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On 3/30/02 1:04 AM, in article uaalbcr...@corp.supernews.com, "Dean
Siren" <d...@iu.net> wrote:

>> Are you aware that there are families that have still not recovered their
>> loved ones?  It's been close to seven months - the site is essentially
>> 'cleaned up' - so-to-speak - and the number of victims that will never be
>> recovered is astounding.  I think you need to come out here, and include
>> passing by the disaster site as part of your daily commute, before you start
>> making comments like this.
> 
> Let's compare 9/11 to the destruction of Europe in WWII.

There is a healing process that takes place...  Would you want to go out on
a date w/ your wife the day after she served you with divorce papers?

WwII took place 58 years ago - 9/11 took place 7 months ago.  Why is there
such a hurry to relive this?
> 
> In Europe, a survivor of WWII knew that his family would never be found, that
> his city was totally destroyed and would not be rebuilt for years, and his
> country about to be split into pieces, half of which would become communist
> traps.  And we have hundreds of video games in which the player takes the role
> of a destroyer and killer in that war.
> 
> In 9/11, a survivor might have lost a family member, but knows that his body
> will eventually be found.  Only a few buildings were destroyed and will be
> cleaned and rebuilt within a year or two.

There are a multitude of families who will _not_ ever recover their loved
ones.. I'm not sure why you think that every single body will be found..
The total missing and dead is 2830..  Out of all of those people, only 155
are considered missing at this point.  Of the remaining 2675 people, there
have been 1873 death certificates issued _without_ a recovered body.

As I said before, the disaster site has essentially been cleaned up - the
ramp down into the pit has been relocated, the battery tunnel has been
reopened to public traffic, and west street has also reopened.  The number
of bodies that will be found between now and the "official" completion of
the cleanup effort is not many.  I think it is clear that people do not know
that the bodies of their loved ones will eventually be found..

> Yet there are jerks who suffered
> nothing and called themselves "refugees".  There are families who cry
> endlessly
> because our culture considers it a priority to get attention.

You are right.  There are families who will behave like this, and jerks who
attempt to capitalize on the suffering of other, and people who kill other
people, and people who steal, etc. etc.  that is precisely what makes this
irrelevant.  There will always be people in all walks of life and in all
situations whose scruples have been severely warped.  This, by the way, was
not something "invented" by our culture.  It exists everywhere, in every
corner of the globe.

> If there are 
> any
> video games about 9/11, they will star the firefighters, the life savers.

In the strictest sense, were one able to magically & completely disregard
the context of the situation, your thought is a positive one.   But the
context is what invokes the practical meaning - without it, concepts don't
apply..  

Let me put it this way - the last thing we need at this point is more stuff
to remind us of what happened, and what _is_ happening.  There may be a time
down the road when something along those lines would incite enough of a
positive experience to outweigh the negative, but it isn't going to be for a
long time.

Can you bear the thought of the children of a lost firefighter playing a
videogame where they might possibly watch their parent die if they "lost the
game"?

> 
> But I would like to visit ground zero and 9/11 did anger me.  I won't soon
> forgive Osama for lowering my nation's IQ by 20 points.

I don't really get this last sentence.......?  What is 20 points?