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: >(what about Uw2, you ask...when the Guardian fought his war on Britannian 
: > soil?
: > No one opened the gate then! Of course, in UW2's endgame, Britannia looks
: > fine, and no mention of the destruction in u7.5. The Guardian lied.)

: Ummm... U7.5 was _after_ UW2 AFAIK.

I agree.  If I remember correctly UW2 said something about 6 months after 
the destruction of the black gate, but U7.5 said something like 18months 
after, etc.  I don't belive that UW2 is considered 'fodder' for the Ultima
storyline anymore anyway.

: >(okay, fine, you say...But Britannia WAS destroyed by the end of U8!

This is my opinion also.  Some have said the endgame of U8 was the Avatar
in the Guardian's homeworld.  I don't buy it (unless someone from Origin 
says I'm flat wrong).  All thru Pagan the Guardian is saying 'I can hear
Lord British crying out for you now' and other taunts.  I took the endgame
of U8 to mean:  Avatar gets ultimate power.  Goes to the 'Etheral Plane' 
or Hall of Pillars as refered to below.  Realizes his power and decides to
finally return to Britannia.  Remember:  The storyline said that the only 
way home was to get the power of the Titans and to become yourself a 
Titan.  So he goes home in his nice new Avatar outfit!

I'm also basing this on the fact that an article I read last year with 
Richard Garriot said that Pagan would take place on the Guardian's 
homeworld, and that Ultima 9 would be kinda like Ultima 4 again, with
the Avatar learning to handle his new powers, and to actually become
some kinda god (hence the name Ultima 9 - Ascension).  I think therefore
that the endgame of U8 was showing destroyed Britannia.  Of course, this
could all be old news that has been changed 1000 times already.

: >Yeah, but we don't know how long the Avatar wandered about in the Hall of
: >Pillars; possibly enough time for the Guardian to get through and destroy 
: >Britannia. Besides, Britannia had already suffered cataclysm during U7.5)
: >(Finally, What about Pagan? Perhaps that world was worthless, drained to 
: >the Guardian; no loss to him if the few survivors no longer worship him).

: I would be surprised if the guardian actually destroys somewhere
: physically. Perhaps he will go so far as to eliminate all those who
: oppose him (such as those you saw in the ice world and in Praector
: Loth's tomb in UW2).

: Wouldn't it be more satisfying for the guardian to subvert the
: principles of a world and bring the Avatar into a Britannia that
: despises him?  Hmmm... this actually could tie in quite well with the
: fellowship in U7.

An interesting note!  He never actually did destroy all of Pagan either.
Just decided to subjugate the people to his will and his rule.  But I
feel that Britannia was different.  The Guradian originally wanted to
control Britannia thru the Fellowship.  He got his ass kicked out by
the Avatar, and decided the best way to get back at the Avatar was to
temporarily put him 'out of the way' (Serpent Isle/Pagan) while he
wreaks complete havoc.  I also think the Guardian KNEW that the Avatar
would become all powerful, and would return to Britannia of his own
power.  So, he wastes it all ahead of time to get his revenge.

: Alistair
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