🚀 go-pugleaf

Den 21-09-2015 kl. 15:52 skrev Catriona R:

> First up, I have actually voluntarily done some heroic 5-mans :-O When
> I did them for the legendary chain I found Auchindoun was pretty much
> stressfree, and when the dungeon weekend is up it gives Laughing Skull
> rep at 3k+ for about 10-15 mins, which is a great rate compared with
> grinding mobs outside (So does Everbloom but urgh, just no). So, ok,
> I've run it 4 times over the 5 day weekend, every group was pretty
> much fine, that's certainly helping my confidence in pugs (although
> admittedly, people who want to farm pointless rep tend to be the more
> patient types to begin with...)

Auch and Everbloom gives ~8k rep if the group goes for a full clear in 
Everbloom.  Luckily I hit exalted yesterday after doing both dungeons + 
a single mythic with my guild.  Another mount.  238/250.  And I still 
need to craft 4 engineer mounts.  Lazy.  Mat farming.  Argh..

> Ashran, hmm, I'm not big on giant PvP maps, because it's hard to learn
> where to go, and it's very hard to get to your group if they're down
> at the other end of the map. I'm a healer, I don't function well solo
> in PvP; give me people to heal! And it seems Horde don't get many good
> groups in Ashran, my first 3 attempts were groups scattered everywhere
> and being freely slaughtered by the Alliance, although I did at least
> eventually collect my 20 broken bones and a human head. Got a much
> better group last night and actually completed 2 bonus objectives and
> got a heap of kills, that's progress!

You cant win Ashran without a leader and a handful of healers.  That is 
a fact.  Even if you have a drunk leader you still have a good chance to 
win Ashran. :)
I can recommend the Ashran Buddy addon which gives you a clear picture 
of the fight and the progress towards the final boss fight.

> Oh and now Brewfest has started, been there, done that, except there's
> a pile of toys and a new pet to learn, so I guess I'm doing it again -
> I never got last year's toys (no toybox then!), so that's 4 alts
> running it to be on the safe side (only 2 can do Direbrew for those
> tokens), suspect I'll burn out fast, but hopefully I'll get everything
> first. It seems the ram riding route has completely changed since I
> last went there, not sure if that was a Cataclysm or SoO change but
> that took some relearning. Not a fan of the reins being a spell now,
> that I can't drag to an actionbar - I much prefer being able to spam
> an actionbar keybind and steer with my mouse, especially when there's
> tons of tents and bonfires to avoid along the route!

Luckily the event lasts for 17-18 days.  I did the heroic every day on 
6-8 chars last year and the year before and never got a single mount. 
Kinda amazing as there is a ~4% drop chance.

Btw.  150 attempts on the vitreous mount in Stonecore and still counting. :)

-- 
Peter T.

Den 22-09-2015 kl. 13:07 skrev Peter T.:

> Auch and Everbloom gives ~8k rep if the group goes for a full clear in
> Everbloom.  Luckily I hit exalted yesterday after doing both dungeons +
> a single mythic with my guild.  Another mount.  238/250.  And I still
> need to craft 4 engineer mounts.  Lazy.  Mat farming.  Argh..

> Luckily the event lasts for 17-18 days.  I did the heroic every day on
> 6-8 chars last year and the year before and never got a single mount.
> Kinda amazing as there is a ~4% drop chance.
>
> Btw.  150 attempts on the vitreous mount in Stonecore and still
> counting. :)

I'm totally focused on mounts atm. :)

-- 
Peter T.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:07:02 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Auch and Everbloom gives ~8k rep if the group goes for a full clear in 
>Everbloom.  Luckily I hit exalted yesterday after doing both dungeons + 
>a single mythic with my guild.  Another mount.  238/250.  And I still 
>need to craft 4 engineer mounts.  Lazy.  Mat farming.  Argh..

Grats! :-) About 11k rep to go for me, will get it next dungeon event
then. I should go and farm the outdoors mobs a bit anyway for another
shot at the garrison invasion mounts, still missing 3 of those...
227/250 here. 25k apexis to go for the 150k mount, that'll come fairly
soon...

