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Shot wrote:


> Small but key point here is the title itself. WCP Gold. Wing Commander

The name of the compilation is largely irrelevant. We're talking about 
the game itself, not the compilation package that came later.

> Prophecy Gold Edition. If Origin indeed did market SO as a stand alone
> product then yes indeed, it WAS false advertising. If you think Origin is
> above that, I believe your mistaken. How many people bought Secret Missions
> 1 and 2 for Wing1 and SO 1 and 2 for Wing2? I would venture to guess it was
> nowhere near the sales of the "parent" game. Im willing to bet Origin
> planned from the beginning to package this with WCP and sell it. If its just
> a add on how many people would have wanted to get it? Die hards yeah,
> average person no. However you say its a new game from the beginning then
> put it in a pretty box in time for Christmas later, and suddenly people want
> it because hey "TWO GAMES FOR ONE!". The Kilrathi Saga is a compilation that

Actually, I'd bet the vast majority of those who got WCSO got it as part 
of the episodic release, downloadable off the 'Net. In fact, many people 
got Prophecy Gold for the sole purpose of the new, vastly better manual.

> I'm sure would have been renamed the "Wing Commander Saga" had Wing4 been
> out a little longer. The difference is in the title, straight from Origin.
> So if your so willing to take origins side in what they say, then look at
> the title. Wing Commander-Secret Missions. Wing Commander2- Special
> Operations. AND.... Wing Commander Prophecy Gold Edition. Take those and put
> it up against Wing Commander the Kilrathi Saga. The difference is in the
> title. Different conflict you say? Then it should have been named Wing
> Commander the Nephiliam Saga or something.

WCP Gold came about well after Origin decided to halt the series. It was 
really nothign more than an attempt to squeeze a bit more from the 
franchise. I'd bet that if there had been concrete plans to develop 
another CD-based, FMV game a la Prophecy, we never would have seen WCP 
Gold. Instead, we would have waited until the arc was complete and 
likely seen a Nephilim Saga or something of that nature.

That all said, your argument is not without some justification, but is 
rather weak. Certainly not enough, IMO, to offset all the other aspects 
which relate to the game being stand-alone.

> Here the reason why I consider this an add on. I consider how I FOUND this
> game. It was in a review for a magazine. How was it titled? Wing Commander
> Prophecy SO. End of story. Go on the internet and type up SO or Secret

Then you came across a magazine that improperly titled the game. It's 
proper name is "Wing Commander Secret Ops". Nowhere in the proper title 
is Prophecy mentioned.

> Operations or Special Operations and see what you come up with. Then type in
> Wing Commander Prophecy Secret Operations (or special im not sure at the
> moment which word it was) and you will most definitely find what you are

Wrong. I type in "Secret Ops" in Google, and I get links to the official 
site (top spots), and Origin-recognized sites with information about the 
game. I type in "Prophecy Secret Ops", and all I see are non-sanctioned, 
third-party cheat sites, and a few no-name reviews.

> looking for. Did Origin stamp the add on label to this game? No. Doesn't
> mean anything. Just like you they TOO can go into detail about how they
> tweaked this and tweaked that and say "hey its not the same". Sure its
> not... The one guys movie comparison is very valid. If this was another game
> all together there is NOWAY it would not have included movies. I dont think
> its a money issue at all, they would put actors in any new Wing game. It was
> a teaser. To get the die hards ready for the next big thing. Which never

I disagree. You can't have FMV in a downloadable game, and THAT was the 
biggest draw to WCSO -- it's episodic, downloadable nature.

> came. If troubled hadn't occurred and Wing Commander 6 was out a year after
> SO was, then I doubt anyone would be questioning this. Wing1 SM1 and 2 were
> to get the die hards by till Wing2. Wing2 SO 1 and 2 to get them by till
> Wing3 came out. WCPSO was also a game to get you by until Wing6 came out. It
> never came out did it? Have Orgin market what you would consider Wing
> Commander 7 with no movies... Ship it for 40 bucks and you see what the
> sales on that sucker is. Origin may not say it, but their actions prove it.

Sorry, but you offer conjecture, not proof. The key is that Secret 
Missions (WCI) and Special Operations (WCII) absoutely required the 
presence of the parent game on your computer in order to run. This is 
the definition of add-on. WCSO did not require WCP; it was developed 
from the get-go as a stand-alone game.

> Stand alone game? It all comes down to the title. WCPSO, I guess Origin didn
> 't have the balls to "truly" market it as a stand alone game by changing the
> title did they? That is why this is an add on in my book.

See above. The official names does NOT include "Prophecy" in any way, 
shape, or form. Nor was it marketed as such from any reputable or 
sanctioned source.

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