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Subject: [tycoon] TTo and TTD ? : just worth Z.E.R.O., definitely !!!!
         [WAS : I want a patch... to close a STUPID opened door...!!!] 

         Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:27:25 +0100
         From: Philippe BRUNO <philipp...@skynet.be>
    Reply-To: tyc...@egroups.com
Organization: Hardware Technology
          To: tyc...@egroups.com


> > Hi there.
> >
> > I'm new on that list but not new on TTo / TTd.
> >
> > My kids (1 girl + 1 boy) started to play TTo three or four years
> > ago, when they were 8 y.o. and 9 y.o.
> >
> > They were totally addicted to the game, so I wanted to know more
> > about that game and started to play w/them.
> >
> > MANY things are very good, in that game, but many things are really,
> > definitely, S.T.U.P.I.D. !!!!!
> >
> > For instance, playing in "2 players mode" : How come that
> > "intelligence" when trying to "block" the opponent is supposed be
> > "throwing rails in zig-zag all over the place", or to surround a
> > town with rails that are just connected to NOTHING and go NOWHERE,
> > and lots other STUPID methods...????
> >
> > How come that Chris Sawyer has let such a "Braindead" possibility
> > opened in that game...?????
> >
> > Thus, I wanted to say "I would like to get a special patch", a patch
> > that would forbid to throw rails "randomly" in order to block the
> > opponent(s).
> >
> > For instance, there could (SHOULD !) be a possibility such as this
> > one :
> >
> > --- When a player has put three (or just TWO...) pieces of roads or
> > rails that are just NOT connected to anything, then there would be a
> > message popping up that would say "You are setting rails in a
> > "non-constructive" way. Your penalty is : you are not allowed to
> > build anything during the next six months".
> >
> >
> > To keep it simple, I now REFUSE to play AGAINST my kids because I
> > find such a way to stop opponents simply STUPID...!!!!
> >
> >
> > If I want a braindead shoot'em up, then I buy one.
> >
> > BUT , when I choose to play with a game that is *supposed* (!)  to
> > be a "clever" game, then I find that a possibility such as "I throw
> > rails all over the place so he can't build roads" is totally STUPID
> > in such a game.
> >
> >
> > (Sorry for my bad english. French, Spanish, Italian translation(s)
> > on request.)
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be interested to know what other peoples here are thinking about
> > that : Do you find really "real life" , do you find really
> > "believable", do you find really... clever (!) that, in order to
> > block an opponent for building roads the "best" way is to throw as
> > many pieces of rails that is needed, no matter they are NOT
> > connected to anything...????
> >
> >
> >
> > A game can be very good at 99.9 %, and finally being a STUPID game
> > due to 0.1 % of its conception...
> >
> >
> > This problem , PLUS the fact that when money starts to get in then
> > the game is loosing all of it's interest, are two BIG problems that
> > are making me saying : TTo or TTD ? : Yes, good games. Until you
> > discover these two flaws...
> >
> >
> > Tks for yr feedback,
> >
> > Philippe BRUNO.





> Kuba Nalazek wrote:
> 
> Hi,

Hi Kuba,

 
> Every game can be spoilt, if you play unfair.

I do not agree w/u : not *every* game. This is not true.

Let's take Monopoly for instance : there are tips for playing better but
NO CHEAT, NO TRICK.

Let's take ALL the card games : there are rules, tips to win and so on,
but I have no chance to win any card game if I throw the cards in all
and every direction...

If such a game would exist, it would be STUPID, don't you think so ?



> Yes, you are right TT is not perfect, but I think this is not the main
> problem.


Once again, I do not agree w/u.

A game is "difficult" , "clever"  AND , ABOVE ALL : PLEASANT ,
enjoyable, IF  -  and only IF  -  it remains "realistic with itself".

Suppose a shoot'em up / shoot'em all : we ALL know it is NOT "realistic"
but it is "realistic as a whole" , "realistic with itself" : You shoot
all over, and the fastest win (in short...)

On the opposite, Tycoon is SUPPOSED to be a "fair" , "clever" ,
"strategic" game.

Please tell me WHERE are the FAIR , the CLEVER and the STRATEGY angles
when you can block your opponent by throwing rails all over...????


Finally, that game is worth a very big   Z.E.R.O.   , simply because
there are STUPID doors left opened.


It COULD HAVE BEEN a TERRIFIC game.

