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5 total messages Started by Rosemary Serbus Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:56
DOW2 Chaos Rising, why are xenos disliked?
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Author: Rosemary Serbus
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:56
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Not just DOW2 games, Command and Conquer 3 have similar problems with Scrin factions too...
Are they that bad?
Re: DOW2 Chaos Rising, why are xenos disliked?
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Author: Les Steel
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:01
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"Rosemary Serbus" <yintina@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:i7br7q$ab1$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> Not just DOW2 games, Command and Conquer 3 have similar problems with 
> Scrin factions too...
> Are they that bad?

In the Warhammer 40k Universe (Dawn of War), Xenos refers to all aliens 
really, not just Tyranids. Humankind has no tolerance for any non humans, 
although will fight alongside them if it helps achieve a goal to further the 
Imperium. Then they'll turn and kill them. The Tryanids happen to be 
destroyers of worlds as the swarm moves through the galaxy or some such. 
(haven't played the tabletop for about 10 years or so, since GW got 
greedier)

Just look at what happened to the Squats ;) 
Re: DOW2 Chaos Rising, why are xenos disliked?
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Author: Wilfredo Golom
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:42
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What happened to the Squats? Just curious...
Re: DOW2 Chaos Rising, why are xenos disliked?
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Author: Insane Ranter
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:11
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On Sep 28, 6:42 pm, Wilfredo Golom <simona.luce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What happened to the Squats? Just curious...

The Squats have been out of the current games and model production by
Games Workshop  since the 1990s. The release of the third edition of
Warhammer 40,000 in 1998 marked the removal of the final elements of
the Squat rules from the game. The last miniatures to be released by
Citadel were the Epic Squat war engines (such as the Goliath Mega
Cannon) in 1994, though the release of Warhammer 40,000 scale had
stopped some four years previously in 1990. Though no new models were
released, sales did continue at a low level through retail stores and
through Mail Order for several years until they were eventually
discontinued completely.

In terms of the game background, the Squat Home Worlds were attacked
and devoured by the Tyranids of a hive fleet. However, the few Squats
not on the Home Worlds survived on, typically as either pirates or
members of the Imperium's armies. As no actual Squat-specific
background material was published after 1993 this pivotal moment in
the race's history has only ever been briefly mentioned or referenced,
and so not much is known. One can assume however, that as they did not
"fit" well as a race into the Imperium, they have been all but removed
by a convenient Tyranid Hive fleet, in rather the same way that the
Zoats were disposed of.

It is generally believed that they are the major victim of Games
Workshop's attempts to make Warhammer 40,000 a totally original
setting and not just Warhammer Fantasy in space. The Squats had
thrived in early Warhammer 40,000's dark but slightly silly atmosphere
- where characters and planets were named after pop singers and cake
manufacturers . Games Workshop's official stance, however, is that the
Squats were dropped because they felt dissatisfied with their
established background and army design.

Squat miniatures go for relatively high prices on eBay and fans
reportedly bombard the games developers regularly with what is called
"the Squat Question". Many other model making companies have been
producing space dwarf models for a long time, though certain companies
do not match the quality of games workshop miniatures. Some players
have written their own rules for Warhammer 40K so Squat armies can be
played. However popular this trend has proven to be, the official
ruling from Games Workshop is that only 40K miniatures can be used in
GW stores and GW-sponsored tournaments.

A statement on why the Squats were dropped was given by games designer
Jervis Johnson on 28 July 2004. In a Squat-themed thread on a popular
Warhammer 40,000 message board, he posted an official response to the
Squat Question. Summarising, Johnson said the race was removed from
the Warhammer 40,000 universe for the following reasons:

    * The designers felt that they "had failed to do the Dwarf
'archetype' justice in its 40K incarnation", and that the Squats were
more of a joke race.
    * There existed a design disparity with the Warhammer 40,000 and
the Epic-scale renditions of the race, which prevented there being a
cohesive vision of the race.
    * Despite the efforts of the design team, they were unable to
think up ways to revitalize the concept.[3]

Jervis Johnson's statement also confirms that the Demiurg began as an
effort to re-think the concept of Squats, after their annihilation,
and that the concept might one day be expanded on.

Some people still use Squat models in their armies, adapting the rules
of one of the game's supported races in order to play with them.
Although Squats are no longer in the game, traces of them can still be
found in Warhammer 40,000 fiction. Squats are mentioned in the current
Ork codex, though only by nickname. Squats also get a Small mention in
Dawn of War Tempest, Where it describes a librarian carrying an
unusual force-axe that was recovered from the planet Dorian Prime, a
world lost for millennia behind warp storms, where once normal human
citizens had become stunted and malformed by gravitational effects,
their metal working skills were beyond compare. The planet has been
lost to the galaxy again, due to warp storms. The trilogy The
Inquisition Wars also features a motor-tricycle riding squat named
Grimm as part of the retinue of the protagonist, Jaq Draco.

A fully playable, although not in any way official, version of Squat
rules for the 5th version of Warhammer 40,000 can be found on
40konline.com. This is fan-developed but widely recognized as one of
the premier ways of playing the Squat race in the current ruleset of
the game. [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_%28Warhammer_40,000%29
Re: DOW2 Chaos Rising, why are xenos disliked?
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Author: Ruby Mamula
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 02:11
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Thanks, Chewy. Rub hug.
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