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Raven (Raven) wrote:

>I saw this game in Electronic Botique today and was wondering if
>anyone has it and what they think.  It was rumored that units can be
>configured to fight with things like swords and bows, is this the
>case?

Yes, this is the case.  Lots of cool stuff has been added to the game.
My only complaint about the game is that's it's not Empire.  Not at
all.  It's no longer a world conquest game. It's a scenario based game
like so many others out there.  What's the point?

Capt Stern (cpts...@wolfenet.com) wrote:
: In article <43k5pv$f...@news2100.microsoft.com>,
:    ric...@microsoft.com (Richard Sauer) wrote:
: >Raven (Raven) wrote:
: >
: >>I saw this game in Electronic Botique today and was wondering if
: >>anyone has it and what they think.  It was rumored that units can be
: >>configured to fight with things like swords and bows, is this the
: >>case?
: >
: >Yes, this is the case.  Lots of cool stuff has been added to the game.
: >My only complaint about the game is that's it's not Empire.  Not at
: >all.  It's no longer a world conquest game. It's a scenario based game
: >like so many others out there.  What's the point?
: >
: I am very disappointed in the game.  It's a pretty good, uncomplicated war 
: game.  This wasn't what I wanted.  I like empire... take over the world, 
: capture resources (cities) to build more units, etc.  Now it's just another 
: war game much like all the others with nothing to make it worth recommending 
: to fans of the original.


The game IS quite different from deluxe -- in short, smaller scale and NO 
PRODUCTION.  But does this make it a bad game?  Or just a mis-marketed game?

I think the game is truly excellent.  The features of it that I found
compelling (parallel turn structure, different tech levels, full-featured
editor, nice interface, and easy networkabilty) are discussed in my longer
review posted a bit ago to this newsgroup.  While some people may be
disappointed b/c of expectations about getting a better strategic level
game, they obviously 
1) didn't give the game a chance or 
2) failed to read the back of the box before they bought the thing. 

So in short: if you want an excellent tactical level game (think perfect 
general series but much better done) buy it.  If you want a strategic 
conquest / empire deluxe type game you may still like it, but it is quite 
different.  The joy of the game is playing against other humans and 
dealing with limited time and information in giving orders to your 
troops, and then watching your plans as they are carried out (and then 
your troops get butchered by unexpected artillery fire or you succeed in 
rolling up someone's flank).  THis game has much of the feel of the best 
table-top simulations, and a computer implementation makes line-of -sight 
and parallel execution of orders possible.  

So.  Go buy it.  Play it a while.  Write scenarios for people on the 
net.  Stop bitching that it isn't empire deluxe II and start critiquing 
it on its own merits.
sd

cpts...@wolfenet.com (Capt Stern) wrote:

>I am very disappointed in the game.  It's a pretty good, uncomplicated war 
>game.  This wasn't what I wanted.  I like empire... take over the world, 
>capture resources (cities) to build more units, etc.  Now it's just another 
>war game much like all the others with nothing to make it worth recommending 
>to fans of the original.


Hmmm....after that hack job with your falsies and untruths of
UF '95, I take any reviews by you with a good 10 pounds worth grain 
of salt.

In article <43nqar$6...@antares.en.com>, Jay...@en.com wrote:
>cpts...@wolfenet.com (Capt Stern) wrote:
>
>>I am very disappointed in the game.  It's a pretty good, uncomplicated war 
>>game.  This wasn't what I wanted.  I like empire... take over the world, 
>>capture resources (cities) to build more units, etc.  Now it's just another 
>>war game much like all the others with nothing to make it worth recommending 
>>to fans of the original.
>
>
>Hmmm....after that hack job with your falsies and untruths of
>UF '95, I take any reviews by you with a good 10 pounds worth grain 
>of salt.
>

Hey Gary,
Get a life, get in therapy, or just grow up.
That wasn't a review.  It was a reply to a request for info.  Is e2 more like 
Perfect General or Empire Deluxe? (don't answer, you'd only lie again)
Everyone who has seen those games would concur E2 is a nice addition to the 
fans of PG, PG2, etc.  It has nothing to do with empire building games such as 
Empire Dlx, Civiilization etc.
As for UF'95.  Unlike you I presented both the means I used to derive my 
results and the methodology for anyone else with the inclination to duplicate 
the results.  
I don't like liars.  And you most certainly are the worst sort.  I posted a 
review of a game.  A service to others who care to read it.  Since you were 
one of only 2 or 3 people who thought the AI was challenging, I guess we can 
assume you're somewhat challenged mentally so let me be plain.
Leave me alone.  I never got in your shit, get out of mine.

>>Capt Stern, aka Bjorn, I think everyone should ignore you due
>>to the fact you are a loser.
>> [etc.]

>Here are your major problems:
>1. You are slimeball
> [etc.]

Please continue this in e-mail, not in this newsgroup. I doubt
anyone else wants to hear the rest of this.

Thanks.

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| Dave O'Brien - Watcom International - dob...@watcom.on.ca
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In article <43nqar$6...@antares.en.com>, Jay...@en.com wrote:

> cpts...@wolfenet.com (Capt Stern) wrote:
> 
> >I am very disappointed in the game.  It's a pretty good, uncomplicated war 
> >game.  This wasn't what I wanted.  I like empire... take over the world, 
> >capture resources (cities) to build more units, etc.  Now it's just another 
> >war game much like all the others with nothing to make it worth recommending 
> >to fans of the original.
> 
> 
> Hmmm....after that hack job with your falsies and untruths of
> UF '95, I take any reviews by you with a good 10 pounds worth grain 
> of salt.

C'mon, there was no need for that personal attack! He wasn't referring to
you or anything you  said. Why are you trying to pick a fight that will
clutter up the forum?

Henri

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Henri H. Arsenault
ars...@phy.ulaval.ca