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Article #716726Re: OT: Update on Forte Agent, Unicode, and phone calls from the past...
From: john... John Lewis
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:54
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:54
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:02:31 -0500, Zaghadka <zagh...@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:23:00 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, >Zaghadka wrote: > >>1992 called, and it wants its data transfer problem back. >> >>[...] >> >>Yikes. > >I've done some research, and Agent still has the goofy .COD conversion >files right up to the present version, and no actual direct Unicode >support that I could find. I never had a need to use it, so I never >checked. There's all sorts of options to use, or allow use of UTF-8, in >"languages," but it's broken. So it looks like no amount of upgrading >will fix Forte's sorry kludge of Unicode "support." > >So even when it converts the Base64 properly to UTF-8, as version 3.3 and >7.0 do, Agent's internal code page conversion is going to read the UTF-8 >and turn it into "???????????" because it doesn't match some arbitrary >256 character code page. Which is exactly what happened in my case. > >This happens even if I choose UTF-8 as my "default charset" (Note: UTF-8 >is not a character set, that's what the Universal Character Set is). Even >if I tell it to send messages in UTF-8, or "allow" UTF-8, Agent has it's >own panoply of code pages from the 1980's, and diligently and efficiently >breaks Unicode by ignoring anything that doesn't match the particular >single page you've chosen to load. It doesn't ship with a real UTF-8 >option, near as I can tell. It lets you use UTF-8, but only insofar that >you can convert it to a code page from the early eighties. If you look in >the .COD files, it's a one byte code page to three byte Unicode >conversion table. > >And yes, technically this means I was, in the strictest sense, wrong to >call UTF-8 a "code page," as there is a distinction to be made between >*any* UCS character encoding scheme and this sort of rank barbarism. > >tl;dr: > > "1983 called; it wants it's international character display issues back. >It makes the previous 1992 phone call seem timely and topical." > >Please, someone tell me I'm wrong about this. I can't believe they >haven't fixed this by now. Is it really that hard to implement Unicode? > >P.S.: I pulled your post in Thunderbird, Andrew, and it had no problems >whatsoever with it. Standards compliance FTW. > >-- >Zag > >No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had >spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten Er, please read my latest posting in the original thread from which this one got spawned by you. Contamination of these newsgroups by things other that plain-text has a rather unsavory history. John Lewis
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