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>What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for 
>the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)

I didn't really use any of those, since I used TRS-80 computers, then
didn't touch another for years and didn't game until the 386 was out.

But going back to the 386 and other games of the DOS era.

>Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to 
>work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are 
>emulators available) ^_^

I would love to see remakes of:
Alone in the Dark
Betrayal at Krondor
Blood
Carmageddon
Cybermage: Darklight Awakening
Daggerfall
Descent
Gunship 2000
High Octane
Master of Magic
Privateer
Quarantine
Shadow Caster
Star Trek 25th Anniversary
Syndicate
System Shock
Tie Fighter
Ultima Underworld
X-Com

>If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be 
>added?

For the most part I'd just like to see them remade _ACCURATELY_, not
re-envisioned like that piece of shit Tomb Raider Anniversary that
changed so much stuff it was a different game (a much poorer one).

Actually I'll add the original Tomb Raider to the list since Anniversary
was NOT a remake.

Update the graphics, but leave the gameplay, the story, the interface
alone and stick that console controller up your ass, don't force bad
compromises on games that were never intended to use one just to try and
attract the console crowd who won't buy the games anyway.

Xocyll

"Jet Set Willy"
"Halls Of the Things"
Both mid '80's platform puzzle shooters on Sinclair Spectrum .
IMO they couldn't really be re-made as there character depended on the 
Spectrum.

On the PC.
"Betrayal at Krondor" early '90's action RPG
"Deus Ex" 1st one 2000 action RPG
Be nice to have a 3rd game in the "Star Wars - Knights Of The Old Republic" 
single player early 2000's RPG series.

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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:16:26 GMT, Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for 
>the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)


Some Atari 8-bit titles that bring back fond memories.   Not even
including old PC or Atari ST titles here.  

Drol   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Ku76QlJYA
M.U.L.E 
Archon
Miner 2049er
Blue Max
Boulderdash
Jumpman
International Karate
Necromancer
One on One
Spelunker
Super Cobra
Pitfall

On 7/28/2013 11:16 AM, Warewolf wrote:
> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for
> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)
>
> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to
> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are
> emulators available) ^_^
>
> If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be
> added?
>
> Thank you for your responses.
>
> Enjoy your summer, everyone. ^_^
>
Wasteland

-- 
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hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with 
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate 
wouldn't tolerate.

On 7/28/2013 3:44 PM, Xocyll wrote:
> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> looked up from reading the entrails
> of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for
>> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)
>
> I didn't really use any of those, since I used TRS-80 computers, then
> didn't touch another for years and didn't game until the 386 was out.
>
> But going back to the 386 and other games of the DOS era.
>
>> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to
>> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are
>> emulators available) ^_^
>
> I would love to see remakes of:
> Alone in the Dark
> Betrayal at Krondor
> Blood
> Carmageddon
> Cybermage: Darklight Awakening
> Daggerfall
> Descent
> Gunship 2000
> High Octane
> Master of Magic
> Privateer
> Quarantine
> Shadow Caster
> Star Trek 25th Anniversary
> Syndicate
> System Shock
> Tie Fighter
> Ultima Underworld
> X-Com
>
>> If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be
>> added?
>
> For the most part I'd just like to see them remade _ACCURATELY_, not
> re-envisioned like that piece of shit Tomb Raider Anniversary that
> changed so much stuff it was a different game (a much poorer one).
>
> Actually I'll add the original Tomb Raider to the list since Anniversary
> was NOT a remake.
>
> Update the graphics, but leave the gameplay, the story, the interface
> alone and stick that console controller up your ass, don't force bad
> compromises on games that were never intended to use one just to try and
> attract the console crowd who won't buy the games anyway.
>
> Xocyll
>
I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the 
last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics, 
just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.

-- 
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hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with 
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate 
wouldn't tolerate.

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On 7/28/2013 3:44 PM, Xocyll wrote:
>> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> looked up from reading the entrails
>> of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>>> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for
>>> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)
>>
>> I didn't really use any of those, since I used TRS-80 computers, then
>> didn't touch another for years and didn't game until the 386 was out.
>>
>> But going back to the 386 and other games of the DOS era.
>>
>>> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to
>>> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are
>>> emulators available) ^_^
>>
>> I would love to see remakes of:
>> Alone in the Dark
>> Betrayal at Krondor
>> Blood
>> Carmageddon
>> Cybermage: Darklight Awakening
>> Daggerfall
>> Descent
>> Gunship 2000
>> High Octane
>> Master of Magic
>> Privateer
>> Quarantine
>> Shadow Caster
>> Star Trek 25th Anniversary
>> Syndicate
>> System Shock
>> Tie Fighter
>> Ultima Underworld
>> X-Com
>>
>>> If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be
>>> added?
>>
>> For the most part I'd just like to see them remade _ACCURATELY_, not
>> re-envisioned like that piece of shit Tomb Raider Anniversary that
>> changed so much stuff it was a different game (a much poorer one).
>>
>> Actually I'll add the original Tomb Raider to the list since Anniversary
>> was NOT a remake.
>>
>> Update the graphics, but leave the gameplay, the story, the interface
>> alone and stick that console controller up your ass, don't force bad
>> compromises on games that were never intended to use one just to try and
>> attract the console crowd who won't buy the games anyway.
>>
>> Xocyll
>>
>I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the 
>last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics, 
>just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.

