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Matthew Murray wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 billand...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Matthew Murray <mmu...@cc.wwu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >     Of >course< the earlier Sierra games are worth playing.  They were
> > >much better in terms of gameplay and writing (you know, the IMPORTANT
> > >things) than the crap that passes for computer games today.  Start at the
> > >beginning with the original King's Quest, and move on forward from there.
> >
> > If I had to choose a Sierra game to start with, it would be either of
> > the Gabriel Knight games - really great.
>
>         I would never advise anyone to start with them, but they are both
> pretty good games.
>
> > If you like hybrid
> > rpg/adventure games, try Betrayal at Krondor (free download from
> > Sierra), and the Quest for Glory series.
>
>         The first two Quest for Glory games yes (only if QFG1 is played in
> its original and correct incarnation, not the bastardization with the
> no-typing interface), Betrayal at Krondor NO.  Awful, pointless game.
> Avoid avoid avoid!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

And this is the guy who said that there people like me playing games nowadays (a
put down).  And here he is, Mr. Matthew Murray, dissing one of the greatest RPGs of
all time!!!!  My god!!!!!
And I thought you lost it before!!!!

Betrayal at Krondor is one of THE best games EVER.  There's a LEGION of people who
will back me up on this (if I have to, I'll bring in the whole wrath of
comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg!).  Not liking this game gives you NO right to critique
other people's tastes, as you have done with mine.  I'm just giving you back some
of your own medicine, which you richly deserves.


> > Both the Kings Quest and the Space Quest games can be picked up in a
> > collection quite inexpensively.  Sierra advertises them as "digital
> > antiques", and they are - the earlier ones don't have sound (except
> > from the speaker).  Personally, I liked the later Kings Quest games -
> > 5, 6, and 7, rather than the earlier.  Possibly because I played them
> > before playing the earlier games, so there was no nostalgia factor.
>
>         I feel very sorry for you for two reasons.  First of all, that you

Oh, he IS?  Feeling sorry?  Wow, Mr Guru is pitying us for our misguided ways!  We
will all be punished for loving Betrayal at Krondor and King's Quest 6!  Boo hoo!

> actually consider that King's Quests V, VI, and VII (ESPECIALLY VII) are
> better than the earlier games in the series, and second that you didn't
> get the opportunity to play them the first time around.  When those games
> first came out, they had a very special magic to them that games today
> just don't have.  Sierra has forgotten how to put magic and love into
> their computer games, and it really shows.  Maybe it's hard for you to
> see because you didn't play them the first time around, but the
> collections serve to show more than anything else what Sierra once did
> right but is now doing wrong.
>
> > The early ones have CGA graphics - quite blocky.
>
>         So?

Wow, I actually agree with you here.  I find that the graphics didn't detract from
my enjoyments.

> > The story line is
> > OK, but there are some annoyances.
>
>         Some annoyances?  Sorry, the plots of the first two King's Quest
> games aren't great, but the games as a whole are more fun than King's
> Quest VI or King's Quest VII.  As for the writing of KQ3 and KQ4, don't
> even say there are some annoyances.  Maybe, but at least their annoyances
> aren't the entire stories!  King's Quest VII is exceptionally bad in this
> regard.  Can you HONESTLY compare the story of King's Quest VII with the
> story of King's Quest III and tell me that the former is better written?

Wow, I agree with you here too.  Far out, dude.  But that's only cause KQ3 is my
favorite.

> > Some of the puzzles are based on
> > the difficulty you have maneovering with the keyboard.
>
>         Like...?
>         Once again, I feel very sorry for you.  There is more to life than
> moving a mouse.  At least with the original Sierra games, you didn't have
> a group of icons that you had to click on to perform actions or (even
> worse) merely ONE icon that does everything.  Even if I did have trouble
> maneuvering with the keyboard (which I can never recall), I still much
> preferred that method of movement and puzzle interaction to the way it is
> now.

You know, I might agree with you, but I'm not feeling "sorry" for them.  Get off
your damn holier-than-thou perch then maybe we can discuss things in a more
civilized manner.

Raymond
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