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Article #82694RESULT: rec.autos.simulators passes 170:22
From: rdip... Ron Asbestos Dippold
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 17:57
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 17:57
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RESULT
unmoderated rec.autos.simulators group vote results - 192 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
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170 22 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.autos.simulators
2 invalid votes
Newsgroups line:
rec.autos.simulators Discussion of automotive simulators.
Thus the group passes, and should be newgrouped after the five day
waiting period.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdip...@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Afzal Ballim <af...@divsun.unige.ch>.
CHARTER
This newsgroup will be used for discussions of realistic computer
simulations of automotive vehicles, irrespective of the platforms on
which said simulations are supported. This will include simulations
which have a competitive component (racing simulations) and those
which do not. Topics will include (but are not restricted to):
o Global characteristics of particular simulations.
o Platform-dependent characteristics of such simulations (as a
convention, it is suggested that such discussions list the
platforms in the subject header, e.g.,
Subject: [ibm-pc,sun] Blog's Yugo simulator
o Design and implementation issues of such simulations.
o Issues of realism in automotive simulation.
o General discussion of automobile simulations.
Obviously, determining whether a particular simulator is "realistic"
requires a judgement call. It is hoped that broad accord between
posters will enable the discernment of valid simulators (for
discussion in this group) from those which are devised for an
entertainment value without concern for realism. Thus, discussion of
many of the arcade racing simulators, which provide an overview
perspective of the vehicle being simulated and which do not attempt to
provide realism of handling of the vehicle, would not be appropriate
in this newsgroup. On the other hand, simulators such as Microprose's
Formula 1 Grand Prix would fall within the purview of this group as
attempts are made to capture realistic handling of the vehicle.
FAQ Outline
A preliminary FAQ is in preparation for the eventuality that the group
passes the vote. The current outline is included here:
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS for rec.autos.simulators
Written by Afzal Ballim
Version: 0.0
Last Update: 26/10/1993
If you think of questions that are appropriate for this FAQ, or would
like to improve an answer, please send email to af...@divsun.unige.ch
Topics Covered:
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Part 1:
[1-0] What is the purpose of this newsgroup?
[1-1] What conventions are suggested for subject headings?
[1-2] How do I decide if a simulator is "realistic"?
[1-3] Does discussion on arcade racing games belong here?
Part 2:
[2-0] What realistic racing simulators exist?
[2-1] What platforms support them?
[2-2] What add-ons, editors, updates, etc., exist for these
simulators?
[2-3] Where can I find them?
Part 3:
[3-0] What realistic NON-competitive simulators exists?
[3-1] Where do I start if I want to build a simulator?
[3-2] How do I model <X> in an automotive simulator?
rec.autos.simulators group vote Final Vote Ack
Yes Votes
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01dw...@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
A.H....@midge.bath.ac.uk
ae...@freenet.carleton.ca Christian Sauve
af...@divsun.unige.ch Afzal Ballim
ag...@essex.ac.uk Aghanya O A
a...@fml.tuwien.ac.at Andreas Haleger
al...@werple.apana.org.au Glenn Durden
al...@mailhost.cs.pdx.edu Greg Bowers
an9...@ox.ac.uk Martin Sturgess
Athan...@rus.uni-stuttgart.de Eleutherios Athanassiou
at...@theory.lcs.mit.edu Atul Shrivastava
biom...@engc.bu.edu Melih Ucar
bje...@watson.ibm.com Brian Jensen
bo...@lauto.lmc.com Bob Boulanger
bo...@star.enet.dec.com Mike Boiko, RdB Performance Group, 381-2362