>You cant win Ashran without a leader and a handful of healers.  That is 
>a fact.  Even if you have a drunk leader you still have a good chance to 
>win Ashran. :)

Hehe I've certainly learned to spot the difference between a group
with a leader and one without :-) My bf plays Ashran a lot so he's
explained a few things to me, which sure helps, he also spent ages
last night protecting me from a reeeaaallly annoying Alliance rogue
who made it his mission to gank healers at every opportunity, we only
had 2 healers, me being one of them, so I was constantly sapped,
stunned, you name it. I hate rogues in pvp :-P Got my first kill on
the boss though (not that I saw the boss; I'd died and had to figure
out how to get back down the map alone without being ganked on the
way... just arrived in time for the credit!), and the quest reward box
kindly gave me an epic head; the one slot I didn't have a decent PVE
item in, great!

>I can recommend the Ashran Buddy addon which gives you a clear picture 
>of the fight and the progress towards the final boss fight.

I'll have a look at that, thanks - it's a bit confusing when you're
new :-)

>Luckily the event lasts for 17-18 days.  I did the heroic every day on 
>6-8 chars last year and the year before and never got a single mount. 
>Kinda amazing as there is a ~4% drop chance.

Ouch! I've had those mounts for years, actually had 2-3 kodos on
different alts before mounts were accountwide, not sure if droprate
was higher or I was just lucky though. I also have the super-rare slow
ram, only available to people who did Brewfest 2007; MMO-C reckons
under 1% of players have it so cool, that's probably my rarest mount
:-D

2 toys down, and should today get 200 tokens for the pet and the 200
toy on my 2 100s... getting there :-)

>Btw.  150 attempts on the vitreous mount in Stonecore and still counting. :)

Ouch, hopefully it'll drop soon! Mine took somewhere around 108,
forget exactly but I was sick of the place by then ;-)

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:07:55 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 22-09-2015 kl. 13:07 skrev Peter T.:
>
>> Auch and Everbloom gives ~8k rep if the group goes for a full clear in
>> Everbloom.  Luckily I hit exalted yesterday after doing both dungeons +
>> a single mythic with my guild.  Another mount.  238/250.  And I still
>> need to craft 4 engineer mounts.  Lazy.  Mat farming.  Argh..
>
>> Luckily the event lasts for 17-18 days.  I did the heroic every day on
>> 6-8 chars last year and the year before and never got a single mount.
>> Kinda amazing as there is a ~4% drop chance.
>>
>> Btw.  150 attempts on the vitreous mount in Stonecore and still
>> counting. :)
>
>I'm totally focused on mounts atm. :)

Hehe I noticed ;-) I saw someone with the cloud serpent for 300 the
other day... just... how?? PvP addict and hardmode raider I guess? I
struggle to see how I'll get to 250; 300 isn't even a possibility I'm
considering lol.

Den 22-09-2015 kl. 14:58 skrev Catriona R:

> Hehe I noticed ;-) I saw someone with the cloud serpent for 300 the
> other day... just... how?? PvP addict and hardmode raider I guess? I
> struggle to see how I'll get to 250; 300 isn't even a possibility I'm
> considering lol.

Someone on DMF got the Mountocular ach when 6.0.1 went life before WoD 
went live.  He was hanging in the air on his new green mount at the 
Shrine several hours every day. :)

-- 
Peter T.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:33:26 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 22-09-2015 kl. 14:58 skrev Catriona R:
>
>> Hehe I noticed ;-) I saw someone with the cloud serpent for 300 the
>> other day... just... how?? PvP addict and hardmode raider I guess? I
>> struggle to see how I'll get to 250; 300 isn't even a possibility I'm
>> considering lol.
>
>Someone on DMF got the Mountocular ach when 6.0.1 went life before WoD 
>went live.  He was hanging in the air on his new green mount at the 
>Shrine several hours every day. :)

Wow, that's some dedication, no idea how people find so many tbh. I
guess pvp and raiding help a lot though, that's where many of my
missing ones are, and I've just written those off as not happening
lol. 

Found this site http://www.warcraftmounts.com/ is kinda handy for
tracking mounts and achievement credit, it was useful for me to see
exactly what is accountwide and what's restricted to only certain
characters; for example class/profession mounts. That's a minefield,
apparently, my main has 225, my paladin has 227, and my tailoring
warlock has 228. 

