🚀 go-pugleaf

So?

Its a pretty sad lookout in space sim games or any other kind of sims for 
that matter, when you start to look forward to an 'X' game. PC games 
development hasnt been so bad for years. I see these last few years as a 
large black hole in PC gaming - and games like 'X' are doing nothing to 
remedy the situation. Stop giving these guys your money for goodnessake! 
Then we might actually get a space sim worth buying.

Nats

"Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote in message 
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> www.egosoft.com
>
> Its on its way guys!
>
> Ceo-
> 

What do you want in a space sim Nats?

The technology involved in making a space sim with excellent *gameplay*
is not too overwhelming for an indie developer, so I think your best
chance of getting what you want is getting involved with a promising
indie product.

My game, Axiomatic, represents a bit of a clean slate in terms of
gameplay. Right now it's just good clean space fragging fun, but the
important upside of this is that great ideas from the community can
make it into the next version!

Tell me your great ideas: alphageek@ten-ninjas.com
Or check out the demo: http://ten-ninjas.com

No multiplayer. Pass

-- 
Arcturus

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> www.egosoft.com
>
> Its on its way guys!
>
> Ceo-
> 

"Arcturus" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> No multiplayer. Pass
>
> -- 
> Arcturus

And this in another false idea that games have to have great multiplayer to 
be a good game - cant you see that by demanding this kind of thing you are 
killing the space sim genre? Whats wrong with a game with strong gameplay 
and reasonable graphics. I have played about ten games online in total and I 
cant say Ive ever wanted to return since.

I will be very surprised if there is a PC gaming industry at all in another 
twenty years the way we're going.

The whole thing is turning into a money spinning industry for the men in 
suits. And I would imagine there are a hell of a lot of men in suits 
regularly meeting at the X headquarters. Im all for continuing the space sim 
market but if this is the only option forget it.

Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered into 
thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they 
never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X. 
There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever it 
is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy any 
more of this crap.

Nats 

"Arcturus" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> No multiplayer. Pass
>
> -- 
> Arcturus

Of which I am the many others are extremely grateful, I probably _wouldn't_ 
get it if it was multi player. Why ruin a good game with other players?

Ceo- 

"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> So?
>
> Its a pretty sad lookout in space sim games or any other kind of sims for 
> that matter, when you start to look forward to an 'X' game. PC games 
> development hasnt been so bad for years. I see these last few years as a 
> large black hole in PC gaming - and games like 'X' are doing nothing to 
> remedy the situation. Stop giving these guys your money for goodnessake! 
> Then we might actually get a space sim worth buying.
>
> Nats

Thanks for the opinion, like arseholes they are I guess.

Anyway, this is a space sim group, and the X games are space sims, and many 
people enjoy them. So instead of posting an inane response just go check it 
out. The game has been improved on by the people who played the first two 
games.

I.e. the fans had direct imput into MOST aspects of this game, egosoft 
formed a group called DevNet and let fans with scripting/economic etc 
experience in the X games in it. They've all contributed and frankly I think 
this game is going to be fantastic. Larger, more free form sectors, better 
scale aspects due to a bloody good looking engine, better economy, in fact 
this is a major thing, the economy is going to be much more on the "alive" 
side of things than it was in the previous X's. Other NPC's will be in 
competition, direct and indirect with the PC, they will be trying to form 
their own empires, explore, capture ships, and so on. You can choose to 
interact with these NPC's by taking them on or you can ignore them and just 
play the plot missions.

Anyway, thats this arseholes opinion :)

Ceo- 

"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered into 
> thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they 
> never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X. 
> There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever it 
> is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy any 
> more of this crap.

Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that after I've 
heard more of where you've came from and your experience.

I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like the 
X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that 
Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft 
isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think 
there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in 
contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to 
produce a good game for them.

Again, just my opinion and observation.

Ceo- 

Quoth The Raven: Arcturus <nospam@nospam.com> in
4302c9ac$0$78593$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net
> No multiplayer. Pass
>

i never play mp online, only at lans, and this isnt a popular lan title
-- 
"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of
fools. Let's start with typewriters." - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)

Take out the _CURSING to reply to me 

Quoth The Raven: Arcturus <nospam@nospam.com> in
4302c9ac$0$78593$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net
> No multiplayer. Pass
>

with MP this game will be just another PvP, no thanks

-- 
"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Take out the _CURSING to reply to me 

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote:

>"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
>news:ddus97$oos$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>
>> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered into 
>> thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they 
>> never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X. 
>> There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever it 
>> is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy any 
>> more of this crap.
>
>Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that after I've 
>heard more of where you've came from and your experience.
>
>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like the 
>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that 
>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft 
>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think 
>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in 
>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to 
>produce a good game for them.