bts...@pfizer.com Bill Tsang
c2x...@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com Michael Kelly Perdue
cam...@cs.uct.ac.za
c...@psyc.leeds.ac.uk Driving Simulator
carr...@bcvms.bc.edu Ismael E. Carreras
CAST...@vm.ci.uv.es Javier Castello
cha...@attmail.com Naren Chauhan
chu...@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Chua Hak Lien
ci...@d0tokensun.fnal.gov Greg Cisko
cle...@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Chi Leong
cm5...@ccub.wlv.ac.uk C.Coulson
col...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU Andrew BW Colfelt
cosc...@Menudo.UH.EDU cosc19v2
CP...@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU Kevin Parker
cr...@sco.COM Craig Heath
c...@ukc.ac.uk
csr...@eng.clemson.edu Shane Roach
CT...@MUSIC.MUS.POLYMTL.CA Nicolas Gauvin
d8...@efd.lth.se Kjell Joenhede
da...@metronet.com Dale Williams
D...@geog.utoronto.ca Dan Desousa
David_M...@mindlink.bc.ca David McCullum
decvax!av8r!tcha...@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com Thomas Charron
DEG...@dune.sanders.lockheed.com
der...@csrd.uiuc.edu Luiz A. De Rose
dest...@let.ruu.nl Louis des Tombe
dma...@bronze.lcs.mit.edu Dave Matson
d...@hydra.carleton.CA Dave Perry VE3IFB
dw...@ccmail.GSFC.NASA.GOV Ward, David
edsr!j...@uunet.UU.NET John E. Mendenhall
e...@kirkof.psu.edu Everett H Paddock
emar...@uiuc.edu Eduardo Martins
e...@mala.bc.ca Lorne Epp
eric.w...@eta.pha.jhu.edu Eric Wyckoff
esp...@netcom.com Alan F. Perry
ev...@dehavilland.ca Ed Vale
fiel...@iosg.enet.dec.com A person of reduced seriousness... 08-Nov-1993
f...@uvapsy.psy.uva.nl Frans Oort
fon...@CC.UManitoba.CA
fran...@GAS.uug.Arizona.EDU Gregory C Franklin
fue...@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
ge...@softy.softwords.bc.ca Geoff Seeley
geo...@engin.umich.edu
gt4...@prism.gatech.edu
gt6...@prism.gatech.edu Michael James Dixon
gwi...@afit.af.mil Gordon Wishon
ham...@psyc.leeds.ac.uk Hamish Jamson
he...@vipunen.hut.fi Henrikki T H{kk{nen
her...@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Herbert Pohlai
holt...@cis.ohio-state.edu michael andrew holthouse
HOR...@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU
hru...@bnr.ca Bob (B.E.) Hruska
hwc...@mailbox.syr.edu Stingray
J.B...@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au
j...@cs.brown.edu Jak Kirman
jda...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Jonathan A Dawson
jd...@columbia.edu Jonathan David Kemp
je...@cse.ucsc.edu Jeffrey S. Rogenski
je...@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com Randell Jesup
jhen...@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca John Henders
jim...@acpub.duke.edu James Battista
jmu...@pop.nih.gov Joe Murphy
joh...@wrs.com David Johnson
jon...@soda.berkeley.edu Jonathan Kung
jwc...@cs.wm.edu John W. Cummings
jwo...@eng.clemson.edu john wodziak
KAK...@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Kim Kenner (814)867-2770
kda...@ecst.csuchico.edu Kent Davis
kee...@deeptht.armory.com Ron O'Dell
khei...@utu.fi Kai Heikola
kie...@vati.fmi.uni-passau.de Sven Kiesow
ki...@cbnewsc.att.com
L1...@ZFN.uni-Bremen.de Martin Schr"oder
ll...@Newbridge.COM Louis Lin
lsa...@utu.fi Lauri-Juhani Jussi S{{ski
lu...@stekt.oulu.fi Ari Husa
M.P...@uk03.bull.co.uk Malcolm Preen
mar...@awsmn.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Martin Noack
mccl...@postoffice.agcs.com John McCluer
mcla...@thorin.cardinal.com Gordon
mcraft...@kssib.ksc.nasa.gov Mark Crafts
mcr...@trl.oz.au Michael Crarey
men...@banjo.cs.uiuc.edu Celso Luiz Mendes
mic...@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au Michael Haller
mi...@setanta.demon.co.uk Mike Causer
mi...@muki.toppoint.de Michael Muhl
m...@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Mal
MLSI...@WEIZMANN.weizmann.ac.il Guy Sirton
moe...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU Mars
mo...@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca James DAHAN
mor...@csrd.uiuc.edu Jose Moreira
mor...@ulrik.bygg.tih.no
mu...@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff
N.S....@sussex.ac.uk x
narem...@CS.YALE.EDU "James E. Narem Jr.
