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In article <43fd37$6...@regiss.optera.com>, got...@regiss.optera.com
(ABHOTH DAIMONIZOMAI) wrote:

> Is it just me, or are Origin programmers just really lazy and stupid?

Well *here's* a good reasonable argument.  Did you recently graduate from
charm school?  If you ever hope to be taken seriously, I would suggest you
don't start out threads like this.  I doubt whether the programmers at
Origin are either lazy or stupid.  You I don't know about (I doubt you're
lazy because you did such a good job typing in all this stuff, and
cross-posted it so well).

> The reason I say this is because they hype their games as being
> oh-so-high-tech and state-of-the-art-push-the-envelope stuff, but yet
> their games really aren't all that much more spectacular than some of the
> stuff already out. 

Well, now this *is* a valid issue to raise.  Maybe the question should be,
"are Origin's games worth upgrading your PC for?"

> The only difference, of course, is that Origin's games
> are generally slow and require the current top-of-the-line PC to run at a
> reasonable speed. Origin likes to put big hefty system requirements on
> their so-called state-of-the-art games, and I guess that makes them feel
> special or something... that you need a Pentium to run their games, even
> though they are EXTREMELY over-rated. Case in point, Cybermage. Huge 9 meg
> demo. The game is pitifully slow on a Pentium 90 at high res with all
> detail on. And what's so special about it? Graphics are nothing exciting,
> and everything is still 90 degrees. Oh, but it's SVGA, so I guess that
> makes it cool. So it requires a Pentium with 16 megs for SVGA. What a
> joke! I can run Terminal Velocity on the same system (which IMO is more
> fun with better grafx) and it's a lot faster, this is with only 8 megs of
> RAM too. Why is Cybermage so slow? Hmm... maybe that the programmers
> suck?? 

In the real world this kind of infantile reasoning would get you
anywhere.  However, on the 'net it makes you just "one of the boyz."  This
is just puerile crap.

> They are too damn lazy to write some clean and efficient code that
> will give us nice pretty grafx AND good frame rates? This isn't something
> new with Origin BTW. Do we remember Strike Commander and Pacific Strike? 
> I do! They were terrible, and SLOW, and not very impressive at all. This
> seems to be a continuing trend with Origin. Write games that require the
> most expensive PC on the market, thereby undercutting a huge mid-range to
> low-end market, and the damn games SUCK and aren't that great to begin
> with. Why is this? Origin must think "well gee, it runs on a Pentium 133
> so lets just leave it alone" instead of tweaking it and making sure that
> it runs just as well on the slower systems. I guess Origin is just afraid
> of hard work, they just want the money, that's all.

Yep, that's it - Origin wants the money so bad they release stuff that
doesn't run on most of the machines out there.  Hey, wait a minute - if
they *really* wanted the money wouldn't they "tweak" the code so more
people would buy it?  After all, by aiming at the high-end machine they
shut out part [most] of their market?

> Now I see Origin
> hyping this new "AH64D Apache Longbow" sim. Supposedly, as rumor has it,
> this will require a Pentium 133 (or P6) for full detail. Wow, that's neat.
> I've seen GIFs. It doesn't look that damn great. 

If you can infer how good a game is from rumors and GIFs, then how will
Battlecruiser 3000AD be?  I'm curious.

> I've seen Origin people
> poking fun at I-Magic's "Apache" sim for being unrealistic and outdated.
> HA! I have the sim and it's excellent. Best game I have played in a LONG
> time. Gee Origin, maybe before you start talking sh*t about someone elses
> product, you should MAKE SURE YOUR PRODUCT HAS BEEN RELEASED FIRST. 

So maybe people at Origin have an attitude problem.  Unlike you.

> Until
> then, shut up. And what was the last really good game Origin has released
> in the past 2-3 years? WC3? Lets compare the duds Origin has released to
> the good games they have released:  Good games: WC3, Ultima 7 part 2
> Crappy games: Strike Commander, Pacific Strike, Wings of Glory, Ultima 8,
> BioForge, Cybermage, System Shock (some might argue with me about this,
> but hey, the game was boring, slow, and the plot sucked)... etc etc
> That's not a very good record. Looks like Origin is batting around .111 
> which, even if you hate baseball, is a really bad average. Good luck in 
> the future, Origin. I think you'll need it... but probably not, since 
> you've got a whole legion of slobbering Origin groupies who will buy any 
> piece of trash that you release just because it has your logo on it.
> 

Well, what makes a 'good game' by your definition?  Some of the 'duds' you
mention tried to go in new directions - BioForge, for one.  Is the fact
that it didn't do a good job (IMHO) a strike against them?  Even U8 was an
attempt to do something different, with all the animation and emphasis on
action vs rpg elements.  I didn't have any problems with it technically,
although I believe most, if not all, slobbering Avatar groupies hated it.

And to put System Shock on the 'losers' list is truly dumb.  Technically
it's a great game.  And I liked the plot and pace just fine, thanks.

I'm not an Origin apologist nor a slobbering groupie, but someone who buys
and plays their games now and then.  And some of the arguments you put
forth have validity (like "what technical features does Origin put in
games that forces them to the high-end machines?"). Maybe it's Origin's
marketing department's idea of 'snob appeal?"   But to say that their
programmers are stupid, fat, lazy, etc, does nothing but pour flames on
the fire.

If more people feel like you, that Origin's games are NOT worth it, then
feel free to exercise your right to not purchase their games.  Given
enough time they will either change their direction or go out of
business.  That's how it works.  That's how it oughta work.


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chuck

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