMHO anyways..

Ax.


"AiRNESS" <air...@freemail.gr> wrote in message
news:Xns93F5223559914airnessfreemailgr@194.177.210.210...
> "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84:
>
> > I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
> > current system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or
> > two.
> >
> > My current pc is:
> > Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> > Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> > 512 megs pc2100 ram
> >
> > I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs
> > at about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft
> > for the exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get
> > the xbox, halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> > I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> >
> > of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> >
> > What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
> > for the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big
> > release, so i buy the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont
> > (please, no flames because of this, i am still a "poor" student type
> > person).
> >
> > If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but
> > its easy to pop a game in and just play.
> >
> > If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next
> > console systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> >
> > If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2
> > and doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for
> > a guy like me.
> >
> > If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and
> > ram. that gets pricey.
> >
> > Please, give me some advice.
> > I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
> > on the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have
> > a proper controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if
> > i had an xbox i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> >
> > Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> > future?
> >
> > oh boy, so many questions.
> > Thanks.
> > Steven.
> >
> >
>
> I think the issue is more simple than you think here...Just think for
> what purpose use your pc at first.Then realize that the pc upgrades and
> the consoles not...The new Radeon vcard sure is expensive (I will not
> definetily bought one except if I had business with graphics) but think
> that when Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or whatever...realize that they
> must rise their technology you will have to buy a new console.Offcourse
> this is dilema that console gamers have, I don't know if you are a
> console gamer.I was, back in the SNes days and let me tell you I had a
> great time then and now with the Znes emulator.But no way, I will not
> enter the console thing again.But you will probably think that 'yes he's
> an adventure gamer (like the most people here) so the pc fits him.',
> that's what the history tells at least.
> Well, the choise is yours...
>
>
> Akis and his AiRNESS
>
> St.George Patron of the light who hunts the shadow of the night
> upon my blood I call thee now, purify me, for I avow
> to set my feet upon thy road, thy sword I take up for mine own...

Holy Cow!
Just noticed this thread. Someone must have dragged it up from Google
groups.
Thanks for your opinion, it is appreciated.

Steven.

"Axi0n" <slee...@yourmoms.pl> wrote in message
news:ahIfb.6534$Tu2.906311@news20.bellglobal.com...
> No brainer.. upgrade your PC...
>
> The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is small
> compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription costs for
the
> Live service, and you still only have a console good for only gaming...
> instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it, each time
replacing
> the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
> overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better investment
> than just a console...
>
> IMHO anyways..
>
> Ax.
>
>
> "AiRNESS" <air...@freemail.gr> wrote in message
> news:Xns93F5223559914airnessfreemailgr@194.177.210.210...
> > "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84:
> >
> > > I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
> > > current system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or
> > > two.
> > >
> > > My current pc is:
> > > Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> > > Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> > > 512 megs pc2100 ram
> > >
> > > I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs
> > > at about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft
> > > for the exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get
> > > the xbox, halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> > > I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> > >
> > > of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> > >
> > > What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
> > > for the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big
> > > release, so i buy the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont
> > > (please, no flames because of this, i am still a "poor" student type
> > > person).
> > >
> > > If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but
> > > its easy to pop a game in and just play.
> > >
> > > If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next
> > > console systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> > >
> > > If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2
> > > and doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for
> > > a guy like me.
> > >
> > > If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and
> > > ram. that gets pricey.
> > >
> > > Please, give me some advice.
> > > I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
> > > on the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have
> > > a proper controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if
> > > i had an xbox i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> > >
> > > Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> > > future?
> > >
> > > oh boy, so many questions.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Steven.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I think the issue is more simple than you think here...Just think for
> > what purpose use your pc at first.Then realize that the pc upgrades and
> > the consoles not...The new Radeon vcard sure is expensive (I will not
> > definetily bought one except if I had business with graphics) but think
> > that when Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or whatever...realize that they
> > must rise their technology you will have to buy a new console.Offcourse
> > this is dilema that console gamers have, I don't know if you are a
> > console gamer.I was, back in the SNes days and let me tell you I had a
> > great time then and now with the Znes emulator.But no way, I will not
> > enter the console thing again.But you will probably think that 'yes he's
> > an adventure gamer (like the most people here) so the pc fits him.',
> > that's what the history tells at least.
> > Well, the choise is yours...
> >
> >
> > Akis and his AiRNESS
> >
> > St.George Patron of the light who hunts the shadow of the night
> > upon my blood I call thee now, purify me, for I avow
> > to set my feet upon thy road, thy sword I take up for mine own...
>
>

