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On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:32:43 +0400, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>
>http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>

A great guy to have around to reverse-engineer games for modern OS
when neither the source-code nor the developers are available :-) :-)

BTW, which of these two entities makes the most positive contribution
to today's PC gaming:--

GOG or Andrew Rybenkov.??

John Lewis

>-- 
>Andrew Rybenkov

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:33:19 GMT, john...@frontier.com (John Lewis)
wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:32:43 +0400, "Andrew Rybenkov"
><aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>
>>http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>
>
>A great guy to have around to reverse-engineer games for modern OS
>when neither the source-code nor the developers are available :-) :-)

So if you want to know the formula for Coca-Cola, but neither the
Chief Chemical Engineer or CEO of the company will return your phone
calls, you're a great guy to have around if you reverse-engineer the
product and produce your own?

>BTW, which of these two entities makes the most positive contribution
>to today's PC gaming:--
>
>GOG or Andrew Rybenkov.??

GOG seems to be the pirates favorite.

I personally would like to contribute to kicking some pirates heads
in, giving them the ass kicking they deserve.

"Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>
>http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/

You don't actually read these before you post them do you?

So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
country?

And when did CD Projekt get formed?
Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.

So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
when it became illegal.

A high schooler who did something that wasn't illegal where he was then
went totally legit, yep he's a criminal for life.

Since he's publicly admitted what he did back then, don't you think he'd
have been arrested and charged if he'd actually committed a crime?

Maybe next you can write about all the people who used cocaine in the
USA when it was still legal and paint them as criminal druggies since
it's not legal there now.

You're not a criminal if what you did is/was legal where/when you did
it.

Xocyll

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:24 -0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
wrote:

>"Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
>entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>say:
>
>>CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>
>>http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>
>You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>
>So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
>country?
>
>And when did CD Projekt get formed?
>Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>
>So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
>when it became illegal.

And realizing how customer-unfriendly DRM was and breaking it on
behalf of the game-players, his company now only sells DRM-free games
INCLUDING THOSE DEVELOPED BY HIS OWN TEAM. 
As the saying goes "Puts his money where his mouth is" by releasing
them DRM-free on Gog.com. If you find the Witcher games released
elsewhere with DRM, please note that is a layer deliberately added by
those game-distributors... Steam, Gamersgate, etc... GOG does not
charge a price-premium for the DRM-free benefit. 

John Lewis

>A high schooler who did something that wasn't illegal where he was then
>went totally legit, yep he's a criminal for life.
>
>Since he's publicly admitted what he did back then, don't you think he'd
>have been arrested and charged if he'd actually committed a crime?
>
>Maybe next you can write about all the people who used cocaine in the
>USA when it was still legal and paint them as criminal druggies since
>it's not legal there now.
>
>You're not a criminal if what you did is/was legal where/when you did
>it.
>
>Xocyll

On 7/9/2013 7:22 AM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:33:19 GMT, john...@frontier.com (John Lewis)
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 07:32:43 +0400, "Andrew Rybenkov"
>> <aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>>
>>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>>
>>
>> A great guy to have around to reverse-engineer games for modern OS
>> when neither the source-code nor the developers are available :-) :-)
>
> So if you want to know the formula for Coca-Cola, but neither the
> Chief Chemical Engineer or CEO of the company will return your phone
> calls, you're a great guy to have around if you reverse-engineer the
> product and produce your own?

The formula for Coca-Cola is equal parts tuna oil and sugar.

-- 
Pirouette

On 7/9/2013 8:25 AM, Xocyll wrote:
> "Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
> say:
>
>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>
>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>
> You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>
> So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
> country?
>
> And when did CD Projekt get formed?
> Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>
> So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
> when it became illegal.
>
> A high schooler who did something that wasn't illegal where he was then
> went totally legit, yep he's a criminal for life.
>
> Since he's publicly admitted what he did back then, don't you think he'd
> have been arrested and charged if he'd actually committed a crime?
>
> Maybe next you can write about all the people who used cocaine in the
> USA when it was still legal and paint them as criminal druggies since
> it's not legal there now.

All those people are dead.

-- 
Pirouette

On 7/9/2013 8:53 PM, John Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:24 -0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>> say:
>>
>>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>>
>>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>
>> You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>>
>> So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
>> country?
>>
>> And when did CD Projekt get formed?
>> Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>>
>> So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
>> when it became illegal.
>
> And realizing how customer-unfriendly DRM was and breaking it on
> behalf of the game-players, his company now only sells DRM-free games
> INCLUDING THOSE DEVELOPED BY HIS OWN TEAM.
> As the saying goes "Puts his money where his mouth is" by releasing
> them DRM-free on Gog.com. If you find the Witcher games released
> elsewhere with DRM, please note that is a layer deliberately added by
> those game-distributors... Steam, Gamersgate, etc... GOG does not
> charge a price-premium for the DRM-free benefit.