nel...@microsoft.com Nelia Craig
nmu...@ihz.compuserve.com Nick Murray
nove...@rainbow.sosi.com John Novembre
n...@uts.amdahl.com David J. Nixon
pa...@comtech.ct.oz.au Paul Connolly
pa...@lidssun1.marc.gatech.edu Paul Lomangino
pau...@ornews.intel.com Paul Garceau
pfe...@lf.hp.com Mark Pfeifer
PH...@psychology.leeds.ac.uk Philip Worsley
pmx...@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk J.Preen
prom...@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
qu...@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael J. Quinn
R.MA...@qut.edu.au Russell Mahoney
rbin...@syma.sussex.ac.uk Robert Bingham
rbr...@BBN.COM Ralph Brown
rd...@nyx10.cs.du.edu Robert P Dale
retu.v...@mpoli.fi Retu Volkkila
re...@helios.ece.arizona.edu Reza Anwar
rh...@albert.cs.gmr.com Bob Haar
rk...@fnugget.intel.com William R Keel
r...@wet.sbi.com Robert J Greenwood
ro...@microsoft.com Rob Nixon
ro...@kauri.vuw.ac.nz RH Schone
rsl...@cs.rit.edu Rita S Leo
rwl...@cs.vu.nl Buis RWL
ryan....@canrem.com Ryan Bayne
s-ka...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu Kahler Stuart Glenn
sampo.j...@compart.fi Sampo Jarvinen
sbor...@nyx.cs.du.edu Scott Borders
schu...@cci.de.\.\M ERWIN SCH\MANN
SHJO0%IBM-B.RU...@ib.rl.ac.uk Helen Orme
sitd...@mehta.anu.edu.au David Sitsky
sknu...@iastate.edu Steven W Knutson
spy...@theseas.ntua.gr Spyros Potamianos
ST...@Jetson.UH.EDU
Stefan-Die...@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE
STEF...@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU
step...@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp Stephane Divoux
ste...@psyc.leeds.ac.uk Stephen Gallimore
ste...@abekrd.co.uk Steven Glenister
t...@mod.dsto.gov.au Trevor Jackson
tbbu...@hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu Tod B Bussert
tho...@ferrari.datamark.co.nz Thomas Beagle
tho...@sees.bangor.ac.uk Thomas Varsamidis (SH)
Timo....@hut.fi Timo Rinne
tj...@uni-paderborn.de Tjark Kalow
tj...@cas.org
Uwe.S...@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de U. Seidler
vas...@laas.fr Francisco Vasques
vdron...@NICI.KUN.NL Albert van Drongelen
vspe...@sfu.ca
w...@sculptor.larc.nasa.gov Washito A. Sasamoto
wei...@rpi.edu Brent Weibel - Starmunky
we...@delta.hut.fi YOni M{kel{
wf...@westminster.ac.uk Chia Linliu
wid...@ccci.com Robert Widmer
wied...@fx.com Christian Wiedmann
wom...@nfinit.enet.dec.com Christopher M. Conway
wo...@eid.anl.gov Mark Woyna
y...@das.harvard.edu
No Votes
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be...@gaul.csd.uwo.ca DANNY BERAR
call...@boilerbob.corp.mot.com Mark Callicotte
ces...@panix.com Chris Estep
c...@uchicago.edu Christopher K. Koenigsberg
dcam...@gssec.bt.co.uk David Cameron
fs...@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P Ryan
j...@globalvillag.com John "Fax This!" MacWilliamson
lon...@judy.indstate.edu Lonadar the Wanderer
ma...@greenwich.com Mark Sirota
m...@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
optimg!rgr...@uunet.UU.NET Randy Green
pa...@dcs.rhbnc.ac.uk Paul K. Strong
pe...@greenwich.com Peter Sterne
re...@midway.uchicago.edu Sendhil Revuluri
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
SAA...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
sh...@spr.com Shane Hartman
sma...@io.org Smarasderagd
ste...@dfki.uni-kl.de
s...@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz
sv...@wells.nrl.navy.mil Sven Heinicke
wpca...@rwasic17.aud.alcatel.com Paul Callahan
Votes in error
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cl...@tti.com Ralph Clark
! Conflicting votes
sys...@galcon.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca The TARDIS
! Invalid address
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Path: mbox-mo1.pugleaf.net!gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bounce-back From: rdip...@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.games Subject: RESULT: rec.autos.simulators passes 170:22 Supersedes: <rec.autos.si...@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 30 Nov 1993 12:57:42 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 296 Sender: ta...@uunet.uu.net Approved: ta...@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <rec.autos.simulators-RESULT@uunet.uu.net> References: <rec.autos.simulators-CFV1@uunet.uu.net> <rec.autos.simulators-CFV2@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit