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On 6/26/2015 7:21 PM, Justisaur wrote:
> http://gamasutra.com/blogs/FelipePepe/20150625/244262/CRPG_History_Abridged__21_RPGs_that_brought_something_new_to_the_table.php
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> I think the only ones on that list of 21 I have played for sure are Bloodwych and Fable.  I may have played Dungeons of Daggorath as it sounds somewhat familiar, and probably one or two of the Ultimas.
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> Gives me some new old things to look for.
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> - Justisaur
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I have played The Wizardrys  VII & VIII, Ultima VIII, and the World of 
Xeen. I may have played Ultima IV, but the earlier Ultimas all run 
together in my head.

I also played Alternate Reality on my Atari. I remember the game as 
being very difficult and having to map while playing with pencil & 
paper. I certainly wouldn't categorize it as much fun. I never finished it.

D.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://gamasutra.com/blogs/FelipePepe/20150625/244262/CRPG_History_Abridged__21_RPGs_that_brought_something_new_to_the_table.php
>
>I think the only ones on that list of 21 I have played for sure are Bloodwych and Fable.  I may have played Dungeons of Daggorath as it sounds somewhat familiar, and probably one or two of the Ultimas.  
>
>Gives me some new old things to look for.
>
>- Justisaur

Thanks for the list. I like his list. Even the worst RPG I have ever
played, Wizardry IV, does belong on that list I'll admit. It was
certainly innovative, even if it wasn't any fun.

I'm surprised you haven't played the Xeen games. They were pretty
popular in their day. Might and Magic 3, 4 and 5 have aged well.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:21:51 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
<just...@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://gamasutra.com/blogs/FelipePepe/20150625/244262/CRPG_History_Abridged__21_RPGs_that_brought_something_new_to_the_table.php
>
>I think the only ones on that list of 21 I have played for sure are Bloodwych and Fable.  I may have played Dungeons of Daggorath as it sounds somewhat familiar, and probably one or two of the Ultimas.  
>
My playlist was a lot more complete.

Although there were already a lot of Ultimas in that list, Underworld
really deserved a mention. It was the first real smooth-scrolling
first-person ("Doom-like" we called it back then, even though it
preceded Doom by several years) roleplaying game pretty and
definitively put a nail into the coffin the first-person/step-based
RPG genre 

Certainly more worthy an inclusion than Pagan, which really didn't add
anything new to the genre; it wasn't the first  RPG with a dark tone
and its gameplay was in no way innovative. 

Spalls Hurgenson  <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Although there were already a lot of Ultimas in that list, Underworld
>really deserved a mention. It was the first real smooth-scrolling
>first-person ("Doom-like" we called it back then, even though it
>preceded Doom by several years) roleplaying game pretty and
>definitively put a nail into the coffin the first-person/step-based
>RPG genre 

Not only does Ultima Underworld predate Doom, it predates Wolfenstein
3D. And it supports looking up an down, something Doom didn't.

But this and other omitions are apparently due to the list being focused
on "more obscure stuff".  The omition that caught me by surprise, and
had me rechecking the criteria, was having Bloodwych on the list but
only mentioning Dungeon Master.

					Ross Ridge

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On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:41:22 PM UTC-7, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson  <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Although there were already a lot of Ultimas in that list, Underworld
> >really deserved a mention. It was the first real smooth-scrolling
> >first-person ("Doom-like" we called it back then, even though it
> >preceded Doom by several years) roleplaying game pretty and
> >definitively put a nail into the coffin the first-person/step-based
> >RPG genre 
> 
> Not only does Ultima Underworld predate Doom, it predates Wolfenstein
> 3D. And it supports looking up an down, something Doom didn't.
> 
> But this and other omitions are apparently due to the list being focused
> on "more obscure stuff".  The omition that caught me by surprise, and
> had me rechecking the criteria, was having Bloodwych on the list but
> only mentioning Dungeon Master.
>

Yeah, obscure.  Bloodwych seemed like a poor clone of Dungeon Master with a couple interesting innovations.  I just remember it as an o.k. game.  Dungeon Master seemed far more innovative to me.

- Justisaur