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Rich <richmarin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Have you played Alpha Centauri? If so, how does it compare to
> Civilization V? Does Civ V contain some Alpha Centauri features?

Alhpa Centauri was a sort-of spin-off based on Civ 2's engine.  It takes 
place once the space ship you launched in Civ 2 to win the game, reaches 
Alpha Centauri.  You could almost think of Civ (any Civ) as a prequel to 
Alpha Centauri in that regard.  If you like Alpha Centauri you'll probably 
like Civ 5.

Civ (all versions) is based on Human history, so it starts around 5000BC, 
and while there are the ocassional lion or bear to contend with, you don't 
have mind worms running amok for obvious reasons.

You still have to eXplore, eXpand, eXploit and eXterminate (if you 
choose).  There's a tech tree, but it's based on actual discoveries, as 
opposed to Alpha Centauri's futuristic techs.  The same goes with the 
units you build.

Civ 5 retains the culture and religion features from Civ 4, although I've 
heard that religion is a bit more anonymous in Civ 5.  Anyways, culture is 
generated by cities, which determines your borders and areas of influence 
on the map.

You are still in charge of finding and developing new cities to grow your 
economic, military and science bases, but also have to contend with 
culture and religious growth as well.

Civ5 does away with the old square grid from Alpha Centauri (and every 
previous Civ) and introduces hexes.  Civ 5 also doesn't allow units to 
stack, so wars become a bit more strategic. 

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On Sep 28, 5:13 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@rawbw.com> wrote:

<snip>

The feature I wish they brought over to Civ from AC is custom designed
units.

"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@rawbw.com> wrote in message 
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> Rich <richmarin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>
> Civ 5 retains the culture and religion features from Civ 4, although I've
> heard that religion is a bit more anonymous in Civ 5.  Anyways, culture is
> generated by cities, which determines your borders and areas of influence
> on the map.
>

Have you actually played the game? Or even read a review?

There is no religion at all, and the the use and impact of culture has 
completely changed. Culture is almost entirely concerned with earning Social 
Policies which is the V replacement for Civics; just about the only thing it 
shares with IV is the name. 

On Sep 30, 7:36 pm, "CJM" <cjmnew...@nospam.yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Doug Jacobs" <djac...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
>
> news:noudnZHQVrP7xz_RnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@posted.rawbandwidth...
>
> > Rich <richma...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Civ 5 retains the culture and religion features from Civ 4, although I've
> > heard that religion is a bit more anonymous in Civ 5.  Anyways, culture is
> > generated by cities, which determines your borders and areas of influence
> > on the map.
>
> Have you actually played the game? Or even read a review?
>
> There is no religion at all, and the the use and impact of culture has
> completely changed. Culture is almost entirely concerned with earning Social
> Policies which is the V replacement for Civics; just about the only thing it
> shares with IV is the name.

Its streamline design shares alot with the console Civilization
Revolution.  Its still Civ, fun, easier to get into, but not a sequel
to Civ IV.

"EMan" <supreme.evolutionary@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>
>> There is no religion at all, and the the use and impact of culture has
>> completely changed. Culture is almost entirely concerned with earning 
>> Social
>> Policies which is the V replacement for Civics; just about the only thing 
>> it
>> shares with IV is the name.
>
> Its streamline design shares alot with the console Civilization
> Revolution.  Its still Civ, fun, easier to get into, but not a sequel
> to Civ IV.

I think I've played most CIVs, but for obvious reasons, I remember CIV IV 
mainly - in fact I was playing it up until launch day.

CIV V is slick - very well polished.

But it's shallow. Simplified in many respects. It's still enjoyable, but 
it's definitely geared towards a more casual/console player.

I'm pleased with some of the changes, but the game is not a sequel to CIV 
IV. In fact, I expected to uninstall CIV IV, but I'll be leaving them side 
by side - I can see myself playing IV when I want a more involved game.

Now if only I could get Alpha Centauri to run on Win 7, I'd be playing that 
too. 

On Oct 4, 4:23 am, "CJM" <cjmuk2...@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:

> I'm pleased with some of the changes, but the game is not a sequel to CIV
> IV. In fact, I expected to uninstall CIV IV, but I'll be leaving them side
> by side - I can see myself playing IV when I want a more involved game.

