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Chuck ...E's In Love... McMath (McMa...@mediasoft.net) wrote:
: In article <43fd37$6...@regiss.optera.com>, got...@regiss.optera.com
: (ABHOTH DAIMONIZOMAI) wrote:

: > Is it just me, or are Origin programmers just really lazy and stupid?

: Well *here's* a good reasonable argument.  Did you recently graduate from
: charm school?  If you ever hope to be taken seriously, I would suggest you
: don't start out threads like this.  I doubt whether the programmers at
: Origin are either lazy or stupid.  You I don't know about (I doubt you're
: lazy because you did such a good job typing in all this stuff, and
: cross-posted it so well).

Obviously, this guy is an Origin programmer. I think he took offense.  Chill
out dude. Your reply just got crossposted as well.


: > The reason I say this is because they hype their games as being
: > oh-so-high-tech and state-of-the-art-push-the-envelope stuff, but yet
: > their games really aren't all that much more spectacular than some of the
: > stuff already out. 

: Well, now this *is* a valid issue to raise.  Maybe the question should be,
: "are Origin's games worth upgrading your PC for?"

Not really.  THe only Origin game I didn't lose interest in was a few of the
Ultimas and WC Series.  The rest were a waste of time and money.


: > The only difference, of course, is that Origin's games
: > are generally slow and require the current top-of-the-line PC to run at a
: > reasonable speed. Origin likes to put big hefty system requirements on
: > their so-called state-of-the-art games, and I guess that makes them feel
: > special or something... that you need a Pentium to run their games, even
: > though they are EXTREMELY over-rated. Case in point, Cybermage. Huge 9 meg
: > demo. The game is pitifully slow on a Pentium 90 at high res with all
: > detail on. And what's so special about it? Graphics are nothing exciting,
: > and everything is still 90 degrees. Oh, but it's SVGA, so I guess that
: > makes it cool. So it requires a Pentium with 16 megs for SVGA. What a
: > joke! I can run Terminal Velocity on the same system (which IMO is more
: > fun with better grafx) and it's a lot faster, this is with only 8 megs of
: > RAM too. Why is Cybermage so slow? Hmm... maybe that the programmers
: > suck?? 

: In the real world this kind of infantile reasoning would get you
: anywhere.  However, on the 'net it makes you just "one of the boyz."  This
: is just puerile crap.

I agree with this guy in the sense that programmers aren't going to too much
trouble in streamlining their code these days.  It's pitiful when games run
choppy in SVGA mode on a Pentium 90 or 100.  By the way, even though TV is a
smooth running shooter, it's just another boring game...especially the modem
play.  It's another 4 hour gameplay and throwaway.  As far as the "puerile
crap" comment goes, obviously it doesn't stop you from replying to it.  Your
comment only shows how desperate your attempt is at insult.



: > They are too damn lazy to write some clean and efficient code that
: > will give us nice pretty grafx AND good frame rates? This isn't something
: > new with Origin BTW. Do we remember Strike Commander and Pacific Strike? 
: > I do! They were terrible, and SLOW, and not very impressive at all. This
: > seems to be a continuing trend with Origin. Write games that require the
: > most expensive PC on the market, thereby undercutting a huge mid-range to
: > low-end market, and the damn games SUCK and aren't that great to begin
: > with. Why is this? Origin must think "well gee, it runs on a Pentium 133
: > so lets just leave it alone" instead of tweaking it and making sure that
: > it runs just as well on the slower systems. I guess Origin is just afraid
: > of hard work, they just want the money, that's all.

: Yep, that's it - Origin wants the money so bad they release stuff that
: doesn't run on most of the machines out there.  Hey, wait a minute - if
: they *really* wanted the money wouldn't they "tweak" the code so more
: people would buy it?  After all, by aiming at the high-end machine they
: shut out part [most] of their market?

Origin has been doing this since Ultima 6 came out. The people that they aim
for are the ones that own the newest computers and the one's that are in the
market for a new computer.  As for tweaking the code more, I doubt they're
capable.