I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if the
systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I will
pass regardless.

"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> 
> wrote:

>>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like the
>>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that
>>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft
>>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think
>>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in
>>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to
>>produce a good game for them.
>
> I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
> with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if 
> the
> systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I 
> will
> pass regardless.

Ok, well I will be buying the game, and I am at least semi literate, I will 
write up a review once its up. I know it may be biased but I'm generally 
pretty critical as well, if something is annoying me then its annoying me 
and no bias will get rid of that.

So... watch this space :)

Ceo- 

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:15:47 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote:

>"Memnoch" <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
>news:npv6g1l5sstdd6rlbjr4ek0q9p0tv9pqv5@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> 
>> wrote:
>
>>>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like the
>>>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that
>>>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft
>>>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think
>>>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in
>>>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to
>>>produce a good game for them.
>>
>> I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
>> with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if 
>> the
>> systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I 
>> will
>> pass regardless.
>
>Ok, well I will be buying the game, and I am at least semi literate, I will 
>write up a review once its up. I know it may be biased but I'm generally 
>pretty critical as well, if something is annoying me then its annoying me 
>and no bias will get rid of that.
>
>So... watch this space :)

I just had a newsletter come through from Egosoft and some of the new
screenshots look pretty good but not a single one they have released that I
have seen show the user interface. There is one interesting shot which looks
like the ship is in low orbit or the planet is really massive. But I still
think there will be roughly flat square grid, the stations will be located on
or around that axis with maybe a gate at each cardinal direction and planetary
bodies will be far off in the distance being nothing more than visual fluff.
Hope I'm wrong of course but there you go. Come on Egosoft, make my day! ;-)

Quoth The Raven: Memnoch <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com>
in npv6g1l5sstdd6rlbjr4ek0q9p0tv9pqv5@4ax.com
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet>
> wrote:
>
>> "Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ddus97$oos$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>>
>>> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered
>>> into thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting.
>>> And they never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to
>>> the original X. There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X
>>> the rerun' or whatever it is will be exactly the same again. Dont
>>> believe the hype. And dont buy any more of this crap.
>>
>> Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that
>> after I've heard more of where you've came from and your experience.
>>
>> I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did
>> like the X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess
>> twanging that Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will
>> still buy it, egosoft isn't a huge company, I dont think there are
>> as many suits as you think there would be, personally it seems like
>> a company that is heavily in contact with their fans via their
>> forums etc, and one that just wants to produce a good game for them.
>
> I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt
> once with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo.
> Plus if the systems are yet another tiny little grid around which
> nothing happens I will pass regardless.

I was disappointed by X2 mainly because it wouldn't play. I installed it 
from the box, no go. I patched it, no go. it wasn't fair as I actually 
paid for this game. I got it from a bargain bin so I couldn't return it.

-- 
A clean house is a sign of a misspent life.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:44:06 +0100, "Nats"
<nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>So?
>
>Its a pretty sad lookout in space sim games or any other kind of sims for 
>that matter, when you start to look forward to an 'X' game. PC games 
>development hasnt been so bad for years. I see these last few years as a 
>large black hole in PC gaming - and games like 'X' are doing nothing to 
>remedy the situation. Stop giving these guys your money for goodnessake! 
>Then we might actually get a space sim worth buying.

Stan, if we stop buying space-sims, even crap space-sims, then the
people who might develop decent space-sims will turn their attentions
elsewhere.

Lemming
-- 
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.

Now that is a very good point which has been raised on other sim genres such 
as flight sims and sub sims and whether people should buy sims just to 
encourage developers to make them. But I'm a gamer that values my money. I 
dont just buy a game to pay for development. I buy a game to play and have a 
bit of fun away from work.

Perhaps I have become spoilt by some minority games like Rome Total War, 
Frontier, Falcon 4, Call of Duty and Halflife that have melded their 
ingredients to produce classic games - even games like Wing Commander were 
great as I see them!