Not me, I need to invest in some bigger drives, but until then Civ V
is getting uninstalled.  I knew I should have listened to my first
instinct to not buy it.  The hype got me.  You would think this was
the best Civ ever.  It is the most polished and streamline Civ to date
and I guess style over substance wins these days.

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:23:16 +0100, "CJM"
<cjmuk2008@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:

>Now if only I could get Alpha Centauri to run on Win 7, I'd be playing that 
>too. 

Dunno about AC on Windows7, but you may wish to try Planetfall, a mod
for Civilization IV that aims to recreate that classic on the newer
platform. http://www.moddb.com/mods/planetfall

I haven't tried it myself but it looks interesting.

EMan wrote:

> Not me, I need to invest in some bigger drives, but until then Civ V
> is getting uninstalled.  I knew I should have listened to my first
> instinct to not buy it.  The hype got me.  You would think this was
> the best Civ ever.  It is the most polished and streamline Civ to date
> and I guess style over substance wins these days.

There's still a lot of substance, though, don't you agree? Policies, or 
what's the english name (I play the italian evrsion) are wonderfully 
organised, I love that sub-policy from the Liberty Policy which makes your 
new cities start with half the food needed to grow.
And the 1-hex 1-unit rule looked a bit shallow but then I realized it's not 
a bad idea, gives more importance to tactics.
And I'm lovin' those state-cities.
-- 
ViLco
And the family stone 

"Spalls Hurgenson" <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:23:16 +0100, "CJM"
> <cjmuk2008@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:
>
>>Now if only I could get Alpha Centauri to run on Win 7, I'd be playing 
>>that
>>too.
>
> Dunno about AC on Windows7, but you may wish to try Planetfall, a mod
> for Civilization IV that aims to recreate that classic on the newer
> platform. http://www.moddb.com/mods/planetfall
>
> I haven't tried it myself but it looks interesting.
>

Interesting. Thanks. 

CJM wrote:

> 
> Now if only I could get Alpha Centauri to run on Win 7, I'd be
> playing that too.
> 

What is your/the problem?

Just tried it under Win7(32-bit) and got it to work.
I have and installed the 'Planetary Pack' bundle (ol' Big Box).
[Terran.exe] and the DRM binaries are dated (2000-01-24), none of 
them describe their version on the properties Details-tab.
[ReadMe.txt](2000-01-29) seems to indicate the Alpha Centauri is 
at version 3.0 (and Crossfire at 2.0) as released in this bundle.

My User Account type is 'Administrator'.

         Made a Shortcut to [Terran.exe] ;
Shortcut-tab ; Advanced... ;
     Run as Administrator
Compatibility-tab ; Change settings for all users ;
     Compatibility mode = ?
         (Win95 & Win98 -> AppCrash in [Terran.icd])
         (Skipped over trying WinNT 4.0 & WinNT 5.00.x)
         (Tried next one and it works for me.)
     Compatibility mode = WinXP SP2
     Disable Visual themes
     Disable Desktop composition

Didn't test so i don't know what if anything in the above 
settings that might not be needed.

I HopeThisHelps.


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.. but, the Windows Start button doesn't work like that anymore!


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On Oct 12, 6:07 am, "ViLco" <villi...@tin.spam> wrote:
> EMan wrote:
> > Not me, I need to invest in some bigger drives, but until then Civ V
> > is getting uninstalled.  I knew I should have listened to my first
> > instinct to not buy it.  The hype got me.  You would think this was
> > the best Civ ever.  It is the most polished and streamline Civ to date
> > and I guess style over substance wins these days.
>
> There's still a lot of substance, though, don't you agree? Policies, or
> what's the english name (I play the italian evrsion) are wonderfully
> organised, I love that sub-policy from the Liberty Policy which makes your
> new cities start with half the food needed to grow.
> And the 1-hex 1-unit rule looked a bit shallow but then I realized it's not
> a bad idea, gives more importance to tactics.
> And I'm lovin' those state-cities.
> --
> ViLco
> And the family stone

Dont get me wrong.  Civ V is a great game.  I didn't mean to sound so
harsh.  There are great additions to the Civ franchise in Civ V.  Just
weighing the additions and omissions, at least after a few weeks play,
I think it would be a better product if the omissions weren't taken
out.  Maybe Civ VI or expansion packs will bring it all back together
again.