Exactly.
I've yet to see one of those "improvements" in a remade game, movie or
other that was actually an improvement in the minds of anyone but the
author.

Case in point, Quicktime events - I'd like to sledgehammer the balls of
the guy who started that trend.

I'll add one more game to the list:  Daikatana.  It had great AI,
interesting levels and some neat weapons.

Ditch the retarded, offensively stereotyped sidekicks and the leet gamer
speak, update the graphics and there could be quite a decent game once
you wipe the Romero off it.

Xocyll

Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> writes:

> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for 
> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)

I've been reading the Commodore history book starting last week (or
kinda rereading since I've been reading the second edition,
http://www.amazon.com/Commodore-Company-Edge-Brian-Bagnall/dp/0973864966.)
Some fond gaming memories from that era but not that much.

Paradroid is one I've been thinking about recently. There was an update
on the Amiga and a free version "Freedroid" has been around but I
haven't tried either. I remember I was also impressed by the old Space
Taxi with the speech and all back then but it's so long ago. Perhaps the
biggest wow effect were the first coin-op games I saw. Battle Zone,
Centipede, Tempest, Asteroids Deluxe, Gravitar, Jungler, Kangaroo,
Pengo...

When I played some old C64 games in emulators years ago, usually the
graphics were rather off-putting. With arcade games usually the graphics
weren't so bad but the simplistic gameplay didn't grab me that much.

> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to 
> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are 
> emulators available) ^_^

I dunno. I think I'd like some of the old PC stuff more than the 80s
stuff. I wouldn't mind a really modernized X-Wing for example. The old
Windows version was a cheap update. They just updated the in-game vector
graphics to run at 640x480 but bitmap stuff (like the cockpit overlays)
were just scaled so they looked awful.

I remember thinking back then with both X-Wing and Tie Fighter that it
would be cool if you could have a more tactical role in the game so that
if you sent fighters to do something it would actually get done with
some degree of proficiency by your fellow pilots... Way stronger AI in
other words. Especially X-Wing was bad, I think Tie Fighter had somewhat
better AI.

I guess there'll be more Star Wars games and movies coming out but I
doubt Disney will do much good with the franchise.

> If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be 
> added?

Including a level editor is always good IMO.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:14:19 +0300, Anssi Saari <a...@sci.fi> wrote:

>I guess there'll be more Star Wars games and movies coming out but I
>doubt Disney will do much good with the franchise.

With DICE doing Star Wars Battlefront on the FrostBite3 engine, there
is indeed something to look forward to here.

I think EA has another Star Wars game in the making that's coming from
the developers of Dead Space.

In <XnsA20B72B0B380...@69.16.179.20> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> writes:

> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for 
> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)

Atari 800: Spelunker, Shamus, Necromancer
Atari ST: Time Bandit, Oids

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gor...@panix.com              B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
                                -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the 
>last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics, 
>just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.

You can run the orignal X-COM on Windows XP using DosBox no problem.
If you don't have a copy you can buy one Steam that comes already bundled
with DosBox.

I actually like alot of the changes made in X-COM: Apocalypse.  Just not
having to requip all your units at the start of every battle is a big
improvement.  There's a bigger variety missions locations, you're not
fighting over and over in the farm tile most of the time.  Psionics isn't
as unbalanced though teleportation is almost as game breaking.  Even the
new realtime system makes fighting on the larger maps less cumbersome
than it would be in turn-based.