But also I guess I find it difficult to understand how a carefully crafted 
game like X isnt better. Sure it has nice graphics theres no arguing that. 
But the gameplay just seems so barren. I actually find playing the game to 
be a rather depressing experience because of it. I actually feel quite empty 
whilst playing and I come away from the computer feeling like Ive wasted 
hours of my life. Now that surely cant be good!

I can explain what things X needs to be great. And they all revolve around 
simple changes to the gameplay. But there just doesnt seem to be anyone in 
the development team who seems to see eye to eye with me. Instead of adding 
the things that I feel would be crucial they instead tinker with the 
commerce system or add larger space stations. These are things I do not care 
about personally. What I really want to do is have the flexibility to fly 
anywhere in the universe in a semi-realistic(!) manner and fly down to the 
planet surfaces and land myself. I want there to be a challenge in actually 
flying the craft whilst avoiding Spacial phenomenon. I want to be able to 
learn some skills that will make me better at the game over time. Elite had 
these kinds of things, that are solid, fun gameplay features. I cant see any 
of this kind of thing in the X games. They are games for another type of 
person that I am, and every time I buy one I am hoping that this time just 
perhaps they have got it right. So far they havent got it even near. I'll 
not be buying anymore. Its sad that this is the only space simulation in 
development it really is, but Im not funding developers with such limited 
vision. Thats how I feel.

Nats

"Lemming" <thiswillbounce@bumblbee.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:44:06 +0100, "Nats"
> <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>So?
>>
>>Its a pretty sad lookout in space sim games or any other kind of sims for
>>that matter, when you start to look forward to an 'X' game. PC games
>>development hasnt been so bad for years. I see these last few years as a
>>large black hole in PC gaming - and games like 'X' are doing nothing to
>>remedy the situation. Stop giving these guys your money for goodnessake!
>>Then we might actually get a space sim worth buying.
>
> Stan, if we stop buying space-sims, even crap space-sims, then the
> people who might develop decent space-sims will turn their attentions
> elsewhere.
>
> Lemming
> -- 
> Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat. 

"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> I can explain what things X needs to be great. And they all revolve around 
> simple changes to the gameplay. But there just doesnt seem to be anyone in 
> the development team who seems to see eye to eye with me. Instead of 
> adding the things that I feel would be crucial they instead tinker with 
> the commerce system or add larger space stations. These are things I do 
> not care about personally. What I really want to do is have the 
> flexibility to fly anywhere in the universe in a semi-realistic(!) manner 
> and fly down to the planet surfaces and land myself. I want there to be a 
> challenge in actually flying the craft whilst avoiding Spacial phenomenon. 
> I want to be able to learn some skills that will make me better at the 
> game over time. Elite had these kinds of things, that are solid, fun 
> gameplay features. I cant see any of this kind of thing in the X games. 
> They are games for another type of person that I am, and every time I buy 
> one I am hoping that this time just perhaps they have got it right. So far 
> they havent got it even near. I'll not be buying anymore. Its sad that 
> this is the only space simulation in development it really is, but Im not 
> funding developers with such limited vision. Thats how I feel.

Hey Nats, sorry to be flogging a dead horse here but I just thought of 
something that might make you appreciate the X Universe a bit more.

No I'm not holding my breath, but I've just finished reading some fan 
fiction by a _very_ good author. He has written 3 novel sized stories (with 
one more to go I think) about the X Universe and some characters in it. His 
method of writing is good, but what's better is the background he provides 
into the X Universe. He provides us information about the sectors, and 
brings into the light concepts like deep space, and the relations the 
sectors have in regards to their solar systems. How the majority of the 
known species don't even know where they are in relation to the galaxy. How 
the Xenon has interstellar capability and has fleets of capital ships 
lurking out beyond the sectors, deep in space.

He adds some great new concepts to it, and as far as I can tell they meld 
fantastically into the world we play in. To me reading his work made me want 
to jump back into X2 simply because it seems so much more developed.

The website that you can find them on (and no I've nothing to do with it and 
there are no banners!) is:

http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/

The ones you want to look at is Traders Tale by Mercenary, the rest are good 
too but the TT are by far the most professional and well written.

Anyway, just thought I would try to help alleviate that empty feeling you 
mentioned. There is a great deal of life and background to the X Universe, 
it just has to be found.

Ceo- 

I they make it with decent missions and multiplayer ill buy it. Would
love to geta pirate clan together and build an empire.

Also they realy have to get a decent combat engine up. No shoot the
ship a certian ammount of times tillit dies. have sub systems and
tergetinng. So you can take out the engines or weapons or comms.
Depending on what your looking at doing.