Etal <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
> Just tried it under Win7(32-bit) and got it to work.
> I have and installed the 'Planetary Pack' bundle (ol' Big Box).
> [Terran.exe] and the DRM binaries are dated (2000-01-24), none of 
> them describe their version on the properties Details-tab.
> [ReadMe.txt](2000-01-29) seems to indicate the Alpha Centauri is 
> at version 3.0 (and Crossfire at 2.0) as released in this bundle.

Rather than go through all of this, try this unofficial patch:

http://www.civgaming.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7511

Fixed a lot of bugs and improved compatibility with modern OSes too.

 - Solomon
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Melbourne, FL                          ^^ (mail/jabber/gtalk) ^^
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

Stuffed Crust wrote:

> Etal <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Just tried it under Win7(32-bit) and got it to work.
>> I have and installed the 'Planetary Pack' bundle (ol' Big Box).

P.S. The bundle is a one CD release. Installer offers three 
install-types; something like Complete, Custom, and Minimal. I 
did chose the 'Complete' option and it installed without any 
complaint.


>> [Terran.exe] and the DRM binaries are dated (2000-01-24), none of 
>> them describe their version on the properties Details-tab.
>> [ReadMe.txt](2000-01-29) seems to indicate the Alpha Centauri is 
>> at version 3.0 (and Crossfire at 2.0) as released in this bundle.
> 
> Rather than go through all of this, try this unofficial patch:
> 
> http://www.civgaming.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7511
> 
> Fixed a lot of bugs and improved compatibility with modern OSes too.
> 

Not really any "all of this" to speak of; just installed it, set 
compatibility and started playing.

But yes, i'd most probably install any later updates if i'd 
continue playing, so thank you for the URL.

I was just doing a quick and dirty trial-install. I'm testing 
installing different games as i have a Win7(32-bit)-machine on 
loan for the moment (Turned out the PSU didn't give what the 
Graphics card demanded).


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EMan wrote:

>> There's still a lot of substance, though, don't you agree?
[...]

> Dont get me wrong.  Civ V is a great game.  I didn't mean to sound so
> harsh.  There are great additions to the Civ franchise in Civ V.  Just
> weighing the additions and omissions, at least after a few weeks play,
> I think it would be a better product if the omissions weren't taken
> out.  Maybe Civ VI or expansion packs will bring it all back together
> again.

Yes, I knew you weren't bashing Civ5 :)
-- 
ViLco
And the family stone 

Etal wrote:

> CJM wrote:
> 
>> Now if only I could get Alpha Centauri to run on Win 7, I'd be
>> playing that too.
>>
> 
> What is your/the problem?
> 
> Just tried it under Win7(32-bit) and got it to work.
> I have and installed the 'Planetary Pack' bundle (ol' Big Box).

Addendum. The bundle is a one CD release. Installer offers three
install-types; something like Complete, Custom (or was it
typical?) and Minimal. I did chose the 'Complete' option and it
installed without any complaint.

Yes right, i also forgot to mention that,
   because i always do (and everyone else also, right?)
   install almost all software to a path outside %ProgramFiles%\,
i in this case installed to "C:\Games\Alpha Centauri\".


> [Terran.exe] and the DRM binaries are dated (2000-01-24), none of 
> them describe their version on the properties Details-tab.
> [ReadMe.txt](2000-01-29) seems to indicate the Alpha Centauri is 
> at version 3.0 (and Crossfire at 2.0) as released in this bundle.

But as viewed within the game, the versions are shown as:

Alpha Centauri (EP0), /Subtitleless/ 4.0(1999-05-17)
Alpha Centauri (EP1), Alien Crossfire 2.0(1999-12-20)


> 
> My User Account type is 'Administrator'.
> 
>          Made a Shortcut to [Terran.exe] ;
> Shortcut-tab ; Advanced... ;
>      Run as Administrator
> Compatibility-tab ; Change settings for all users ;
>      Compatibility mode = ?
>          (Win95 & Win98 -> AppCrash in [Terran.icd])
>          (Skipped over trying WinNT 4.0 & WinNT 5.00.x)
>          (Tried next one and it works for me.)
>      Compatibility mode = WinXP SP2
>      Disable Visual themes
>      Disable Desktop composition
> 
> Didn't test so i don't know what if anything in the above 
> settings that might not be needed.
> 

Tested with using 'WinXP SP3' compatibility mode for 
[TerranX.exe] and that worked just as well.

(not that i want to) but with them two set and [AXStart.exe] 
similarly configured i can start either game via the launcher.


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