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AirRaid wrote:
> everyone who played / plays RTS games, including Dune 2,  Command &
> Conquer series  Red Alert,  WarCraft series,  Starcraft series,  Total
> Annihilation, Warzone 2100,
> Jagged Alliance series,  Tiberian Sun,   Conflict Zone, Red Alert 2,
> Kohan,  Age of Empires series, Homeworld,  Warlords: Battlecry, LoTR:
> Battle For Middle Earth series,
> Star Wars: Empire at War, and countless others

Jagged Alliance? You are obviously a n00b. That game is a turn based
strategy game, d00f.

> you should know the roots of all RTS games: It's  really Herzog Zwei,
> made & developed by Tecno Soft in Japan. called Tecno Soft *or* Techno

Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. Ancient Art of War predates Herzog by a long shot.

> Herzog Zwei was a real-time strategy game with arcade/shmup elements.

Then it really wasn't like those other games you listed above at all,
really.

> Most PC gamers only acknowledge Dune 2/II as the first RTS game. that
> simply is not true.

Dune 2 definitely is the first game that defined the gameplay formula
we all know as RTS today. While Ancient Art of War was the first
strategy game in real-time, Dune 2 is what really defined the genre.
Not some stupid arcade/action/strategy hybrid console game that almost
no one has played.

> It was Herzog Zwei that started the whole RTS genre.

Wrong. There was no such thing as an RTS "genre" until after C&C and
Warcraft came out. That's why all the games that came out after C&C
were called "Clone and Conquers". If you never heard that term before,
you're an RTS n00b.

> impression on those developers (like Westwood) that would later take
> RTS to the PC with games like   Dune 2, C&C, Red Alert, and create a
> huge genre out of it.

Exactly. Westwood and Blizzard created the genre. Not some Japanese
developer.

> there are almost NO RTS games that match the frantic pace of Herzog
> Zwei and the almost totally unique aspect in that you ARE actually a
> unit yourself, a transformable mecha / fighter-cargo jet, not just some
> mouse cursor / pointer on the screen.

Then it's not really an RTS, it's an action game with strategy
elements.

> looking ahead, I am *so* looking forward to Supreme Commander on the
> PC.  it is the closest game I have ever, EVER seen to what I had always
> imagined a 3D polygonal, map zoomable  Herzog Zwei-like game could be
> like.

Umm, it's Total Annihilation 2. It's basically the same game as TA just
with much nicer graphics and more stuff in it.

> while Supreme Commander has little in commen with Herzog Zwei

Exactly. Very little in common, like all the other RTS games out there.

> and more in commen with Total Annihilation because its the same main
> person in charge of development (AFAIK), and Supreme Commander is said
> to be the spiritual sequel / successor to Total Annihilation.

It's spelled COMMON. Get a dictionary. You console kiddies need to
learn how to write.

> Supreme Commander has to be, now, my most anticipated game for any
> platform, after watching both the teaser trailer and the gameplay
> demonstration.

You are easily impressed. It's pretty easy to make a non-interactive
video that looks great. I'll believe it when I can actually play it on
my own PC.

> i know this cross posted to several off-topic groups, but so be it,

because you're a troll.

> and, my spelling, grammer, etc is not exactly, great.  again, so be it.

Understatement of the year.

>   i wanted to make this a permanent recognition of Herzog Zwei as the
> first RTS game of any real value, for all time.

You're wrong opinion has been duly noted and filed in the proper place,
File 13.

> now, bring on Supreme Commander!

At least we can agree on this much.