So, from what I can see... 3 of the carpets are accountwide and one is
not (the Flying Carpet, which I actually only crafted today, having
assumed for years that I must have made it... erm, apparently not);
the warlock and pally mounts are indeed exclusive to those characters.
Interestingly engineering flying machines are also accountwide for
achievement credit. 

So the "perfect" character for this is a tailoring paladin, it seems
(mine only has 2 class mounts but there's a 3rd available from the
Argent Tournament - however given my warlock is one ahead, there's no
point in me grinding that out; anyone without a tailor warlock
probably should)... but I really cannot be bothered rerolling so my
warlock will have to do ;-)

Was fun looking over those I don't have; once I excluded all those I
consider impossible for my playstyle (nothing will induce me to do
arena/rated battlegrounds/mythic raiding, nor am I willing to pay real
money for ugly mounts...), yep, 300 is impossible, 250 is hard. Maybe
in Legion...?

Den 24-09-2015 kl. 00:23 skrev Catriona R:
>
> Found this site http://www.warcraftmounts.com/ is kinda handy for
> tracking mounts and achievement credit, it was useful for me to see
> exactly what is accountwide and what's restricted to only certain
> characters; for example class/profession mounts. That's a minefield,
> apparently, my main has 225, my paladin has 227, and my tailoring
> warlock has 228.

I only rely on the mountocular achievement which you can set to Follow 
so you always can see your progress.  It updates very slowly though. 
Yesterday I get the life-binder's handmaiden.  But I had to restart the 
game before the Mountocular got updated. :)

-- 
Peter T.

Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:11 skrev Lewis:

> Most of them I'll never use. I have some set as favorites and I have two
> bound to specific keys (water strider and travelers mammoth) and that's
> all I need. I don't foresee ever going for the next level of the
> achievement.

Same here.  My hotkeyed mounts are the waterstrider, the grand 
expedition yak and the flying cloud.  The flying cloud because its small 
and doesnt cover my sight when I fly.

-- 
Peter T.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:40:52 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 24-09-2015 kl. 00:23 skrev Catriona R:
>>
>> Found this site http://www.warcraftmounts.com/ is kinda handy for
>> tracking mounts and achievement credit, it was useful for me to see
>> exactly what is accountwide and what's restricted to only certain
>> characters; for example class/profession mounts. That's a minefield,
>> apparently, my main has 225, my paladin has 227, and my tailoring
>> warlock has 228.
>
>I only rely on the mountocular achievement which you can set to Follow 
>so you always can see your progress.  It updates very slowly though. 
>Yesterday I get the life-binder's handmaiden.  But I had to restart the 
>game before the Mountocular got updated. :)

Yeah, it only updates when you log on the character with the highest
number of mounts - which will be one of: warlock/DK/paladin, depending
on professions and extra mounts. Took me some time to learn why that
was! Not very helpful, really...

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:23:48 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:11 skrev Lewis:
>
>> Most of them I'll never use. I have some set as favorites and I have two
>> bound to specific keys (water strider and travelers mammoth) and that's
>> all I need. I don't foresee ever going for the next level of the
>> achievement.
>
>Same here.  My hotkeyed mounts are the waterstrider, the grand 
>expedition yak and the flying cloud.  The flying cloud because its small 
>and doesnt cover my sight when I fly.

I have actionbar space reserved for favourite mounts, each character
uses different ones to suit the character/transmog, but all have the
water strider and yak on the actionbars (except my scribes, who have
the mammoth instead - its vendor sells parchment, while the yak
doesn't, saves trekking back to the trainer every time I run out!)

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:56:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <mu0q0l$552$1...@speranza.aioe.org> 
>  Peter T. <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote:
>> Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:11 skrev Lewis:
>
>>> Most of them I'll never use. I have some set as favorites and I have two
>>> bound to specific keys (water strider and travelers mammoth) and that's
>>> all I need. I don't foresee ever going for the next level of the
>>> achievement.
>
>> Same here.  My hotkeyed mounts are the waterstrider, the grand 
>> expedition yak and the flying cloud.  The flying cloud because its small 
>> and doesnt cover my sight when I fly.
>
>Flying? You're flying?
>
>You bastard.