But alas i think they dont listen. if the same crap as X2 i wont be
bothering. make it fun and put a dcent interface on it and i might
download the pirated version atleast :0

Bye.


On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:18:45 GMT, Memnoch
<memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> wrote:
>
>>"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 
>>news:ddus97$oos$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>>
>>> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered into 
>>> thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they 
>>> never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X. 
>>> There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever it 
>>> is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy any 
>>> more of this crap.
>>
>>Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that after I've 
>>heard more of where you've came from and your experience.
>>
>>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like the 
>>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that 
>>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft 
>>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think 
>>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in 
>>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to 
>>produce a good game for them.
>
>I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
>with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if the
>systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I will
>pass regardless.

I agree with all of that. I keep thinking that perhaps theyve got their act 
together this time. But they never do and the new X games are always the 
same as the others except for slightly better graphics. This time there were 
words going around that they would have full planet landings. Well now Ive 
heard that that isnt the case anymore - and even if they had introduced this 
it would have just been FMV alomost certainly in my mind! I have seen the 
various previews for X3 but Im still wondering to myself what on earth would 
actually make me want to buy this game again? I cant see anything new that 
sounds remotely interesting to me. Theres loads they could add, I'm sure 
most of us here could write a list of 20 major things they could immediately 
add to increase the fun gameplay. But they just dont seem to ever listen to 
anyone other than a few nutters somewhere who keep asking for more trading! 
Must be the same two people that keep buying every game and keep the forum 
going. I know I got fed up with X2 after a couple of days of buying it. I 
uninstalled it and havent even got near to putting it back on my computer.

Nats

"Alice Rembrant" <Al8181@tpg.com.au> wrote in message 
news:vosqj11dlehri1k4glruu3003lk93ekbi3@4ax.com...
>
>
> I they make it with decent missions and multiplayer ill buy it. Would
> love to geta pirate clan together and build an empire.
>
> Also they realy have to get a decent combat engine up. No shoot the
> ship a certian ammount of times tillit dies. have sub systems and
> tergetinng. So you can take out the engines or weapons or comms.
> Depending on what your looking at doing.
>
>
> But alas i think they dont listen. if the same crap as X2 i wont be
> bothering. make it fun and put a dcent interface on it and i might
> download the pirated version atleast :0
>
> Bye.
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:18:45 GMT, Memnoch
> <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:ddus97$oos$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered 
>>>> into
>>>> thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they
>>>> never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X.
>>>> There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever 
>>>> it
>>>> is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy 
>>>> any
>>>> more of this crap.
>>>
>>>Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that after 
>>>I've
>>>heard more of where you've came from and your experience.
>>>
>>>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like 
>>>the
>>>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that
>>>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft
>>>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think
>>>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in
>>>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to
>>>produce a good game for them.
>>
>>I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
>>with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if 
>>the
>>systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I 
>>will
>>pass regardless.
> 

The interface was HOIRRIBLE. Somthing i used to use on old BBS systems
ages ago. But they were easier to use :)

Would love to capture many ships and planets and resorses and build
and empire. And then create a larger empire with alliances with other
players online. And then  either uphold the law or  attack other
alliances and make a shit storm of trouble. And all in the middle of
this traders getting their JOLLYS in the middle of all that caos. 

Getting great trades because of trade lanes being shut down resorses
being sacres like the real deal. Not like in X@ where trading was
PATHWTIC nothing real about that. You could have a kack full iunvasion
and the prices of resorses woulf be probthe same and no real reason to
trade unless ytour a real Tarade freak.


Give me an easy way to command my fleet and ill buy the game and
ourfitr it. I hated that their were diffeent statiosn for everything.
I would like to order stuff and they deliver it to your ship and
installit. Now that would be great. That alone would make me want to
buy the game. Might take longer but you can do that and get on with
the game and get a message later thats its ready to go and then you
just asign the ship to whatevber you wanted it to do :)

We can only hope. Much much more i would like in the game but not
hopfull.
Bye.



