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On 9/7/2010 5:11 PM, Sheldon England wrote:
> This game only allows one profile? Ever? WTF?!?

So what problems does this cause exactly...

> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?

Meh.  Are you sure there's no way to replay it?  Most games allow stuff 
like that.

> I'm stuck with a lame user profile name and all the mistakes I made are
> stuck on my record?

Who cares?  But then I think the whole "Oh look at ME I got a gold star 
for being potty trained in Game X!" is silly.

> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
> again. That's retarded ... or I am.

I've never seen a game that didn't allow that.

On 08/09/2010 00:11, Sheldon England wrote:

> This game only allows one profile? Ever? WTF?!?

This is some kind of DRM scheme: 1 game = 1 user = 1 account. It's
mainly a big money decision.

I'm not big fan of this decision, but I still found your argumentary
pretty weak, so let me be the devil's advocate.

> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?

I'm pretty sure you can review any ingame video at will in the menu.
Anyway this video is all around the net, so you don't even need to
launch the game if you really want to see this video again and again.

> I'm stuck with a lame user profile name and all the mistakes I made are
> stuck on my record?

During my profile creation, I was told to choose my nickname wisely,
because I will not be able to change it. Didn't you ?

What do you mean by "all the mistakes" ? If you talk about game loss, it
not mistakes, but events. Every player win and loss, this is experience.
Those statistics help to game engine to match players for versus.

Really it does not matter at all. At first it may seems harsh to have
your stats public, but in the end, who care's ?

> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
> again. That's retarded ... or I am.

Once again, you can't unless beggin at Blizzard support. If you are so
worried about your shiny account you should have used a guest account
for your first steps. I got 2 in my game box.

-- 
Hugo

>
> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?

Go to the campaign, click on the 'Mission Archives' on the bridge.
All the (revealed) cinematics are accessible from there.  The opening
cutscene is call "The Deal", IIRC.

> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
> again. That's retarded ... or I am.

Sorry, I can't help with that.  Seems strange, but I'd wager you'll
quickly overcome any dings on your rating. I think phenomena might be
an after effect of Blizzard wanting to go to the real id, with real
names.

Cheers,
Carl

WDS wrote:
> Sheldon England wrote:
>> This game only allows one profile? Ever? WTF?!?
>
> So what problems does this cause exactly...

'I can't start over again' is the first issue that comes to mind.


>> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?
>
> Meh. Are you sure there's no way to replay it? Most games allow stuff
> like that.

I didn't see a way ... but there may be a file tucked away somewhere. If 
I could just restart with a new profile there would be no problem.


>> I'm stuck with a lame user profile name and all the mistakes I made are
>> stuck on my record?
>
> Who cares? But then I think the whole "Oh look at ME I got a gold star
> for being potty trained in Game X!" is silly.

Heh. I don't care about 'achievements' since I never do multiplayer. But 
sometimes when I'm just fooling around/starting I make some bad 
mistakes. I would like to clean the slate and start fresh. I can do this 
with every other one of my 100+ other PC games.


>> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
>> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
>> again. That's retarded ... or I am.
>
> I've never seen a game that didn't allow that.

Exactly. But I can't see how.


   - Sheldon

Hugo wrote:
> Sheldon England wrote:
>
>> This game only allows one profile? Ever? WTF?!?
>
> This is some kind of DRM scheme: 1 game = 1 user = 1 account. It's
> mainly a big money decision.

I get the DRM aspect. I have too many single-player games that require 
me to "call-home" to play. But in all those games I can easily re-start.


> I'm not big fan of this decision, but I still found your argumentary
> pretty weak, so let me be the devil's advocate.

Heh. Okay ....


>> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?
>
> I'm pretty sure you can review any ingame video at will in the menu.
> Anyway this video is all around the net, so you don't even need to
> launch the game if you really want to see this video again and again.

Okay ...


>> I'm stuck with a lame user profile name and all the mistakes I made are
>> stuck on my record?
>
> During my profile creation, I was told to choose my nickname wisely,
> because I will not be able to change it. Didn't you ?

No. Because I was just firing it up to take it for a spin. I do this 
with almost every game I buy. The first ten or fifteen minutes are just 
testing the waters. Once I get the hang of things I start fresh and do 
my best.


> What do you mean by "all the mistakes" ? If you talk about game loss, it
> not mistakes, but events. Every player win and loss, this is experience.
> Those statistics help to game engine to match players for versus.
>
> Really it does not matter at all. At first it may seems harsh to have
> your stats public, but in the end, who care's ?

My stats are public?!? Why would I want that? I'll share info about me 
when I want to share info about me.


>> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
>> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
>> again. That's retarded ... or I am.
>
> Once again, you can't unless beggin at Blizzard support. If you are so
> worried about your shiny account you should have used a guest account
> for your first steps. I got 2 in my game box.

Yeah ... I have two of those as well. And two for WOW.