"Axi0n" <slee...@yourmoms.pl> wrote in message
news:ahIfb.6534$Tu2.906311@news20.bellglobal.com...
> No brainer.. upgrade your PC...
>
> The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is small
> compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription costs for
the
> Live service, and you still only have a console good for only gaming...
> instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it, each time
replacing
> the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
> overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better investment
> than just a console...
>
> IMHO anyways..
>
> Ax.
>


Despite some of the strange problems I sometimes come across with the PC, I
always find myself coming back for more.  I've been using PC's for twelve
and half years now already since abandoning the Atari and am glad I've stuck
with it.  Console systems are cool in certain respects, but I have a certain
devotion to PC gaming.  I could mention the merits of both sides, but I
don't intend to turn this into a PC versus Console war - I prefer to be
agnostic.  Whatever turns your crank is what's best.

I would opt for the PC.  It's always upgradeable, it's storage capacity and
flexibility is it's strength, and quite frankly, games look better and play
better on a good PC.  If you want you can always be on the cutting edge with
a PC.  With the Playstation or XBox the technology gets old real fast.

JK

"Axi0n" <slee...@yourmoms.pl> wrote in message
news:ahIfb.6534$Tu2.906311@news20.bellglobal.com...
> No brainer.. upgrade your PC...
>
> The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is small
> compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription costs for
the
> Live service, and you still only have a console good for only gaming...
> instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it, each time
replacing
> the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
> overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better investment
> than just a console...
>
> IMHO anyways..
>
> Ax.
>
>
> "AiRNESS" <air...@freemail.gr> wrote in message
> news:Xns93F5223559914airnessfreemailgr@194.177.210.210...
> > "Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:RE98b.115836$kW.109566@edtnps84:
> >
> > > I am on a budget for gaming, and i would like to either upgrade my
> > > current system, or get a console to play games on the the next year or
> > > two.
> > >
> > > My current pc is:
> > > Athlon xp1800+ (1.5ghz)
> > > Geforce 3ti 200 (overclocked to ti500 speeds)
> > > 512 megs pc2100 ram
> > >
> > > I am looking at getting a saphire radeon 9600pro card. This card runs
> > > at about $239.00 canadian, i can get an xbox refurbished by microsoft
> > > for the exact same price, or i can go with the adrenaline pack and get
> > > the xbox, halo, and amped for about $279 canadian without taxes.
> > > I wouldnt really play amped, but i would play halo.
> > >
> > > of course, halo will be out on pc this year.
> > >
> > > What is more worth my money? Really, i get alot of games from friends
> > > for the pc. i buy as much as i cant, but cant afford every big
> > > release, so i buy the ones i like, and sort of borrow the ones i dont
> > > (please, no flames because of this, i am still a "poor" student type
> > > person).
> > >
> > > If i go xbox, i have to consisder software. There is less of it, but
> > > its easy to pop a game in and just play.
> > >
> > > If i get the xbox, how outdated will it be by the time the next
> > > console systems come out (in 2006 it seems now)?
> > >
> > > If i get the radeon 9600, will i be able to even PLAY games like hl2
> > > and doom3 properly? or will those games be better out on the xbox for
> > > a guy like me.
> > >
> > > If i stay with pc, i will have to keep upgrading the cpu, hdd, and
> > > ram. that gets pricey.
> > >
> > > Please, give me some advice.
> > > I play alot of FPS games, but that is because i dont like sports games
> > > on the pc, i do play them occasionally on my gamecube, because i have
> > > a proper controller on that console. I would play mroe sports games if
> > > i had an xbox i imagine, i am thinking of the sega sports titles here.
> > >
> > > Are there that many xbox exclusive games out there? what about in the
> > > future?
> > >
> > > oh boy, so many questions.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Steven.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I think the issue is more simple than you think here...Just think for
> > what purpose use your pc at first.Then realize that the pc upgrades and
> > the consoles not...The new Radeon vcard sure is expensive (I will not
> > definetily bought one except if I had business with graphics) but think
> > that when Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or whatever...realize that they
> > must rise their technology you will have to buy a new console.Offcourse
> > this is dilema that console gamers have, I don't know if you are a
> > console gamer.I was, back in the SNes days and let me tell you I had a
> > great time then and now with the Znes emulator.But no way, I will not
> > enter the console thing again.But you will probably think that 'yes he's
> > an adventure gamer (like the most people here) so the pc fits him.',
> > that's what the history tells at least.
> > Well, the choise is yours...
> >
> >
> > Akis and his AiRNESS
> >
> > St.George Patron of the light who hunts the shadow of the night
> > upon my blood I call thee now, purify me, for I avow
> > to set my feet upon thy road, thy sword I take up for mine own...
>
>

