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Nick Jong wrote:

> >> On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Raymond  Phathanavirangoon wrote:
>
> >> > What deisgn fault?  You DON'T need the lamp to finish the game!!!! I have
> >> > stated that MANY times before!  There are 4 ways to finish the game, and
> >> > if you missed something, you could always use another route to pass.  So I
> >> > DON'T think the "design" flaw you mention DOES exist.
>
> >>         Yes, it DOES.  Whether you need the lamp or not is irrelevant.
> >> You are using information obtained as the player to solve a puzzle as
> >> >Alexander<.  Whether or not you need the lamp to finish the game, that is
> >> >poor< puzzle design.
>
> >Great.  Now he goes and offers NO proof as to why one DOES need the lamp.  Since,
> >the oh-so-mighty Matthew can't seem to get it, I'll tell you how.  You DON'T NEED
> >THE LAMP because there are two other ways to finish the game.  You can either give
> >the mint to the Genie at the end (instead of using the lamp on him) to conquer him,
> >them follow the same procedures.  Or you can disguise yourself in Beauty's costume
> >and go inside.
>
> Ah... The peril of the ellipsis... I interpreted Matthew's sentence to
> mean: "Yes, it [the design flaw] DOES [exist]." If you read the very
> next sentence, you see that Matthew does not care whether or not you
> need the lamp. His beef is with the game designer's (IMO poor) decision
> to base a puzzle on what the player knows as opposed to what the
> player's character knows. (It strikes one as silly or unrealistic, and
> weakens one's suspension of disbelief.)

I know.  And I do know the Matthew only cared about how much he hated that lamp puzzle.
But that WASN'T the original argument!  The original post was about how KQ6 CAN'T be
finished without the lamp, which is absurd.  That's why I said that he was off-topic.

> Personally, I interpreted Matthew's comment as facetious, though it is
> ambiguous enough.... Though for the record I didn't much like that
> puzzle either.

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