: > Now I see Origin
: > hyping this new "AH64D Apache Longbow" sim. Supposedly, as rumor has it,
: > this will require a Pentium 133 (or P6) for full detail. Wow, that's neat.
: > I've seen GIFs. It doesn't look that damn great. 

: If you can infer how good a game is from rumors and GIFs, then how will
: Battlecruiser 3000AD be?  I'm curious.


All I know is that USNF ran like crap on a DX2/66 except in 320 X 200 mode
(yuck!).  I can imagine what the next in the series will be like.



: > I've seen Origin people
: > poking fun at I-Magic's "Apache" sim for being unrealistic and outdated.
: > HA! I have the sim and it's excellent. Best game I have played in a LONG
: > time. Gee Origin, maybe before you start talking sh*t about someone elses
: > product, you should MAKE SURE YOUR PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED FIRST. 

: So maybe people at Origin have an attitude problem.  Unlike you.

It looks like we ALL have attitude problems. The difference is that some of us
have valid reasons behind it instead of using insults as a meaningless
attempt of a counterpoint.  


: > Until
: > then, shut up. And what was the last really good game Origin has released
: > in the past 2-3 years? WC3? Lets compare the duds Origin has released to
: > the good games they have released:  Good games: WC3, Ultima 7 part 2
: > Crappy games: Strike Commander, Pacific Strike, Wings of Glory, Ultima 8,
: > BioForge, Cybermage, System Shock (some might argue with me about this,
: > but hey, the game was boring, slow, and the plot sucked)... etc etc
: > That's not a very good record. Looks like Origin is batting around .111 
: > which, even if you hate baseball, is a really bad average. Good luck in 
: > the future, Origin. I think you'll need it... but probably not, since 
: > you've got a whole legion of slobbering Origin groupies who will buy any 
: > piece of trash that you release just because it has your logo on it.
: > 

A LOT of companies are batting .111 and some lower (Sierra). Look at all these
games that have been pushed back in their release dates: DM2, Lords Of
Midnight, Phantasmagoria, Bioforge, etc etc.  They all turned out to be crap
for one reason or another.  It's a waste of the companies' time and our time.
I won't say our money because I've taken all these games back & got a refund. 
The problem is that this seems to be the standard these days. Nothing is worth
keeping.  Consumers should be upset.



: Well, what makes a 'good game' by your definition?  Some of the 'duds' you
: mention tried to go in new directions - BioForge, for one.  Is the fact
: that it didn't do a good job (IMHO) a strike against them?  Even U8 was an
: attempt to do something different, with all the animation and emphasis on
: action vs rpg elements.  I didn't have any problems with it technically,
: although I believe most, if not all, slobbering Avatar groupies hated it.

Obviously, they need to stop doing something different.  They're not good
at it.


: And to put System Shock on the 'losers' list is truly dumb.  Technically
: it's a great game.  And I liked the plot and pace just fine, thanks.

: I'm not an Origin apologist nor a slobbering groupie, but someone who buys
: and plays their games now and then.  And some of the arguments you put
: forth have validity (like "what technical features does Origin put in
: games that forces them to the high-end machines?"). Maybe it's Origin's
: marketing department's idea of 'snob appeal?"   But to say that their
: programmers are stupid, fat, lazy, etc, does nothing but pour flames on
: the fire.

Or sense in their heads.


: If more people feel like you, that Origin's games are NOT worth it, then
: feel free to exercise your right to not purchase their games.  Given
: enough time they will either change their direction or go out of
: business.  That's how it works.  That's how it oughta work.

Is this your solution? Don't purchase their games?  Sounds simple.  Actually,
purchasing the game to check it out & then taking it back for a refund is the
same as not purchasing it.  The only difference is that we have more
information about how good or bad it really is.At least when people post that
a game is crap, they've had first hand experience.  It's the people who keep
the crap that's causing them to make more.



: chuck

Thanks Chuck, but don't take all these postings so personal, unless you are
somewhat associated with Origin then maybe you can help do something to
alleviate the problem.