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Does anyone know where i can find a patch for more trains?
email me
es...@hotmail.com
thanx

"Philippe BRUNO" <philipp...@skynet.be> wrote in message
news:3A2416FB.2BB2@skynet.be...
> Subject: [tycoon] TTo and TTD ? : just worth Z.E.R.O., definitely !!!!
>          [WAS : I want a patch... to close a STUPID opened door...!!!]
>
>          Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:27:25 +0100
>          From: Philippe BRUNO <philipp...@skynet.be>
>     Reply-To: tyc...@egroups.com
> Organization: Hardware Technology
>           To: tyc...@egroups.com
>
>
> > > Hi there.
> > >
> > > I'm new on that list but not new on TTo / TTd.
> > >
> > > My kids (1 girl + 1 boy) started to play TTo three or four years
> > > ago, when they were 8 y.o. and 9 y.o.
> > >
> > > They were totally addicted to the game, so I wanted to know more
> > > about that game and started to play w/them.
> > >
> > > MANY things are very good, in that game, but many things are really,
> > > definitely, S.T.U.P.I.D. !!!!!
> > >
> > > For instance, playing in "2 players mode" : How come that
> > > "intelligence" when trying to "block" the opponent is supposed be
> > > "throwing rails in zig-zag all over the place", or to surround a
> > > town with rails that are just connected to NOTHING and go NOWHERE,
> > > and lots other STUPID methods...????
> > >
> > > How come that Chris Sawyer has let such a "Braindead" possibility
> > > opened in that game...?????
> > >
> > > Thus, I wanted to say "I would like to get a special patch", a patch
> > > that would forbid to throw rails "randomly" in order to block the
> > > opponent(s).
> > >
> > > For instance, there could (SHOULD !) be a possibility such as this
> > > one :
> > >
> > > --- When a player has put three (or just TWO...) pieces of roads or
> > > rails that are just NOT connected to anything, then there would be a
> > > message popping up that would say "You are setting rails in a
> > > "non-constructive" way. Your penalty is : you are not allowed to
> > > build anything during the next six months".
> > >
> > >
> > > To keep it simple, I now REFUSE to play AGAINST my kids because I
> > > find such a way to stop opponents simply STUPID...!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > If I want a braindead shoot'em up, then I buy one.
> > >
> > > BUT , when I choose to play with a game that is *supposed* (!)  to
> > > be a "clever" game, then I find that a possibility such as "I throw
> > > rails all over the place so he can't build roads" is totally STUPID
> > > in such a game.
> > >
> > >
> > > (Sorry for my bad english. French, Spanish, Italian translation(s)
> > > on request.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to know what other peoples here are thinking about
> > > that : Do you find really "real life" , do you find really
> > > "believable", do you find really... clever (!) that, in order to
> > > block an opponent for building roads the "best" way is to throw as
> > > many pieces of rails that is needed, no matter they are NOT
> > > connected to anything...????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A game can be very good at 99.9 %, and finally being a STUPID game
> > > due to 0.1 % of its conception...
> > >
> > >
> > > This problem , PLUS the fact that when money starts to get in then
> > > the game is loosing all of it's interest, are two BIG problems that
> > > are making me saying : TTo or TTD ? : Yes, good games. Until you
> > > discover these two flaws...
> > >
> > >
> > > Tks for yr feedback,
> > >
> > > Philippe BRUNO.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Kuba Nalazek wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
>
> Hi Kuba,
>
>
> > Every game can be spoilt, if you play unfair.
>
> I do not agree w/u : not *every* game. This is not true.
>
> Let's take Monopoly for instance : there are tips for playing better but
> NO CHEAT, NO TRICK.
>
> Let's take ALL the card games : there are rules, tips to win and so on,
> but I have no chance to win any card game if I throw the cards in all
> and every direction...
>
> If such a game would exist, it would be STUPID, don't you think so ?
>
>
>
> > Yes, you are right TT is not perfect, but I think this is not the main
> > problem.
>
>
> Once again, I do not agree w/u.
>
> A game is "difficult" , "clever"  AND , ABOVE ALL : PLEASANT ,
> enjoyable, IF  -  and only IF  -  it remains "realistic with itself".
>
> Suppose a shoot'em up / shoot'em all : we ALL know it is NOT "realistic"
> but it is "realistic as a whole" , "realistic with itself" : You shoot
> all over, and the fastest win (in short...)
>
> On the opposite, Tycoon is SUPPOSED to be a "fair" , "clever" ,
> "strategic" game.
>
> Please tell me WHERE are the FAIR , the CLEVER and the STRATEGY angles
> when you can block your opponent by throwing rails all over...????
>
>
> Finally, that game is worth a very big   Z.E.R.O.   , simply because
> there are STUPID doors left opened.
>
>
> It COULD HAVE BEEN a TERRIFIC game.