It's really not that hard to get; my bf got it a couple of days back
and he HATES any kind of grind... so if he can do it, anyone can ;-)
Just chip away at it a bit at a time, most parts are easy enough,
unless you levelled doing nothing but instances you'll be 90%+ of the
way to loremaster/exploration for a start - exploration goes really
fast if you can get some mug with flying+vial of the sands to fly you
around... yeah, *I* did that bit for him :-P

Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:56 skrev Lewis:
> In message <mu0q0l$552$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
>    Peter T. <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote:
>> Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:11 skrev Lewis:
>
>>> Most of them I'll never use. I have some set as favorites and I have two
>>> bound to specific keys (water strider and travelers mammoth) and that's
>>> all I need. I don't foresee ever going for the next level of the
>>> achievement.
>
>> Same here.  My hotkeyed mounts are the waterstrider, the grand
>> expedition yak and the flying cloud.  The flying cloud because its small
>> and doesnt cover my sight when I fly.
>
> Flying? You're flying?
>
> You bastard.

Grind, boy!  GRIND!

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAA!!!

-- 
Peter T.

Den 24-09-2015 kl. 15:38 skrev Catriona R:
> (except my scribes, who have
> the mammoth instead - its vendor sells parchment, while the yak
> doesn't, saves trekking back to the trainer every time I run out!)

Still selling glyphs? :)

-- 
Peter T.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 16:13:20 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 24-09-2015 kl. 15:38 skrev Catriona R:
>> (except my scribes, who have
>> the mammoth instead - its vendor sells parchment, while the yak
>> doesn't, saves trekking back to the trainer every time I run out!)
>
>Still selling glyphs? :)

Not so much now, some idiot crashed the market down to 25g each, and
it doesn't feel worth crafting them for that low... *sigh* But I took
up inscriptions on my new boosted gnome rogue, since it's useful to
have and still a better moneymaker than most professions, so been
skilling it up on her instead. It's already a tad annoying when I keep
undercutting myself; that's the downside to the AH being across both
factions now!

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>You have to go hunt down treasure chests all over filled with entirely
>useless crap. Many, if not most, of these chest require playing some
>variation on Super Mario Brothers (jump here, run and jump here,
>pirouette here, then mount up and jump onto that pixel there so you can
>run across that rope (Don't fall or you start over!)... yeah, that
>sounds like fun. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

Eh, outside of Nagrand, which did overuse that, the vast majority are
sitting on the ground, or inside huts you go to anyway while doing
quests. There's over 200 available, you need 100, less than 50%, and
there's not *that* high a percentage of annoying ones :-) And if
garrison resources and free gold are "useless", well... you don't seem
to play the game much if you don't have a use for either of those?
Collect them on an alt (rogues/druids are good, stealth past
everything); most alts are starved for resources and need all they can
get; it's also good exp so that alt can skip doing all those quests
you hate so much ;-)

>You have to max out the rep with about 10 factions, which means more
>entirely pointless farming since these factions do nothing at all for
>you.

No, you have to max exactly zero factions. Get revered with three, all
of which take a maximum of 3 weeks, or 2 minutes if you use all that
"useless" gold from the treasures on buying medallions on the AH (1k
rep to every faction on use) :-) 

>And, to top it off, you have to complete all the randomly available
>quests out of a raft of 12.

All but one of which can be bought from a vendor for garrison
resources, at which point it takes a few minutes each to clear them. I
did 7 in a row with my bf the other day, took us not much over an
hour, would've been less if one hadn't been Skettis (now THAT one
sucks...)

>> my bf got it a couple of days back and he HATES any kind of grind...
>
>Obviously not since everything required for flying is a grind.

Nope, if you play the game at all, then only a very small amount of it
is a grind, since you've already done most of it. If you don't quest,
don't explore, and spend your entire life in queued-for instant
teleport instances, then I don't really see much need for flying
anyway... 

>The definition of grinding is doing pointless simple things over and
>over again. Grinding is never hard, it is tedious, repetitive, boring,
>and almost entirely pointless.

Well, in that case, none of it's a grind except possibly the
reputations. Do the questlines ONCE (they don't even all have to be on
the same character, as long as you do all of one zone on one alt!).
Explore places ONCE. No repetitiveness in that at all ;-)

>> unless you levelled doing nothing but instances you'll be 90%+ of the
>> way
>
>I was nowhere near 90% of the way there at level 100 and after months
>at level 100, I still am nowhere near 90%. In fact, for the lore
>master achievement, I don't have a single zone complete. For the
>exploration achievement, I don't have a single zone complete.

