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K.L. Pittman (cca...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: Anyone know if there will be an Ultima Underworld III?  Perhaps something
: to link Ultima VIII with the upcoming Ultima IX?
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I don't know about Ultima Underworlds III (there have been rumors of this 
forever).  But, I read an article with Richard Garriot of Origin about a 
year ago in which he said that Ultima 9 would be the LAST Ultima game.  
Hence this is why the Avatar becomes so insanely powerful in Ultima 8, 
and also this explains the destruction of Britannia at the end of Ultima 
8.  Ultima 9 is supposed to be called Ascension, and deals with the 
Avatar learning to be a god or something.  

Garriot also said that the next level of RPG from them would be a mixture
of the Ultima games and the Ultima Underworlds game.  A real 3d first 
person perspective quest (shades of TOS:The Arena?).  But he did say that
the Avatar, Lord British and all of Britannia will be no more.

Does anyone know if this is still the case?  I read this article in an 
Electronic Gaming monthly about a year ago.

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						Jim Vieira
						jay...@earth.execpc.com

The folks on the U9 development team are claiming that U9 will take 
place in Britannia.  Whether the destroyed world seen at the end of
U8 is Britannia or something else is still unclear.

U9 is titled "Ascension".  I've read articles claiming that Ultima 10
will be the last one, and that it would be first-person perspective,
like the Underworlds.  Perhaps it would no longer be called Ultima.
Nevertheless, it's all speculation and subject to change, especially
considering that even U9 probably won't be out until at least early '96.

-Robert

On 26 Nov 1994, Jim Vieira wrote:

> 
> K.L. Pittman (cca...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
> : Anyone know if there will be an Ultima Underworld III?  Perhaps something
> : to link Ultima VIII with the upcoming Ultima IX?
> : -- 
> : K.L. Pittman - Sophomore CS Major, and proud of it!
> : Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> : uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ccastkp
> : Internet: cca...@prism.gatech.edu
> 
> I don't know about Ultima Underworlds III (there have been rumors of this 
> forever).  But, I read an article with Richard Garriot of Origin about a 
> year ago in which he said that Ultima 9 would be the LAST Ultima game.  
> Hence this is why the Avatar becomes so insanely powerful in Ultima 8, 
> and also this explains the destruction of Britannia at the end of Ultima 
> 8.  Ultima 9 is supposed to be called Ascension, and deals with the 
> Avatar learning to be a god or something.  

Ideas:
The avatar is really powerful at the end of U8, but still not on the 
Guardian's level.  (Would he really put the avatar in a spot where the
avatar could gain that kind of power?)  This idea of "becoming a god"
would make ordinary mortals utterly useless as help, but U9 is supposed
to give you party members.  (Unless party members in U9 aren't ordinary
mortals, but that would make it about as traditional as U8.)  On a more
practical note, how would you make an interface for godlike powers?  One 
possible reason that you never become a Tempest in U8 is that there's no 
good way to allow players to manipulate that type of innate power.

The Guardian laughs at you at the end of U8.  He obviously doesn't feel 
threatened.  It would be interesting if, after all the trouble you've 
gone to to become powerful, he just strips away all that you gained in U8.   

The real question is, why does the Guardian want the avatar left alive?
There must be some reason why, when he has the avatar in the palm of his
hand, he doesn't just squeeze.


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The Hermit <s010...@cc.ysu.edu> writes:
>The real question is, why does the Guardian want the avatar left alive?
>There must be some reason why, when he has the avatar in the palm of his
>hand, he doesn't just squeeze.

Perhaps because that would be no fun at all?  Wouldn't the guardian really
enjoy putting the avatar in a position where they think they're able to
defeat the guardian... before bringing on his mother?

Alistair
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In article <3b7ui2$4...@homer.alpha.net>, jay...@earth.execpc.com (Jim Vieira) writes:
 
>> I don't know about Ultima Underworlds III (there have been rumors of this 
>> forever).  But, I read an article with Richard Garriot of Origin about a 
>> year ago in which he said that Ultima 9 would be the LAST Ultima game.  
>> [...]
>> 8.  Ultima 9 is supposed to be called Ascension, and deals with the 
>> Avatar learning to be a god or something.  

Oh well, they said many things. Let me collect all rumors I heard.

- After Ultima IV LB pronounced this was the last Ultima.
- About the time of Ultima VI Origin was thinking about Ultima X which
  should support virtual reality.
- There will be no Ultima III, as the contract with Looking Glass is ended
  after System Shock.
- Ultima IX was named Ascension (this is from the times of Ultima VII-1)
  and is supposed to play on the world of the guardian.
- Newest rumors say, Ultima IX is taking place back on Britannia.

Have fun, spreading more rumors:)

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Alistair Brown (A.D....@bradford.ac.uk) wrote:

: The Hermit <s010...@cc.ysu.edu> writes:
: >The real question is, why does the Guardian want the avatar left alive?
: >There must be some reason why, when he has the avatar in the palm of his
: >hand, he doesn't just squeeze.

: Perhaps because that would be no fun at all?  Wouldn't the guardian really
: enjoy putting the avatar in a position where they think they're able to
: defeat the guardian... before bringing on his mother?

I agree.  It seemed to me that the Guardian didn't want to kill the 
Avatar, he just wanted to dump him off somewhere while he destroyed 
Britannia.  I also think the Guardian knew that the Avatar would achieve
ultimate power on Pagan, and WANTED him to do so.  This way the Avatar
could return to Britannia (endgame U8) and see the destruction.  It also
would then allow for a more evenly matched final battle in U9.  This
is the type of logic I see in villians in stories and movies now and 
then.  The bad guy is so confident that he is willing to risk it all just
to gloat over his victim.  But in the end, the victim outdoes him and wins.

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						jay...@earth.execpc.com

In article <3bl8i9$2...@homer.alpha.net>,
Jim Vieira <jay...@earth.execpc.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>would then allow for a more evenly matched final battle in U9.  This
>is the type of logic I see in villians in stories and movies now and 
>then.  The bad guy is so confident that he is willing to risk it all just
>to gloat over his victim.  But in the end, the victim outdoes him and wins.

Exactly.  This is a common way to depict evil characters.  It's the old
manipulate-and-create-false-hope-then-rip-it-all-away-showing-the-hero-
they-never-had-a-chance-and-laugh-in-their-face trick.  Apperantly killing
and maiming is not enough.  Torment is also very satisfying.

Matt.
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