On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:04:04 +0100, "Nats"
<nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>I agree with all of that. I keep thinking that perhaps theyve got their act 
>together this time. But they never do and the new X games are always the 
>same as the others except for slightly better graphics. This time there were 
>words going around that they would have full planet landings. Well now Ive 
>heard that that isnt the case anymore - and even if they had introduced this 
>it would have just been FMV alomost certainly in my mind! I have seen the 
>various previews for X3 but Im still wondering to myself what on earth would 
>actually make me want to buy this game again? I cant see anything new that 
>sounds remotely interesting to me. Theres loads they could add, I'm sure 
>most of us here could write a list of 20 major things they could immediately 
>add to increase the fun gameplay. But they just dont seem to ever listen to 
>anyone other than a few nutters somewhere who keep asking for more trading! 
>Must be the same two people that keep buying every game and keep the forum 
>going. I know I got fed up with X2 after a couple of days of buying it. I 
>uninstalled it and havent even got near to putting it back on my computer.
>
>Nats
>
>"Alice Rembrant" <Al8181@tpg.com.au> wrote in message 
>news:vosqj11dlehri1k4glruu3003lk93ekbi3@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I they make it with decent missions and multiplayer ill buy it. Would
>> love to geta pirate clan together and build an empire.
>>
>> Also they realy have to get a decent combat engine up. No shoot the
>> ship a certian ammount of times tillit dies. have sub systems and
>> tergetinng. So you can take out the engines or weapons or comms.
>> Depending on what your looking at doing.
>>
>>
>> But alas i think they dont listen. if the same crap as X2 i wont be
>> bothering. make it fun and put a dcent interface on it and i might
>> download the pirated version atleast :0
>>
>> Bye.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:18:45 GMT, Memnoch
>> <memnoch@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:04:18 +0800, "Ceowulf" <ceo@NOSPAMii.ATALLnet> 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Nats" <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:ddus97$oos$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ive bought every X game going so far - every time Ive been suckered 
>>>>> into
>>>>> thiking that the next one would be the Elite Ive been wanting. And they
>>>>> never have been. In fact X2 is practically identical to the original X.
>>>>> There is no difference! And 'X the return' or 'X the rerun' or whatever 
>>>>> it
>>>>> is will be exactly the same again. Dont believe the hype. And dont buy 
>>>>> any
>>>>> more of this crap.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe my original post was a little harsh, I appologise for that after 
>>>>I've
>>>>heard more of where you've came from and your experience.
>>>>
>>>>I tend to agree with you on most of the things you've said. I did like 
>>>>the
>>>>X's though I guess, and X3 is just once again I guess twanging that
>>>>Frontier:Elite desire. I personally think you will still buy it, egosoft
>>>>isn't a huge company, I dont think there are as many suits as you think
>>>>there would be, personally it seems like a company that is heavily in
>>>>contact with their fans via their forums etc, and one that just wants to
>>>>produce a good game for them.
>>>
>>>I suspect that X3 is really only going to be X-Tension 2.5. Got burnt once
>>>with X2 so I doubt I will get this one without a playable demo. Plus if 
>>>the
>>>systems are yet another tiny little grid around which nothing happens I 
>>>will
>>>pass regardless.
>> 
>

Quoth The Raven: Nats <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> in
dhrvb3$6ic$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk
> I agree with all of that. I keep thinking that perhaps theyve got
> their act together this time. But they never do and the new X games
> are always the same as the others except for slightly better
> graphics. This time there were words going around that they would
> have full planet landings. Well now Ive heard that that isnt the case
> anymore - and even if they had introduced this it would have just
> been FMV alomost certainly in my mind! I have seen the various
> previews for X3 but Im still wondering to myself what on earth would
> actually make me want to buy this game again? I cant see anything new
> that sounds remotely interesting to me. Theres loads they could add,
> I'm sure most of us here could write a list of 20 major things they
> could immediately add to increase the fun gameplay. But they just
> dont seem to ever listen to anyone other than a few nutters somewhere
> who keep asking for more trading! Must be the same two people that
> keep buying every game and keep the forum going. I know I got fed up
> with X2 after a couple of days of buying it. I uninstalled it and
> havent even got near to putting it back on my computer.

i couldnt even get x2 to run after installing it. CTD's every time

-- 
It is easier to love humanity. than one's neighbour. - Eric Hoffer

Take out the _CURSING to reply to me 

"Alice Rembrant" <Al8181@tpg.com.au> wrote in message 
news:uo13k11ditcacp0pkb0tk9m8mlr9h9h73a@4ax.com...
> The interface was HOIRRIBLE. Somthing i used to use on old BBS systems
> ages ago. But they were easier to use :)
>
> Would love to capture many ships and planets and resorses and build
> and empire. And then create a larger empire with alliances with other
> players online. And then  either uphold the law or  attack other
> alliances and make a shit storm of trouble. And all in the middle of
> this traders getting their JOLLYS in the middle of all that caos.