Wow. I find that utterly incredible tbh, I know you *can* skip to a
new zone immediately on levelling but I've never thought anyone would
do it to the extreme of not finishing a single zone, even on alts (if
you have any, I don't know your character situation) It's mindboggling
to me :-)

>I was reading up on Shadowmoon valley because I really though I had
>explored everything. The solution to get the exploration achievement was
>to go to the south coast, us the feather to launch yourself into the air
>and then fly over the otherwise inaccessible island off the coast.

Eh, what? Have they never heard of... swimming??

>What the fucking fuck? Are they *serious*?

Erm, no, they're either trolling or really stupid, that might be a
"faster" way of geting there but it's not the *only* way.  Either,
that's the island full of lobsters at the south coast, which is so
near the mainland that you can walk through the water maybe swimming
about two strokes before you reach it. Or it's Darktide Roost, which
you get a mission for in the other part of the achievement (so are
going to anyway), and get given a flightpath to for free (my new lvl
90 horde alt can fly there right now, despite never having set foot in
SMV); if you don't get it for whatever reason, then swim/waterwalking
mount there. 

Den 26-09-2015 kl. 16:04 skrev Lewis:
> In message <d6icte...@mid.individual.net>
>    Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:56:07 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>> In message <mu0q0l$552$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
>>>   Peter T. <pinoc10@hotmail.cum> wrote:
>>>> Den 24-09-2015 kl. 14:11 skrev Lewis:
>>>
>>>>> Most of them I'll never use. I have some set as favorites and I have two
>>>>> bound to specific keys (water strider and travelers mammoth) and that's
>>>>> all I need. I don't foresee ever going for the next level of the
>>>>> achievement.
>>>
>>>> Same here.  My hotkeyed mounts are the waterstrider, the grand
>>>> expedition yak and the flying cloud.  The flying cloud because its small
>>>> and doesnt cover my sight when I fly.
>>>
>>> Flying? You're flying?
>>>
>>> You bastard.
>
>> It's really not that hard to get;
>
> In two months of playing I've made almost zero progress on it. You have
> to explore every zone and complete every quest chain (why? Because we
> want to make sure you've done all our content before we let you use the
> majority of your mounts).
>
> You have to go hunt down treasure chests all over filled with entirely
> useless crap. Many, if not most, of these chest require playing some
> variation on Super Mario Brothers (jump here, run and jump here,
> pirouette here, then mount up and jump onto that pixel there so you can
> run across that rope (Don't fall or you start over!)... yeah, that
> sounds like fun. Oh wait, no it doesn't.
>
> You have to max out the rep with about 10 factions, which means more
> entirely pointless farming since these factions do nothing at all for
> you.
>
> And, to top it off, you have to complete all the randomly available
> quests out of a raft of 12.
>
>> my bf got it a couple of days back and he HATES any kind of grind...
>
> Obviously not since everything required for flying is a grind.
>
>> so if he can do it, anyone can ;-)
>> Just chip away at it a bit at a time, most parts are easy enough,
>
> The definition of grinding is doing pointless simple things over and
> over again. Grinding is never hard, it is tedious, repetitive, boring,
> and almost entirely pointless.
>
>> unless you levelled doing nothing but instances you'll be 90%+ of the
>> way
>
> I was nowhere near 90% of the way there at level 100 and after months
> at level 100, I still am nowhere near 90%. In fact, for the lore
> master achievement, I don't have a single zone complete. For the
> exploration achievement, I don't have a single zone complete.
>
>> to loremaster/exploration for a start - exploration goes really
>> fast if you can get some mug with flying+vial of the sands to fly you
>> around... yeah, *I* did that bit for him :-P
>
> Sure, exploring is easy if you have flying, which is why the ratbastards
> make it a requirement to GET flying.
>
> I was reading up on Shadowmoon valley because I really though I had
> explored everything. The solution to get the exploration achievement was
> to go to the south coast, us the feather to launch yourself into the air
> and then fly over the otherwise inaccessible island off the coast.