"Axi0n" <slee...@yourmoms.pl> wrote in message
news:ahIfb.6534$Tu2.906311@news20.bellglobal.com...
> No brainer.. upgrade your PC...
>
> The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is small
> compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription costs for
the
> Live service, and you still only have a console good for only gaming...
> instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it, each time
replacing
> the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
> overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better investment
> than just a console...
>
> IMHO anyways..

Welcome to last month.

> "Axi0n" <slee...@yourmoms.pl> wrote in message
> news:ahIfb.6534$Tu2.906311@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> No brainer.. upgrade your PC...
>>
>> The small headaches with PC's drivers, differing hardware, etc, is
>> small compared to the expenses of buying console games, subscription
>> costs for 
> the
>> Live service, and you still only have a console good for only
>> gaming... instead take the money and put like $200 a year into it,
>> each time 
> replacing
>> the slowest bottleneck in your system... eventually you will have to
>> overhaul to a completely new system but it is likely a better
>> investment than just a console...
>>
>> IMHO anyways..
>>
>> Ax.

The above was precisely the reason why I bought a console.

Buy a console, then upgrade your PC - since a PC is always in need on 
constant upgrade to keep up with the latest versions and power requirments 
of buggy software/games.  With a console, only upgrade is when a new 
console comes out every 3-5 years now.  Its alot more portable, and only 
needs a TV to hook up to.  

"Steven C \(Doktersteve\)" <real_dok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bBa8b.85900$_5.15...@news1.telusplanet.net>...
> "Pug Fugley2" <no...@not.com> wrote in message
> news:c5a8b.498$u07.31@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
> > The Xbox is a FAR better deal, considering that card is not much faster
>  than
> > what you already have and is not the bottleneck in your system. You won't
> > see a $300 improvement, but the Xbox opens up completely new aveneus for
>  you
> > and you probably won't bother with your PC after using the Xbox.
> >
> 
> Yeah, i am interested in people's opinions on how much of an improvement i
> might see from that card. its a pain in the butt unless you find someone who
> went the same route as you and can give you some real life performance
> numbers.
> The 9600 inst FASTER by much, but it is a dx9 card. Of course, the xbox is
> Dx8, but coders seem to get some incredible gfx from it (see the realtime
> movie for HALO2 that was shown at e3).

Yeah, well the thing is, the XBox has two things going for it re.
graphic speeds. First, the resolution is low(ish) and second, the
system is designed for optimum use of its components, something which
many PC's (especially upgraded ones) aren't.

I've played Halo on the Xbox and I've played Halo on a PC (2,6 GHz
with Geforce4Ti200, 1 gig ram), and I prefer the Xbox version simply
because it is smoother on the console than on the PC (which it
shouldn't be, given the much faster hardware that's in my PC).

There's also the matter of the controller, which is a lot more fun to
use when playing than a keyboard. That said, I still play stuff like
Civ3 and Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 on my PC, and I can't really imagine
those kind of games as Xbox ports.

> If i plunk down money for the new card, i can get games and demos for free
> basically, and dont have to worry about buying junk (i can try and buy), but
> i see more and more games at pawnshops for the xbox, so i guess i can always
> go that route, and get good games at about $40 canadian, which is a really
> great deal if you think of it.
> And this way i know I really WANT a game if i plunk cash down for it, as
> opposed to demos and crap on the pc.