<snip>

> We can only hope. Much much more i would like in the game but not
> hopfull.
> Bye.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:04:04 +0100, "Nats"
> <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I agree with all of that. I keep thinking that perhaps theyve got their 
>>act
>>together this time. But they never do and the new X games are always the
>>same as the others except for slightly better graphics.

<snip>

>>Nats

ANYWAY, now that you two have had your major (and amusing in its over 
eagerness) bitch session how about you wait until the game is released at 
the very least?

Hey I am the first to agree that if the game was more Frontier Elite or 
First Encounters like it would be better. But its not, the games evolved 
from the different ideas and that's that. Obviously you (Nats) ignored my 
email about the fan fiction which gives tremendous life to the world, but 
hey that's your choice.

Anyhoo, please continue with your jumping up and down at how crap you think 
the X series is, don't let me stop you.

Ceo-

The X seris is a pile of shit. And if you lik eit you have Serrios
problems FULLSTOP.



On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:16 +1000, "Highlandish"
<ckreskay_CURSING@dodo.com.au> wrote:

>Quoth The Raven: Nats <nstutt@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> in
>dhrvb3$6ic$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk
>> I agree with all of that. I keep thinking that perhaps theyve got
>> their act together this time. But they never do and the new X games
>> are always the same as the others except for slightly better
>> graphics. This time there were words going around that they would
>> have full planet landings. Well now Ive heard that that isnt the case
>> anymore - and even if they had introduced this it would have just
>> been FMV alomost certainly in my mind! I have seen the various
>> previews for X3 but Im still wondering to myself what on earth would
>> actually make me want to buy this game again? I cant see anything new
>> that sounds remotely interesting to me. Theres loads they could add,
>> I'm sure most of us here could write a list of 20 major things they
>> could immediately add to increase the fun gameplay. But they just
>> dont seem to ever listen to anyone other than a few nutters somewhere
>> who keep asking for more trading! Must be the same two people that
>> keep buying every game and keep the forum going. I know I got fed up
>> with X2 after a couple of days of buying it. I uninstalled it and
>> havent even got near to putting it back on my computer.
>
>i couldnt even get x2 to run after installing it. CTD's every time

Alice Rembrant wrote:
> The X seris is a pile of shit. And if you lik eit you have Serrios
> problems FULLSTOP.

I liked X2.  Not as much as Terminus or IWar1/2, but there isn't much
to choose from wrt 1st person space shooters.  The game has a lot of
potential and I'm happy to see a developer commited to keep plugging
away.  Maybe I'll revisit X when it gets to about X5.

I 'may' revisit an X game 'when' or rather 'if' it ever gets some decent 
planet landing abilities which you can control and are as realistic as 
Elites was. But the game will have to be a bit more interesting to play and 
without the stupid star gate system where it can take a lifetime to get 
across a few different systems. If they could introduce a hyperspace system 
with fuel like Elite then that would be much better. But lets face it I am 
dreaming.

Oh yes and there should be some brilliant beam lasers introduced like 
Frontier, not to mention brighter graphics and more 'down to Earth' feel to 
the game. I just feel that the game designers are trying to hard to be 
artistic and come up with these sparkling dreamy fantastical space stations 
when in actual fact I feel that space travel in the far future will be more 
like Star Wars not 2001. Things should be grimy and broken in places, 
pirates should be rife, police should be seedy, and you should be able to 
hang around in far out systems and live like a pirate without even needing 
to go near the inner systems except for plunder. The game just doesnt have 
any of these aspects - in fact the only way you can play the game at the 
moment is to be a trader. You cant explore, you cant pirate, you cant bounty 
hunt, or run courier becuase all of these aspects ae just really boring to 
do after a few goes. In Frontier you could live a life of exploration or 
being a pirate and never get fed up. Well not for months anyway.

Nats

"FLY135" <fly_135@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1128435273.042427.205570@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Alice Rembrant wrote:
>> The X seris is a pile of shit. And if you lik eit you have Serrios
>> problems FULLSTOP.
>
> I liked X2.  Not as much as Terminus or IWar1/2, but there isn't much
> to choose from wrt 1st person space shooters.  The game has a lot of
> potential and I'm happy to see a developer commited to keep plugging
> away.  Maybe I'll revisit X when it gets to about X5.
>