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r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:
: I heard that this is the most difficult combat in Wizardry 7. Is there
: any one out there who had killed this beast? If so, would you mind sharing
: the experience with me? I found the fire spell has only limited effect on
: this beast. The water spell ( ice ) sometimes has a little effect. What
: about the other? *silence* seems useless. *anti-magic* has about 10-20%
: chance. *Killing* only take about 300-400 hp from it. I suspect there is
: any good way to kill it. I saw somebody was talking about this about 3-4
: months ago. I wasn't worry about this because I was only in the beginning
: of the game. Now, it is my problem. Anyone care to share his ( her ) own
: experience.

:                                                           Li

: PS: Here is the status of my party:
:     1) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use *light sword* & sai.
:     2) Ninja, level 26, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & rod of sprite.
:     3) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & war... ( sword
: ).
:     4) Lord, level 27, armor about -12, use *avenger* & shield.
:     5) bard, level 27, armor about -3, use *Cat of nine tail* & *Pandora wand*.
:     6) Lord, level 27, armor about -9, use *Great Bow* & *Peacemaker*.
:     Is this kind of party still too weak? Please comment.

ugh i remember this fight.  it was a far cry from cake.  what i did was 
throw tons of cloud spells at it.  surprisingly, draining cloud was a 
very good one, as it always worked, but, i couldnt figure out what it 
did.  another goodie was firestorm and acid bomb.  basically, any of the 
cloud spells are your best bet.  i had all of my party hide every 
stinking round of combat and conjured evil nasties that took care of it 
for the most part.  then, i jumped in with my ninja using twin fists of 
doom (well, he did like 30 damage with each of his four attacks of 4 
swings or so), and my samurai using muramasa (actually, not that good of 
a weapon.  did anyone figure out its special power?) and pandora wand, my 
lord with light sword and diamond eyes, and my valkyrie using maenads 
lance (what was that one's special power?  anyone know?)  my spellcasters 
kept lobbing armor shield and other nonsense things on my party to try 
(in vain) to protect them.  i had 2 people die in that combat, but it was 
worth it as far as i remember.  none of the other monsters are NEARLY as 
tough.  the others are very easy, the beast from nine hells is simple: 
hide and lob cloud spells (that poison gas cloud is ESPECIALLY good, as 
if it works, it drains more than 100 hits in a round when cast at REALLY 
high level).  the end guy (that dark savant character) was a wimpy sack 
of protoplasm in comparison to the 1000 eyes.  oh yeah, and save before 
opening each chest.  if you dont like what you got, then reload.
but no, there is no real good way of killing the 1000 eyes goob.  if you 
are hidden, it usually does not do the death killer mondo party screwer 
spell.(which happens to be a higher than 7th level psionic version of 
prismic missile, dazzling lights, i think it was.)  perhaps having 
psionic protection may help some more., i dunn.  try magic screens, they 
sometimes worked.  i remember getting a spell nailed at me which the 
magic screen ""REDUCED" and my character still died.  silly i guess.

enough for now..
Jon

ast...@glue.umd.edu

In a previous posting,  (r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) writes:
> I heard that this is the most difficult combat in Wizardry 7. Is there
> any one out there who had killed this beast? If so, would you mind sharing
> the experience with me? I found the fire spell has only limited effect on
> this beast. The water spell ( ice ) sometimes has a little effect. What
> about the other? *silence* seems useless. *anti-magic* has about 10-20%
> chance. *Killing* only take about 300-400 hp from it. I suspect there is
> any good way to kill it. I saw somebody was talking about this about 3-4
> months ago. I wasn't worry about this because I was only in the beginning
> of the game. Now, it is my problem. Anyone care to share his ( her ) own
> experience.
> 
>                                                           Li
> 
> PS: Here is the status of my party:
>     1) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use *light sword* & sai.
>     2) Ninja, level 26, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & rod of sprite.
>     3) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & war... ( sword
> ).
>     4) Lord, level 27, armor about -12, use *avenger* & shield.
>     5) bard, level 27, armor about -3, use *Cat of nine tail* & *Pandora wand*.
>     6) Lord, level 27, armor about -9, use *Great Bow* & *Peacemaker*.
>     Is this kind of party still too weak? Please comment.

There is no way you'll kill it with a party at that level.  I suggest
going into the dungeon and finding certain intersection where an
encounter will occurr *every* time you enter the square.  There is
only one in that dungeon that I am aware of.  Anyway, keep entering
the square and knock off the demons that attack you until you get 
another 10 levels or so.  Then you can try the beast.  Here are
a few hints.  Try to outfit everyone with bat necklaces, they provide
50% resistance vs. light spells (ie the dazzling ligts mr. eye fires
at you), superman, haste and bless all your fighters, summon a monster
(good idea to do this as soon as possible, just so he has another 
target besides your party), and have a good supply of healing &
curing spells on hand.  If that doesn't work, build up a few more
levels, 'cause this guy is NOT going down easily (the hardest
fight in the whole game).  Good luck, you'll need it. :)
						--Andrew Luyt

P.S. If all else fails, you can always hex edit your savegames. :)

In article <1994Dec9.1...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|> I heard that this is the most difficult combat in Wizardry 7. Is there
|> any one out there who had killed this beast? If so, would you mind sharing
|> the experience with me? I found the fire spell has only limited effect on
|> this beast. The water spell ( ice ) sometimes has a little effect. What
|> about the other? *silence* seems useless. *anti-magic* has about 10-20%
|> chance. *Killing* only take about 300-400 hp from it. I suspect there is
|> any good way to kill it. I saw somebody was talking about this about 3-4
|> months ago. I wasn't worry about this because I was only in the beginning
|> of the game. Now, it is my problem. Anyone care to share his ( her ) own
|> experience.
|> 
|>                                                           Li
|> 
|> PS: Here is the status of my party:
|>     1) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use *light sword* & sai.
|>     2) Ninja, level 26, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & rod of sprite.
|>     3) Ninja, level 27, armor about -19, use sword ( forget ) & war... ( sword
|> ).
|>     4) Lord, level 27, armor about -12, use *avenger* & shield.
|>     5) bard, level 27, armor about -3, use *Cat of nine tail* & *Pandora wand*.
|>     6) Lord, level 27, armor about -9, use *Great Bow* & *Peacemaker*.
|>     Is this kind of party still too weak? Please comment.