						Ross Ridge

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 db  //	  

On 7/29/2013 8:14 AM, Anssi Saari wrote:
> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> writes:
>
>> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for
>> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)
>
> I've been reading the Commodore history book starting last week (or
> kinda rereading since I've been reading the second edition,
> http://www.amazon.com/Commodore-Company-Edge-Brian-Bagnall/dp/0973864966.)
> Some fond gaming memories from that era but not that much.
>
> Paradroid is one I've been thinking about recently. There was an update
> on the Amiga and a free version "Freedroid" has been around but I
> haven't tried either. I remember I was also impressed by the old Space
> Taxi with the speech and all back then but it's so long ago. Perhaps the
> biggest wow effect were the first coin-op games I saw. Battle Zone,
> Centipede, Tempest, Asteroids Deluxe, Gravitar, Jungler, Kangaroo,
> Pengo...
>
> When I played some old C64 games in emulators years ago, usually the
> graphics were rather off-putting. With arcade games usually the graphics
> weren't so bad but the simplistic gameplay didn't grab me that much.
>
>> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to
>> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are
>> emulators available) ^_^
>
> I dunno. I think I'd like some of the old PC stuff more than the 80s
> stuff. I wouldn't mind a really modernized X-Wing for example. The old
> Windows version was a cheap update. They just updated the in-game vector
> graphics to run at 640x480 but bitmap stuff (like the cockpit overlays)
> were just scaled so they looked awful.
>
> I remember thinking back then with both X-Wing and Tie Fighter that it
> would be cool if you could have a more tactical role in the game so that
> if you sent fighters to do something it would actually get done with
> some degree of proficiency by your fellow pilots... Way stronger AI in
> other words. Especially X-Wing was bad, I think Tie Fighter had somewhat
> better AI.
>
> I guess there'll be more Star Wars games and movies coming out but I
> doubt Disney will do much good with the franchise.
>
Disney immediately killed the next PC-compatible Star Wars game as soon 
as they got control.  They've stated that they will only develop phone 
app Star Wars games, no more PC games from Lucas Arts at all.


-- 
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted, 
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with 
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate 
wouldn't tolerate.

On 7/29/2013 1:32 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the
>> last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics,
>> just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.
>
> You can run the orignal X-COM on Windows XP using DosBox no problem.
> If you don't have a copy you can buy one Steam that comes already bundled
> with DosBox.
>
I've never gotten DosBox to work.


-- 
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted, 
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with 
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate 
wouldn't tolerate.

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 04:26:42 +0400, Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

> I've never gotten DosBox to work.

Download D-Fend Reloaded. It's GUI for DosBox.

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote in news:51f7083f$0$52799
$742e...@news.sonic.net:

> On 7/29/2013 1:32 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the
>>> last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics,
>>> just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.
>>
>> You can run the orignal X-COM on Windows XP using DosBox no problem.
>> If you don't have a copy you can buy one Steam that comes already bundled
>> with DosBox.
>>
> I've never gotten DosBox to work.
> 
> 

Huh?

-- 
Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos         --         the only sysadmins that matter

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:26:42 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 7/29/2013 1:32 PM, Ross Ridge wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler  <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the
>>> last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics,
>>> just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.
>>
>> You can run the orignal X-COM on Windows XP using DosBox no problem.
>> If you don't have a copy you can buy one Steam that comes already bundled
>> with DosBox.
>>
>I've never gotten DosBox to work.

If you buy it through Steam, everything is already set up. You just
click to start like you would any other program. It runs fine on my
Win7-64bit system. 

Rgds, Frank

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:34:24 -0700, Dimensional Traveler wrote:


> I agree with X-Com.  ESPECIALLY without trying to "improve" it like the 
> last three (?) remakes.  I'd settle for not even updating the graphics, 
> just give me the original game able to run on WinXP.

It is able to run on WinXP, and Win7 just by using Dosbox. There is a
version that doesn't even need dosbox but you have to disable directx
hardware acceleration. I have Xcom installed on Win2K right now because
that computer is hooked to a good old fashioned 19" CRT monitor.

But Xeonauts is shaping up to be a worthwhile contender as a successor to
Xcom. I have the beta and like it.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/223830/

http://xenowiki.goldhawkinteractive.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

http://www.goldhawkinteractive.com/forum/

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:26:42 -0700, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

>  I've never gotten DosBox to work.

You didn't read the uinstructions properly then because it even allows you
to play dos games in Linux and I have used it to play Dos games in Linux.
It's easy to use.

On 7/28/2013 2:16 PM, Warewolf wrote:
> What are some of your 'old school' favorites? (These can include games for
> the Apple ][, C=64, Amiga and other personal computers)
>
> Should any of these classic titles get a(nother) remake or get tweaked to
> work with modern operating systems? (Note: I am aware that there are
> emulators available) ^_^
>
> If you'd prefer a remake, should any extra features (ie a level editor) be
> added?
>
> Thank you for your responses.
>
> Enjoy your summer, everyone. ^_^
>


My favorites.....

Shadowgate
Zork Nemesis
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Eye of the Beholder 1-3
Early Ultimas
Gabriel Knight series
Alone in the Dark

I'd prefer remakes and level editors are not important to me


D.

On 7/28/2013 11:31 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 7/28/2013 11:16 AM, Warewolf wrote:
>> What are some of your 'old school' favorites?
 >
> Wasteland

In case you haven't seen it:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

It got more than $2 million above pledge of US$900,000 - not too shabby.