To achieve that goal, ALL the "stupid" , "stupid cheating" and other
TRICKY possibilities should have been forbidden.



> The problem is your attitude to playing.


No.

My "attitude with playing" is NOT "the problem".

The problem is Transport Tycoon itself...!!!

My "attitude with playing" is just the POOR RESULT of a POORLY
PROGRAMMED game...!!!!

What is that for a "strategic" game , a "supposed to be clever" game
where THE PLAYERS are FORCED to "strengthen" the rules by
themselves...?????

Are  WE  supposed to replace the lousy programmers , the bugs and the
flaws...????


Have you EVER seen a "classic" game such as chess, poker, monopoly and
so on where you are FORCED to "set" the rules by yourself just because
there are openings for cheating...????

Is there a possibility to CHEAT, in chess...???

At poker, you can BLUFF.
Try to cheat other players and come back to tell me what happened...!!!



> If you decide with your children not to block the opponents by laying
> these 'stupid zig-zags' anymore your problem will disappear.


Yes, that's what we are doing, of course.

BUT : I DO NOT FIND THAT SITUATION AS A NORMAL ONE , especially in a
game that is SUPPOSED to be "clever"....!!!!!!!!


> Suppose there was a patch that could forbid to block the
> opponent(s). I think you would still get angry because of lots of
> other methods of cheating in TT.

YES , there are others methods for cheating in TTo or TTd.

And so what...?

Should we say "ok, forget it, there are so many ways to cheat and trick
in that game so let's do whatever we want" ???

If we say that, then TTo or TTd are just games that are not even worth
to be installed and played...!!!!

W.H.Y. should we accept all the "cheating possibilities"...????

Because there are SO MANY...????

Bad answer...



> I hope you don't know them yet. Otherwise TT could lose in your esteem
> at all.

I don't know ALL of them, of course.

But no need : the only ones I know are enough to make me SICK...!!!!



I repeat again : Cheating , Tricky ways , can be acceptable in an
8-years-old braindead playstation shoot'em up game.

This is DEFINITELY NOT ACCEPTABLE in a game that is supposed to be
"realistic", "clever", "tactical".


 
> Don't be angry.
> Have fun playing TT, because it's the best game ever!


The "best game ever"...????

Are you kidding...????

I am SICK. I am FED UP with TTo or TTd.

It COULD HAVE BEEN a TERRIFIC game.

Due to ALL the STUPID possibilities to CHEAT and to TRICK , these games
(TTo and TTd) are just worth NOTHING...!!!!


What does the advertising say ?
Do the advertising say "Transport Tycoon, the best strategic game ever",
or does it say (which is closer to the reality !) "Transport Tycoon, the
best strategic game ever UNTIL YOU DISCOVER ALL THE FLAWS and the stupid
possibilities left opened to CHEAT and TRICK your opponents, then you'll
immediately be BORED and FED UP with"...???

Due to those flaws those games are just as "beautiful" , "terrific" and
"clever" than a Ferrari without an engine...!!!!

 - Hey, kids, let's play Tycoon, ok ?
 - Ok !
 - Well... : Just a problem here : The guy(s) who developped that
   "clever" software just forgot to install an engine, but it's not a
   problem : We suppose there IS an engine, ok ?
 - Ok.
 - Ok then : let's sit down and make "Vraoum" with your mouth.
   Waw... Geez... : what a terrific car...!!!



Another one ?

TTo and TTd are just as "clever" as a new version of Monopoly or poker.

The "new" versions are just like the old ones, except that you can win
the game when throwing cards and dices all over the room.



Still willing to tell me these games are "the best games ever"...??? 



Transport Tycoon...???  (Original and Deluxe)
They're just ALL BUT CLEVER
They're just ALL BUT "STRATEGIC"

They're just a bunch of S**T !!!!


I really DO HOPE that, one day, someone that is capable to build a patch
will play those games and say "I DO HATE TRICKS, I DO HATE CHEATS. I
want to play TOUGH , BUT FAIR".

Perhaps that guy will , finally , make what you call "a terrific game"
out of that crap.



Is it anybody outhere who LIKES strategic games but HATES cheats and
tricks...???


Is there a chance to get a patch that would make those games "tough BUT
clever" instead of "well designed (hey, look at the smoke from the train
- waouw, it's nice !) BUT stupid"...???




Philippe BRUNO.