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m...@primenet.com wrote:

>~You made an error, plain and simple.  Why can't you just admit
>~it?  2M number is for a single version only, but your post would
>~have lead people to believe it's for all versions.
>~
>No, I didn't.  The whole purpose behind this thread was to indicate why 
>developers should write for OS/2, since it had this  huge installed base.  If 
>you want to claim a 9M installed base, that's fine - but then you must conceed 
>that developers can only write 16-bit OS/2 apps, since that's all that will 
>run on 7M of the installed base.  Your post would lead people to believe 

And you told me you have used OS/2 since 1.x?!  More errors from
you!  The 9M number _only_ counts version 2.x and Warp, 1.x is
_not_ counted.  And both 2.x and Warp runs 32bit OS/2 apps fine. 
All 9M users can run 32bit OS/2 apps.

Your 16bit only arguments only applies to Windows, which the
16bit installed base is at least 10x bigger than the 32bit one.

>there's 9M OS/2 users out there.  Let's take a look at this: if there are 9M 
>total, and 2.5M Warp, then 6.5M OS/2 users have chosen not to upgrade to IBM's 
>latest version in the last year - why are they waiting?  It's *completely* 

Why are they waiting?  Because they already have a perfectly
working system and don't want to spend the $$$ just to get the
lastest and greatest.

>invalid to state an installed base in terms of all previous versions; you can 

If it's invalid to state an installed base in terms of all prev.
versions, then MS will be in deep trouble.  What's the installed
base of Windows (Win95, the latest version, only)?  Less than 5M.
What's that of NT?  NT3.51 just came out, so it is certainly less
than 600k.

It is perfectly valid to include previous versions in counting
installed base, as long as it is made clear.

>only state an installed base of a particular release I.E. Warp, or 2.11 or 
>1.2x or 1.3x.  Even conceeding a 9M installed base, which I don't, OS/2 still 
>has < 10% of the most conservative estimates of Windows 3.1x - and the run 
>rate is < 250K/month vs 2.5M/month for 95 and NT (including OEM sales).  

The most conservative estimate of Win3.x I have seen is 60M.  The
most optimistic is 120M.  9M number is 15% of the most
conservative number.  Also, nearly all OS/2 users are also
counted as a Windows users too, since most own a license of
Windows (against their will or otherwise).

>I'm way tired of this arguement, and tired of being accused of "misleading" 
>numbers that have been verified by IBM's own press releases.  I have no 

You just made another misleading statement saying most of the 9M
base (7M out of it) can only run 16 bit OS/2 apps, which is
completely false.

>reluctance to admitting a mistake, when I make one.  I also wasn't aware that 
>being anonymous meant a lack of credibitily; I get on the 'net for enjoyment, 

It usually doesn't.  Except in cases like yours, in which
misleading statements were made and refused to be corrected.

>the sense of community and the occasional stimulating debate - none of which 
>describes this nattering.  My opinions are my own, not those of my employer, 
>church, race or clients.

I don't see how telling us your name will let us know who/which
your employer, church, race or clients are.


>~I won't argue if Windows served the community or not, but the
>~"people bought Windows" part is certainly arguable.
>~MS's bundling practice showed us that they CAN make people buy
>~things they don't want.  How many computer stores allow you to
>~buy a PC without paying for Windows a couple years ago ?  Even
>~now?
>~
>I tire of this argument as well - you want everyone else to pay a higher price 
>so that you have the option of getting Warped?  Don't you need windows on the 

You would rather have everyone paying the "Windows Tax" when
buying a PC instead of letting them choose which OS they want? 
Or saving the OS price entirely if they already have an OS?

>machine for Warp to "upgrade" to run windows apps?  What about IBM's bundling 

I don't run any Windows apps at all.

>with PS/2 Model 77's?  Even with a nice machine at a nice price point, IBM 

What about IBM's bundling with PS/2 Model 77?

>couldn't give the machines away.  IBM also admits that by waiting 'till the 
>last minute to sign their win95 licensing agreement, they potentially lost 
>significant market share.

Where did they admit that?  Some pointers?

>*sigh*  Well, you're nothing if not consistant.  If you want application 
>figures, I can dig 'em up out of IDC data.  'Course, so could you, if you 
>wanted to...

You posted the original challenge, why don't you dig up the OS/2
apps count yourself if you wanted to?

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Oliver Chung
> My opinions are my own <                      >  Happy Warp user <
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