>
> To achieve that goal, ALL the "stupid" , "stupid cheating" and other
> TRICKY possibilities should have been forbidden.
>
>
>
> > The problem is your attitude to playing.
>
>
> No.
>
> My "attitude with playing" is NOT "the problem".
>
> The problem is Transport Tycoon itself...!!!
>
> My "attitude with playing" is just the POOR RESULT of a POORLY
> PROGRAMMED game...!!!!
>
> What is that for a "strategic" game , a "supposed to be clever" game
> where THE PLAYERS are FORCED to "strengthen" the rules by
> themselves...?????
>
> Are  WE  supposed to replace the lousy programmers , the bugs and the
> flaws...????
>
>
> Have you EVER seen a "classic" game such as chess, poker, monopoly and
> so on where you are FORCED to "set" the rules by yourself just because
> there are openings for cheating...????
>
> Is there a possibility to CHEAT, in chess...???
>
> At poker, you can BLUFF.
> Try to cheat other players and come back to tell me what happened...!!!
>
>
>
> > If you decide with your children not to block the opponents by laying
> > these 'stupid zig-zags' anymore your problem will disappear.
>
>
> Yes, that's what we are doing, of course.
>
> BUT : I DO NOT FIND THAT SITUATION AS A NORMAL ONE , especially in a
> game that is SUPPOSED to be "clever"....!!!!!!!!
>
>
> > Suppose there was a patch that could forbid to block the
> > opponent(s). I think you would still get angry because of lots of
> > other methods of cheating in TT.
>
> YES , there are others methods for cheating in TTo or TTd.
>
> And so what...?
>
> Should we say "ok, forget it, there are so many ways to cheat and trick
> in that game so let's do whatever we want" ???
>
> If we say that, then TTo or TTd are just games that are not even worth
> to be installed and played...!!!!
>
> W.H.Y. should we accept all the "cheating possibilities"...????
>
> Because there are SO MANY...????
>
> Bad answer...
>
>
>
> > I hope you don't know them yet. Otherwise TT could lose in your esteem
> > at all.
>
> I don't know ALL of them, of course.
>
> But no need : the only ones I know are enough to make me SICK...!!!!
>
>
>
> I repeat again : Cheating , Tricky ways , can be acceptable in an
> 8-years-old braindead playstation shoot'em up game.
>
> This is DEFINITELY NOT ACCEPTABLE in a game that is supposed to be
> "realistic", "clever", "tactical".
>
>
>
> > Don't be angry.
> > Have fun playing TT, because it's the best game ever!
>
>
> The "best game ever"...????
>
> Are you kidding...????
>
> I am SICK. I am FED UP with TTo or TTd.
>
> It COULD HAVE BEEN a TERRIFIC game.
>
> Due to ALL the STUPID possibilities to CHEAT and to TRICK , these games
> (TTo and TTd) are just worth NOTHING...!!!!
>
>
> What does the advertising say ?
> Do the advertising say "Transport Tycoon, the best strategic game ever",
> or does it say (which is closer to the reality !) "Transport Tycoon, the
> best strategic game ever UNTIL YOU DISCOVER ALL THE FLAWS and the stupid
> possibilities left opened to CHEAT and TRICK your opponents, then you'll
> immediately be BORED and FED UP with"...???
>
> Due to those flaws those games are just as "beautiful" , "terrific" and
> "clever" than a Ferrari without an engine...!!!!
>
>  - Hey, kids, let's play Tycoon, ok ?
>  - Ok !
>  - Well... : Just a problem here : The guy(s) who developped that
>    "clever" software just forgot to install an engine, but it's not a
>    problem : We suppose there IS an engine, ok ?
>  - Ok.
>  - Ok then : let's sit down and make "Vraoum" with your mouth.
>    Waw... Geez... : what a terrific car...!!!
>
>
>
> Another one ?
>
> TTo and TTd are just as "clever" as a new version of Monopoly or poker.
>
> The "new" versions are just like the old ones, except that you can win
> the game when throwing cards and dices all over the room.
>
>
>
> Still willing to tell me these games are "the best games ever"...???
>
>
>
> Transport Tycoon...???  (Original and Deluxe)
> They're just ALL BUT CLEVER
> They're just ALL BUT "STRATEGIC"
>
> They're just a bunch of S**T !!!!
>
>
> I really DO HOPE that, one day, someone that is capable to build a patch
> will play those games and say "I DO HATE TRICKS, I DO HATE CHEATS. I
> want to play TOUGH , BUT FAIR".
>
> Perhaps that guy will , finally , make what you call "a terrific game"
> out of that crap.
>
>
>
> Is it anybody outhere who LIKES strategic games but HATES cheats and
> tricks...???
>
>
> Is there a chance to get a patch that would make those games "tough BUT
> clever" instead of "well designed (hey, look at the smoke from the train
> - waouw, it's nice !) BUT stupid"...???
>
>
>
>
> Philippe BRUNO.