I've managed to kill it twice. Usually kills most of my party. Last time
I did it I had:

Ninja,  w/ light sword, pandoras wand
Lord,   w/ excaliber
Samurai w/ murasma blade and wakazashi+1
2 monks w/ Zatochi Bo's
1 Monk  w/ elven bow

Basically, I cast Enchanted blade, armorplate and magic
screen before I go in.

When inside, I cast superman on everyone, an armormelt,
firestorm, poison gas and create life (create life will
actuaaly give a monster that can hurt it, unlike 
conjuration).

Then I start to hack. Sometimes I'll hide a player
and they won't be affected by the dazzling lights.
This way, I can cast some spells (i.e. stone to
flesh, sane mind).

I'd also say my characters were about level 30.

This really takes patience.

Jeff

In article <D0Ktr...@freenet.carleton.ca> av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Luyt) writes:
>In a previous posting,  (r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) writes:

[26-7th level party deleted]

>There is no way you'll kill it with a party at that level.  I suggest
>						--Andrew Luyt


Just as a point of reference, I killed it with party of lower level than
that (at the normal difficulty level).  My tactics were pretty similar to
those posted, with lots of fire shield spells and the like.  Two characters
died, but that looks pretty standard.  I had more trouble with the
super-rattkin (fiend of 9 worlds?  It's been awhile) than the Beast.
Cloud spells didn't work on the Beast very well for me, but summoning
a Godzilli worked well as a distraction.


Derek

In article <77...@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, dmi...@cs.ucsd.edu (Derek Millar) writes:
> In article <D0Ktr...@freenet.carleton.ca> av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Luyt) writes:
>>In a previous posting,  (r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) writes:
> 
> [26-7th level party deleted]
> 
>>There is no way you'll kill it with a party at that level.  I suggest
>>						--Andrew Luyt
> 
> 
> Just as a point of reference, I killed it with party of lower level than
> that (at the normal difficulty level).  My tactics were pretty similar to
> those posted, with lots of fire shield spells and the like.  Two characters
> died, but that looks pretty standard.  I had more trouble with the
> super-rattkin (fiend of 9 worlds?  It's been awhile) than the Beast.
> Cloud spells didn't work on the Beast very well for me, but summoning
> a Godzilli worked well as a distraction.
> 
> 
> Derek

On the contrary, I had little problem with 'fiend of 9 worlds'. It was
pretty easy to find the weakiness of this one. It can not be hurt by any
spell ( as I remember ). BUT, you can use the 'armormelt' on it. Once you
summon another monster like 'Godzilli', you can hind all of your party
member and use hit and run skill ( hit, hind, hit, hind, ...  ). I found
it was pretty easy to kill it this way. When I post the original post, I
thought someone could kill the 'beast of 1000 eyes' without losing any
party member. If this is the normal situation, two members die, I thought
I could deal with it. Thanks for your information.

Jeffrey Burgoyne (burg...@bcarh8fc.bnr.ca) wrote:
: In article <1994Dec9.1...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: |> I heard that this is the most difficult combat in Wizardry 7. Is there
: |> any one out there who had killed this beast? If so, would you mind sharing
: |> the experience with me?

I've killed it, in fact I've killed 2 of them (Hard monster level).
Equipping objects that give you protection from Light is some help 
against the Dazzling Lights.  (Bat necklace or a couple of others.)
Whichever Cloud spell causes Nausea is helpful; that does affect the
Beast sometimes, and causes it to skip turns.  Summon a monster to
help out; this will not do much damage to the Beast, but is important
because sometimes the Beast will attack it instead of you.  Hiding 
in Shadows seems to be pretty useless.  I recommend a higher level 
party, also that you boost your attributes to 20 where possible (buy 
Ankhs from Ke-Li).  A couple of characters did die or get stoned along
the way, but since all my characters could cast the high level healing
spells (HIGHLY recommended) everybody was more or less OK again
when the beasts finally died.  Attack with Swing or Thrust rather 
than Melee, as chances to connect with Melee are close to 0.

In a previous posting, Derek Millar (dmi...@cs.ucsd.edu) writes:
> In article <D0Ktr...@freenet.carleton.ca> av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andrew Luyt) writes:
>>In a previous posting,  (r...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu) writes:
> 
> [26-7th level party deleted]
> 
>>There is no way you'll kill it with a party at that level.  I suggest
>>						--Andrew Luyt
> 
> 
> Just as a point of reference, I killed it with party of lower level than
> that (at the normal difficulty level).  My tactics were pretty similar to
> those posted, with lots of fire shield spells and the like.  Two characters
> died, but that looks pretty standard.  I had more trouble with the
> super-rattkin (fiend of 9 worlds?  It's been awhile) than the Beast.
> Cloud spells didn't work on the Beast very well for me, but summoning
> a Godzilli worked well as a distraction.
> 
Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that I was playing on expert.  Sorry 
about that, so take my previous post with a grain of salt if on one
of the easier settings.
					--Andrew Luyt