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7 total messages Started by Daniel L Newhouse Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:04
wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160947
Author: Daniel L Newhouse
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 03:04
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What kind of MIDI was used on wing commanders 1 and 2 DOS?  Was it General
MIDI or was it MT-32/lapc-1 MIDI?

Also, what is the name of the utility that cleans up the bugs caused by the
transfer program in wing commander 1?
Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160948
Author: Karl Frank
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:11
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Daniel L Newhouse wrote:
> What kind of MIDI was used on wing commanders 1 and 2 DOS?  Was it General
> MIDI or was it MT-32/lapc-1 MIDI?

I think it was optimized for the Roland soundcard. Whatever standard 
that one had.

> Also, what is the name of the utility that cleans up the bugs caused by the
> transfer program in wing commander 1?

I dunno if there is "one utility" to do this. But
WCSAV - Savegame Editor
ftp://ftp.wcnews.com/files/wing1/wc1sav.zip
Does it as well besides the ability to cheat.

--
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  you can't be promoted.

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Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160949
Author: Daniel L Newhouse
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:29
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"Karl Frank" <karl@karl.frank.name> wrote in message
news:1074067478.136569@news.ainet.at...
> I think it was optimized for the Roland soundcard. Whatever standard
> that one had.

Your answer says nothing.  If you can't answer either "General MIDI,"
"MT-32," "lapc-1" or, more exotically "sound canvas" (only Ultima VIII has
that option AFAIK) then it is better not to answer at all.

It is obvious I know far more about the subject than you.

>
> I dunno if there is "one utility" to do this. But
> WCSAV - Savegame Editor
> ftp://ftp.wcnews.com/files/wing1/wc1sav.zip
> Does it as well besides the ability to cheat.
>
Does it fix the save games automatically if you load them up and then save
them without actually changing anything?
Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160950
Author: Ineedmoney
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:26
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"Daniel L Newhouse" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WfGNb.9831$i4.6204@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Karl Frank" <karl@karl.frank.name> wrote in message
> news:1074067478.136569@news.ainet.at...
> > I think it was optimized for the Roland soundcard. Whatever standard
> > that one had.
>
> Your answer says nothing.  If you can't answer either "General MIDI,"
> "MT-32," "lapc-1" or, more exotically "sound canvas" (only Ultima VIII has
> that option AFAIK) then it is better not to answer at all.
>
> It is obvious I know far more about the subject than you.

... Wel geez, he was only trying to help. I dont think anyone will want to
answer your questions again.

Ed
Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160951
Author: Daniel L Newhouse
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 05:54
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I asked a specific question and he gave a vague answer as though he were
telling me something.  That was slightly insulting to me, whether he
considered it so or not.  It implied I didn't know exactly what I was
asking for in my question.  If he had demonstrated uncertainty in whether
he was answering the question I would not have been angered, and
probably would have explained the terminology I used.

"Ineedmoney" <mail@atmycomputer.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bucqt7$qoq$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
>
> ... Wel geez, he was only trying to help. I dont think anyone will want to
> answer your questions again.
>
> Ed
>
>
Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160953
Author: Karl Frank
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:38
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Daniel L Newhouse wrote:

> Your answer says nothing.  If you can't answer either "General MIDI,"
> "MT-32," "lapc-1" or, more exotically "sound canvas" (only Ultima VIII has
> that option AFAIK) then it is better not to answer at all.
> It is obvious I know far more about the subject than you.

Well why do you ask then ?

> Does it fix the save games automatically if you load them up and then save
> them without actually changing anything?

As you are so much more clever then I am I am sure you'll find out yourself.

PS: Welcome to my ignore-list.

--
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Re: wing commander 1 and 2 DOS versions
#160952
Author: Ben Bandit Lesnick
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:42
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"Daniel L Newhouse" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<EcpOb.12776$i4.3326@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> I asked a specific question and he gave a vague answer as though he were
> telling me something.  That was slightly insulting to me, whether he
> considered it so or not.  It implied I didn't know exactly what I was
> asking for in my question.  If he had demonstrated uncertainty in whether
> he was answering the question I would not have been angered, and
> probably would have explained the terminology I used.

I don't think Karl's reply implied that you 'didn't know exactly what
you were asking' in any way. That said, I'm willing to go the extra
mile and flat out state the fact that you didn't know what you were
asking: the General MIDI standard did not exist in 1990. The original
Wing Commander supports LA Synth MIDI, the only sort that Roland
produced cards for at the time (Roland cards being what Karl suggested
you look into...).

(Wing Commander II also shipped just before the General MIDI standard
was unveiled in 1991...)

--
Ben Lesnick
http://www.wcnews.com
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