True. $40 canadian ain't bad for a good Xbox games, and there are some
really good ones out there now. :)

/vic

yes, go for the R9600Pro card!
I have similar situation like you earlier this year. I saw a lot of
new
games come out only on the game consoles (PS2, XBOX and GC) then I
decided
to buy a PS2 and will not upgrade my video card for the next few years
untill PS2 is out of date. But I was wrong. 
PS2/XB are good consoles and I enjoied them for a couple of months
But with more and more new PC games coming out, such as HL2, Doom3 and
many other real time strategy games, I have to give up investing on
the
game console for few reasons:
1. for FPS games, you have to have a mouse.
2. for games like AOE, WarcraftIII, PC is the only way to go
3. for internet games, PC has far more titles available
4. for better sound effect, I would not say XBox can compete with my
Creative SB Live.
5. you can download game demos before you buy it.
6. you can get patches for the game titles you purchased. no one game
has no bugs.
Now I had spent another few hundred dollars for a new ATI R9800 card.
That's the gaming life.. 
Trident9440 :)


"Joe" <lin...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<1yWdnU0-MeJ...@comcast.com>...
> 
> The 9600 Pro will complement the system nicely.  I would go for the card,
> grab Halo for PC and pick up an XBox when Halo 2 comes out.  If you do
> decide to get the XBox check out gamefly.com.  They are actually pretty good
> and cheap.  PC has so many good titles coming out that I would definitely
> get the card:  Half-Life 2, Doom3, Halo, not to mention classics like BF
> 1942, Warcraft,  Generals, so on and so forth.
> 
> -Joe

In article <eb038260.03100...@posting.google.com>, Trident9440 wrote:
> 1. for FPS games, you have to have a mouse.

False.

If you are competing against other mousers, then this is true but
since you aren't...  Also, if you are unwilling to learn using console
controller, it's true but this is user choice, you might as well say
that for FPS games you have to have 36" HDTV and full Dolby Digital
sound setup...

> 2. for games like AOE, WarcraftIII, PC is the only way to go

True.  Here you could say "you have to have a mouse"...  

But these games mostly don't need state of the are video adapter, 
so you can keep playing them on PC without upgrading...

> 3. for internet games, PC has far more titles available

True.  Also PC gaming is free, XBox Live isn't.

However, it's fair to mention the benefits of XBox online gaming: 
- better *online* sports gaming
- much less cheaters even if you play with strangers
- everybody has equal hardware so it's your own skill that matters
- standard, universally supported voice chat

> 4. for better sound effect, I would not say XBox can compete with my
> Creative SB Live.

Depends on the rest of your sound setup.  Both can produce about same
quality of sound I think, but average XBox owner is more likely to
have state of the art Dolby Digital sound system for his TV than for
his computer, so for average user XBox likely wipes the floor with his
PC's sound capabilities.

> 5. you can download game demos before you buy it.

With XBox you can buy OXM and get demo disk.  Not free, but still not
expensive either per demo, considering you also get the magazine, plus
no CD burning and re-installation needed if you want to keep the demo.

> 6. you can get patches for the game titles you purchased. no one game
> has no bugs.

False.  This is the very reason I no longer play with PC.

Almost all XBox games have no bugs worth mentioning, while most PC
games really need patching up, simply because they can be patched so
developers can release crappy code to be fixed later.  There are some
bad apples with XBox too, but so few that avoiding them is no loss.

Also, for Live play, there are some kind of patching options.  Like
Unreal Championship is supposed to become much better online after
updating it from Live (no personal experience here).

> Now I had spent another few hundred dollars for a new ATI R9800
> card.  That's the gaming life..

Yeah, that's the _PC_ gaming life...  
Console gaming life is a bit different.

Please note, I'm not saying PC gaming is somehow inferior to console
gaming, no way.  I'm just commenting on your IMHO false claims.

-- 
.

>> 1. for FPS games, you have to have a mouse.
> False.
> 
> If you are competing against other mousers, then this is true but
> since you aren't...  Also, if you are unwilling to learn using console

Trying to aim with a tiny analog stick on a controller is a joke.  If 
there's no auto-aim in the game, you'll find yourself quickly getting 
frustrated as the cursor jerks around the screen.  

I agree that it's awkward at first, but once you have a sh**t load of
practice on it I reckon that it'll become natural using the controller.
"tq96" <tq96@tq96.tq96> wrote in message
news:Xns942D296B0CCB3tq96@216.40.30.68...
> >> 1. for FPS games, you have to have a mouse.
> > False.
> >
> > If you are competing against other mousers, then this is true but
> > since you aren't...  Also, if you are unwilling to learn using console
>
> Trying to aim with a tiny analog stick on a controller is a joke.  If
> there's no auto-aim in the game, you'll find yourself quickly getting
> frustrated as the cursor jerks around the screen.