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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:57:53 -0500, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
wrote:

>Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:49:55 -0500, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>>of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 04:47:07 -0500, Xocyll <Xoc...@kingston.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Rin Stowleigh <rstow...@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails
>>>>>of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:39:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>>>>>><spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:54:32 +0400, "Andrew Rybenkov"
>>>>>>><aryb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>including DLCs till 26 march.
>>>>>>>>(Not sure if this Russia only or everywhere.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There's a "player's appreciation sale" (More than 200 titles up to 70%
>>>>>>>off!) here in 'merica.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Looks like EA is in full spin, trying to wash the mud off their
>>>>>>>repuation after the SimCity fiasco.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Look guys, we care about you! Save money on our next games!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course, myself, I'd rather they just FIX the games I've already
>>>>>>>purchased but that costs EA money. New purchases, even at discounted
>>>>>>>prices, counts as income; fixing their lemons counts as expenditures. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't have a problem with quick-fix damage control tactics like
>>>>>>this.  It only takes one douchebag within a company, team or project
>>>>>>mgmt level to cause something like the SimCity fiasco, and there are
>>>>>>times when, for every one of those guys, you have 20 people who never
>>>>>>agreed to the decision and would like to make things right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, if the discount can benefit some people until the bigger problem
>>>>>>gets worked out (not just the online requirement for SimCity, but the
>>>>>>larger task of getting some bad eggs out of management), then I say
>>>>>>fair enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway, I'm never purchasing anything through Origin directly. It's
>>>>>>>bad enough if I buy retail and the damn software is installed on my
>>>>>>>machine anyway...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Never say never, at the rate things are going, there may come a time
>>>>>>when optical drives and PCs are no longer a standard combination, or
>>>>>>when game companies no longer burn to physical media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some say "never" even to that, but its the same crowd that said that
>>>>>>about floppy drives in PCs too.  I can't remember the last time I
>>>>>>owned a PC with a floppy drive, its been a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah but the difference is that floppy drives were superceded by other
>>>>>removable writeable storage mediums as storage requirements increased,
>>>>>they didn't just vanish.
>>>>>
>>>>>What real use is 1.44MB of storage these days, just as the low density
>>>>>floppy formats faded away to make room for the high density ones, HD
>>>>>floppys went away when internal ZIP drives came around with 100MB
>>>>>storage, and those went away when CDRs became affordable for home use
>>>>>which died in turn when DVDRs got cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>>As long as people need to store and move data, we'll have DVD burners or
>>>>>something with even more storage capacity.
>>>>
>>>>It's not that I'm proposing there will never be another optical drive
>>>>you can buy, I'm sure you'll be able to obtain one 20 years from now.
>>>>
>>>>It's just that with regard to storing data, the cloud is getting more
>>>>momentum and with regard to moving data, big bandwidth is getting more
>>>>viable.  When you add those two together and combine them with the
>>>>growth of mobile, having a "virtual optical drive" that's in the
>>>>cloud, that requires nothing more than authentication but otherwise
>>>>follows you everywhere, is a compelling feature for many.
>>>
>>>The problem with the cloud is that it's someone else's server so it is
>>>a) insecure if you want the data to be completely secure and private.
>>
>>No more so than when it's stored on a local hard drive that is
>>connected to the Internet.  Technically it is probably safer.  But
>>security risks are inherent to network connectivity.
>
>Dude, how is putting my data on someone else's harddrive connected to
>the internet _more_ secure than putting it on my own?

Because it's not just on someone else's hard drive in the cloud, the
data is then on servers that are protected by dedicated hardware
firewalls that aren't even available to you, and server administrators
with more security experience and training than you.

>And more importantly since we're talking transportation here and
>portable storage, how is some dude's cloud server more hack resistant
>than a burned dvd in a case on the shelf in my house?

I didn't correlate "hacking" to an offline storage mechanism or
"burned" disc.  If your house burns down, most likely all of your DVDs
are melted together into one big glob of plastic goo, if that.

Destroyed data is generally worse than "potentially compromised" data
(i.e. data that's been exposed but not necessarily leaked or
decrypted).

Most network-based security breaches fall into the "potentially
compromised" category, whereas a melted glob of plastic goo falls
squarely into the "categorically fucked" bucket.