What does DRM stand for?

-- 
Pirouette

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:27:53 -0600, Tanzen <waldby...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 7/9/2013 8:53 PM, John Lewis wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:24 -0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>>> say:
>>>
>>>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>>
>>> You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>>>
>>> So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
>>> country?
>>>
>>> And when did CD Projekt get formed?
>>> Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>>>
>>> So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
>>> when it became illegal.
>>
>> And realizing how customer-unfriendly DRM was and breaking it on
>> behalf of the game-players, his company now only sells DRM-free games
>> INCLUDING THOSE DEVELOPED BY HIS OWN TEAM.
>> As the saying goes "Puts his money where his mouth is" by releasing
>> them DRM-free on Gog.com. If you find the Witcher games released
>> elsewhere with DRM, please note that is a layer deliberately added by
>> those game-distributors... Steam, Gamersgate, etc... GOG does not
>> charge a price-premium for the DRM-free benefit.
>
>What does DRM stand for?

You mean in reality?  Or in John's mind?

To John it can be synonymous with authentication to client software,
or anything that doesn't allow him to share and/or install software
with reckless abandon and without limitation, basically equating the
term with "copy protection" and considering the two terms the same.
The term has an extra layer of symbolic importance to him that could
be the subject of an entire book by itself, but you're better off
discarding that definition.

In reality, and outside the walls of insane asylums it stands for
Digital Rights Management, which is a term that was coined to describe
processes or systems for controlling piracy of intellectual property
(music, video, software) by placing limitations on the relationship
between the device and the software.

For example, mandating via software techniques that an MP3 song could
only be played on X number of physical iPods at a time, or that a game
could only be installed on X number of PCs at once.  Note the
relationship betwen the placement of the intellectual property and the
device it is placed on, it is key to differentiating DRM from other
methods of copy protection.

One of the biggest sources of confusion for John seems to be that
Steam does offer game publishers a *optional* DRM service called
"Steamworks DRM" which is in fact a form of DRM, but only a small
number of games sold on Steam (lless than 1% ) actually use Steamworks
DRM (and when they do, it is a choice of the publisher and not Valve.
Valve's own games typically do not utilize Steamworks DRM, even if
they utilize other features of Steamworks like cloud storage).  Some
games sold on Steam do use other forms of DRM, but those DRM
mechanisms are present in the game even when purchased elsewhere, even
if on physical media.  

In almost every case, if a game is DRM-free on GOG, via Humble Bundle
or one of the other venues, it will be DRM-free on Steam as well.

So basically you can just ignore any message from John that contains
the term "DRM" going forward, at least until he figures out what it
really means.

Tanzen <waldby...@yahoo.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 7/9/2013 8:25 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>> "Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>> say:
>>
>>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>>
>>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>
>> You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>>
>> So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
>> country?
>>
>> And when did CD Projekt get formed?
>> Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>>
>> So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
>> when it became illegal.
>>
>> A high schooler who did something that wasn't illegal where he was then
>> went totally legit, yep he's a criminal for life.
>>
>> Since he's publicly admitted what he did back then, don't you think he'd
>> have been arrested and charged if he'd actually committed a crime?
>>
>> Maybe next you can write about all the people who used cocaine in the
>> USA when it was still legal and paint them as criminal druggies since
>> it's not legal there now.
>
>All those people are dead.

I'm sure he can find lots of other "Crimes" committed by people still
alive that were not crimes when they did them.

Like, oh, taking a 1 liter bottle of water on a plane before 2006.
Or any of the other things since banned by the TSA "for your security".

Xocyll

Tanzen <waldby...@yahoo.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 7/9/2013 8:53 PM, John Lewis wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:24 -0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>>> say:
>>>
>>>> CDProjekt CEO is a former cracker and software pirate
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/cdprojekt-ceo-is-a-former-cracker-and-software-pirate.69815/
>>>
>>> You don't actually read these before you post them do you?
>>>
>>> So he was a "pirate" when copying software was NOT ILLEGAL in his
>>> country?
>>>
>>> And when did CD Projekt get formed?
>>> Oh the same year copying software became illegal in that country.
>>>
>>> So he "pirated" when it was legal, then formed his own software company
>>> when it became illegal.
>>
>> And realizing how customer-unfriendly DRM was and breaking it on
>> behalf of the game-players, his company now only sells DRM-free games
>> INCLUDING THOSE DEVELOPED BY HIS OWN TEAM.
>> As the saying goes "Puts his money where his mouth is" by releasing
>> them DRM-free on Gog.com. If you find the Witcher games released
>> elsewhere with DRM, please note that is a layer deliberately added by
>> those game-distributors... Steam, Gamersgate, etc... GOG does not
>> charge a price-premium for the DRM-free benefit.
>
>What does DRM stand for?