Thanks for your comments anyway.


   - Sheldon

clundst wrote:
>
>> So I will never again see that opening cut scene?
>
> Go to the campaign, click on the 'Mission Archives' on the bridge.
> All the (revealed) cinematics are accessible from there.  The opening
> cutscene is call "The Deal", IIRC.

Okay. Thanks. Guess I would rather see it as a prelude to playing the 
game (to hype me up) instead of eating popcorn and watching CGI on my PC 
-- but at least if I can watch again that is something.


>> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
>> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
>> again. That's retarded ... or I am.
>
> Sorry, I can't help with that.  Seems strange, but I'd wager you'll
> quickly overcome any dings on your rating. I think phenomena might be
> an after effect of Blizzard wanting to go to the real id, with real
> names.

Yeah ... it just seems strange to me. When I finish the campaign 
(assuming I find the motivation to play) will I need to buy another copy 
of the game to play the campaign again? That doesn't make sense.


   - Sheldon

On 08/09/2010 20:08, Sheldon England wrote:

> Yeah ... it just seems strange to me. When I finish the campaign
> (assuming I find the motivation to play) will I need to buy another copy
> of the game to play the campaign again? That doesn't make sense.

I didn't yet finish the campaign, but AFAIK, once completed, you could
replay any mission at will, or even play the mission you left around.

And for sure, you could start over a new campaign at anytime.

-- 
Hugo

Hugo wrote:
> Sheldon England wrote:
>
>> Yeah ... it just seems strange to me. When I finish the campaign
>> (assuming I find the motivation to play) will I need to buy another copy
>> of the game to play the campaign again? That doesn't make sense.
>
> I didn't yet finish the campaign, but AFAIK, once completed, you could
> replay any mission at will, or even play the mission you left around.
>
> And for sure, you could start over a new campaign at anytime.

I did some more digging last night and found how to restart the game so 
at least there is that. It was actually fairly obvious so I don't know 
how I missed it.

Still stuck with the goofy profile THAT MAY NOT BE CHANGED UNTIL DEATH 
but at least now I can give a go with a fresh start.

Thanks for all the replies.


   - Sheldon

On 9/9/2010 12:14 PM, Sheldon England wrote:
> Still stuck with the goofy profile THAT MAY NOT BE CHANGED UNTIL DEATH

Well, there you go.  You even knew how all along you kidder!

On 9/9/2010 10:14 AM, Sheldon England wrote:
>
> Still stuck with the goofy profile THAT MAY NOT BE CHANGED UNTIL DEATH

Just like the real army.  :-D

-- 
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stick."

On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:59:53 -0700, Sheldon England wrote:

>>> I'm stuck with a lame user profile name and all the mistakes I made are
>>> stuck on my record?
>>
>> Who cares? But then I think the whole "Oh look at ME I got a gold star
>> for being potty trained in Game X!" is silly.
> 
> Heh. I don't care about 'achievements' since I never do multiplayer. But 
> sometimes when I'm just fooling around/starting I make some bad 
> mistakes. I would like to clean the slate and start fresh. I can do this 
> with every other one of my 100+ other PC games.

<delurk> I for one welcome the one-profile thing; there's a couple reasons
for it that I don't think anyone else has mentioned. Maybe no one here
plays multiplayer much. I guess I'll represent the multiplayer contingent.

In Warcraft 3 smurphing was rampant on the multiplayer ladder. It's when
highly skilled players create new accounts, which begin as if they were new
players. The idea is to get the matching system to pair you against players
much weaker than you. Because no one wants to actually, you know, lose.
After all, a 50-50 record is for losers, and never mind that the system is
supposed to pair you against people that are an even match. 

Another issue was players who would join team games and deliberately lose
or attack their teammates, simply to be a general bastard; doing this on a
second account kept your main one clean. (I'm not sure, but I think
Blizzard may have eventually started banning CD keys for this) 

I don't play WoW but as I understand they have similar problems. As a
social game, reputation matters there, I guess; and some players would
maintain separate accounts so that they could be a jackoff on one
(particularly on Blizzard's official forum) without making enemies on the
account they actually played on. 

The one profile system (according to Blizzard -- believe them or not, as
you will) is essentially supposed to be a check on that kind of ubiquitous
player jackassery...it removes smurphing entirely and gives griefers a
lasting reputation. Battlenet in general is populated mainly by
human-shaped sewage; if not being able to change my name is the price of
sewage treatment, I'll pay it.

(I don't know if it's specifically bnet that's like this; the only
not-blizzard RTS I play is supreme commander, and as its community has been
reduced to old hard-core regulars and almost no one else, they're mostly
polite) 

The only real complaint I have about the one-profile system is that I wish
it didn't apply to offline play. The lack of LAN play annoys the hell out
of me too. Not to mention that I hate that the game has to phone home. I
still play games that are twenty years old; the idea that SC2 will simply
*not work* once Blizzard is out of business (no company lasts forever) is
one that bothers me greatly. 

>>> Anyone know how to flush my profile and start the game over again? My
>>> options right now seem to be continue my current game or never play it
>>> again. That's retarded ... or I am.
>>
>> I've never seen a game that didn't allow that.
> 
> Exactly. But I can't see how.

There's a "New Campaign" button under single player, I believe; that may be
what you want.

--

Tasogare

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:35:07 -0400, Tasogare <none@none.none> wrote:

>The only real complaint I have about the one-profile system is that I wish
>it didn't apply to offline play. The lack of LAN play annoys the hell out
>of me too. Not to mention that I hate that the game has to phone home. I
>still play games that are twenty years old; the idea that SC2 will simply
>*not work* once Blizzard is out of business (no company lasts forever) is
>one that bothers me greatly. 

Are you telling me that Starcraft 2 won't work in single player mode
without a BattleNet connection?

Mike S. ha scritto:
> Are you telling me that Starcraft 2 won't work in single player mode
> without a BattleNet connection?

I think it does but you can't save achievements?

On 9/13/2010 8:44 AM, DeSangre wrote:
> Mike S. ha scritto:
>> Are you telling me that Starcraft 2 won't work in single player mode
>> without a BattleNet connection?
>
> I think it does but you can't save achievements?

A connection *is* required even for single player mode.


   - Sheldon

Tasogare wrote:
>
> <delurk>  I for one welcome the one-profile thing; there's a couple reasons
> for it that I don't think anyone else has mentioned. Maybe no one here
> plays multiplayer much. I guess I'll represent the multiplayer contingent.
>
> In Warcraft 3 smurphing was rampant on the multiplayer ladder.

I never played Warcraft 3 online so I'll take your word for it.

I know I am not alone in disliking this DRM method. It's not the 
Internet connection/phone home part that bugs me (I have a good and 
reliable connection). What bugs me is having to create a unique profile 
for all of my games even though I never play any of them online.

Late at night I often feel like playing something for a bit before bed. 
Oops. Can't just insert the disk, gotta log in. What e-mail address or 
username did I use for this game I installed three years ago? Hmm ... 
not that one. Maybe I'll try this? Nope. Rats.

For all the games that require the CD in the drive I can just write this 
info on a post-it-note but for all my No CD required games I'm gonna 
have to start a little notepad with all my account logins and passwords.

Thanks for your post.


   - Sheldon, last of the 'doesn't play online games' gamers

On 9/13/2010 10:29 AM, Sheldon England wrote:
>
> - Sheldon, last of the 'doesn't play online games' gamers

I guess that makes me the second to last?

-- 
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stick."

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:44:03 +0200, DeSangre wrote:

> Mike S. ha scritto:
>> Are you telling me that Starcraft 2 won't work in single player mode
>> without a BattleNet connection?
> 
> I think it does but you can't save achievements?

I just checked this -- you can play single player without a connection, but
it looks like you need to connect at least once before it will let you do
so. 

Though it's mostly irrelevant to me because you certainly can't play
multiplayer without a bnet connection, and multiplayer is what I'm mostly
interested in. So for all practical purposes, once battlenet is dead
sometime in the distant future, the game doesn't work anymore. 

--

Tasogare

In article <3o0b19w9tctl$.1cpijml0xza9h$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Tasogare  <none@none.none> wrote:
>The only real complaint I have about the one-profile system is that I wish
>it didn't apply to offline play. The lack of LAN play annoys the hell out
>of me too. Not to mention that I hate that the game has to phone home. I
>still play games that are twenty years old; the idea that SC2 will simply
>*not work* once Blizzard is out of business (no company lasts forever) is
>one that bothers me greatly. 

Yah, this bothers me too.  I wasn't really thinking about getting
Starcraft 2, but Civilization V might be the first game in the series
I take pass on because it's tied to Steam.

						Ross Ridge

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On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:43:17 -0400, Ross Ridge
<rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

>Yah, this bothers me too.  I wasn't really thinking about getting
>Starcraft 2, but Civilization V might be the first game in the series
>I take pass on because it's tied to Steam.
>
>						Ross Ridge

Me too.

Steve

On the 13 Sep 2010, Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

> On 9/13/2010 10:29 AM, Sheldon England wrote:
>>
>> - Sheldon, last of the 'doesn't play online games' gamers

> I guess that makes me the second to last?

I don't bother with them either, even on broadband. Last online game I 
played was either the Planetary Raiders beta or the Subspace (IIRC) 
beta and that was back in the late 1990s.

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On the 14 Sep 2010, Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

<snip>

> but Civilization V might be the first game in the series I take pass
> on because it's tied to Steam.

Is it? Oh well, more money saved there then. Might actually get some 
more Civ IV Complete played, still can't believe how cheap it was.

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