Digital Rights Management.

AKA the owner of an IP* or their proxy, determining if you have any
"right" to be using that IP via some kind of registration or
authentication scheme.

IE Skyrim won't run unless Steam is running.  Starting Skyrim without
Steam causes, Steam to start. 

Rin will say this is because Bethesda chose to do this and it has
nothing to do with Valve or Steam, BUT when you try to shut down Steam
while Skyrim is running, Steam will refuse to close until you've shut
down the game.  That most certainly is Valve's doing.

You can however bring up the task manager and kill the steam process and
play without it running, which kinda proves that it IS DRM because it's
not a necessary part of the game itself, the Steam requirement is only
there to check to see if you have the game registered through Steam and
thus have a "legit" copy - It's Managing your Right to use that Digital
property.

* IP = Intellectual Property

Xocyll

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:18:38 +0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote:

> I'm sure he can find lots of other "Crimes" committed by people still
> alive that were not crimes when they did them.

Just stop this embarrassing apology.

He made money by selling others property.
It doesn't matter that Poland permitted the thievery.

And nowadays his company make money by selling someone else' works.
Be it games themselves or cracks by hackers.

PS. I am pretty sure Roberta Williams or Al Lowe do not get a cent
 from those King's Quest, Larry sales.

PPS. BTW, if you are going to stick to this "it was permitted" thing,
I strongly advise you google for "Bokassa cannibalism" and think
how man, who _ate_ thousands peoples, was cleared of the charges in
the court. And what personally you feel about the matter.

-- 
Andrew Rybenkov

"Andrew Rybenkov" <aryb...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
say:

>On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:18:38 +0400, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure he can find lots of other "Crimes" committed by people still
>> alive that were not crimes when they did them.
>
>Just stop this embarrassing apology.
>
>He made money by selling others property.
>It doesn't matter that Poland permitted the thievery.

It matters a great deal.  
You're not a criminal if what you do is not a crime.
When what he had been doing became a crime there, he stopped doing it.

>And nowadays his company make money by selling someone else' works.
>Be it games themselves or cracks by hackers.

They license the games, and the cracks (if they do actually use them)
were always intended to be distributed widely.
If the authors of those cracks want compensation all they'd have to do
is go to court and prove they wrote them.
Of course that would open them to massive legal repercussions under the
DMCA and other things so that's kind of unlikely.

>PS. I am pretty sure Roberta Williams or Al Lowe do not get a cent
> from those King's Quest, Larry sales.

Of course they don't, they don't own the rights, they never owned the
rights, Sierra Entertainment did, and they got bought, transferring
those rights to the new owners (Vivendi Universal, who later merged with
Activision and are now known as Activision Blizzard.)

Activision Blizzard owns King's Quest.

According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com
GOG has signed deals with a number of publishers including:
    Activision
    Adventure Soft
    Apogee Software
    Atari
    Codemasters
    Coktel Vision
    Cyan Worlds
    DotEmu
    Electronic Arts
    Empire Interactive
    Enlight Software
    Epic Games
    Firefly Studios
    Focus Home Interactive
    Frogwares
    Funcom
    Horrorsoft
    Interplay
    JoWooD
    Majesco
    Metropolis Software
    Microïds
    Oddworld Inhabitants
    Rebellion
    Revolution Software
    Running with Scissors, Inc.
    Remedy Entertainment
    Sierra On-Line
    Square Enix
    Strategy First
    Team17
    TopWare Interactive
    Trilobyte
    Ubisoft
    Wordplay LLC (Access Software)

>PPS. BTW, if you are going to stick to this "it was permitted" thing,
>I strongly advise you google for "Bokassa cannibalism" and think
>how man, who _ate_ thousands peoples, was cleared of the charges in
>the court. And what personally you feel about the matter.

Oh you mean the guy who went to court charged with Treason, Murder and
Cannibalism and was cleared of the cannibalism charges because there was
no evidence and convicted of the other charges and sentenced to death?

Gee, what's a court to do, require evidence or just convict based on
rumors?
See
http://histbusters.blogspot.ca/2009/05/cannibal-emperor.html
among others

If he actually ate "thousands of people" there'd have been evidence or
at least some credible witnesses, but neither were ever found.

Occam's Razor: there never was any cannibalism, it was just a smear
campaign to justify his overthrow.


Let me guess, you get all your "facts" from Fox News and the Tabloids?

Xocyll