That is bullshit.  You can swim to the islands.  And in your garrison 
you can get a quest which will send you to the Darktide Roost and get 
the FP there which makes it even easier for you.

> What the fucking fuck? Are they *serious*?
>
> Who the hell is in charge over there and can we get some new people that
> don't hate the player base? Or at least who don't hate flying?
>
> (yes I know, no, we can't)
>

I'm sure youre playing the wrong game.  Sorry to say..

-- 
Peter T.

On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  In message <d6icte...@mid.individual.net> 
>    Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > unless you levelled doing nothing but instances you'll be 90%+ of the
> > way
> 
>  I was nowhere near 90% of the way there at level 100 and after months
>  at level 100, I still am nowhere near 90%. In fact, for the lore
>  master achievement, I don't have a single zone complete. For the
>  exploration achievement, I don't have a single zone complete.

I know you and Catriona stand on different sides of the whole lore and
storyline issue. However, I agree with her on this part: If you quested to
level 100 instead of only running instances, you might not have these two
achievements complete but at least very close to it.

I only played WoD for less than a month and very casually at that. During
that time I levelled my main from 90 too 100 by questing through each zone
until there were no more quests to be had (which was a fast way to get to
100). That got me the lore master requirements for three or so zones and
also got me to within 2-3 sub-zones of the explorer achievment of the zones
I quested in, so it was quick work to also get that.

Now I accept that once you have reached 100 and are not interested in the
lore, you might not quest through the other zones of the game. In which case
those achievments require a bit of time (i.e. the time it takes to quest
through the remaining zones) but considering I managed to pretty much get
those two achievments in about a week's time, I don't think it is excessive
and though it might be boring if you dislike questing, I certainly wouldn't
call it  repetitive.

I can't speak to the other requirements so I wont :-)

Cheers
Urbin
-- 
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Urbin  (100), Hunter  | Sunh     (81), Priest      | Vargal     (42), Warrior
Greeta  (90), Rogue   | Surana   (75), Mage        | Gera       (26), Paladin
Mymule  (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Tunyatgong (12), Monk

On Sun, 27 Sep 2015 21:26:22 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  In message <slrnn0drd...@stinky-local.trash.net> 
>    Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> >>  In message <d6icte...@mid.individual.net> 
> >>    Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > unless you levelled doing nothing but instances you'll be 90%+ of the
> >> > way
> >> 
> >>  I was nowhere near 90% of the way there at level 100 and after months
> >>  at level 100, I still am nowhere near 90%. In fact, for the lore
> >>  master achievement, I don't have a single zone complete. For the
> >>  exploration achievement, I don't have a single zone complete.
> 
> > I know you and Catriona stand on different sides of the whole lore and
> > storyline issue. However, I agree with her on this part: If you quested to
> > level 100 instead of only running instances, you might not have these two
> > achievements complete but at least very close to it.
> 
>  She is completely wrong on how I leveled. I did quest from 90-100.
> 
> > I only played WoD for less than a month and very casually at that. During
> > that time I levelled my main from 90 too 100 by questing through each zone
> > until there were no more quests to be had (which was a fast way to get to
> > 100).
> 
>  Not as fast as moving to the next zone as soon as you were able to.

Fair enough, I didn't think of that. So you'd have reached 100 with more
zones partially finished while I reached 100 with fewer zones visited but
those quested completely dry.

In any case, you would need to quest on once you reached 100, either to go
back and finish all zones (in your case) or to visit the remaining zones and
finish them (in my case).

I know you don't much care for the lore. What I hadn't realised was that you
considered questing in itself a chore as well (I had assumed you would just
do the quests without reading the story in the quest text, but that seems to
have been a wrong assumption; I stand corrected).

For me "grinding" is an easy, boring, repetitive chore. As such I wouldn't
have considered finishing up quests to be "repetitive", hence not a grind.
It seems our perception of what consitutes a grind are different.

I agree that the flying conditions are probably fairly easy to fulfil for
Catriona's or my own playstyle (if I were still playing) but qould require a
lot of things you seem to dislike about the game (independent on how one
defines grinding).

Cheers
Urbin
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Urbin  (100), Hunter  | Sunh     (81), Priest      | Vargal     (42), Warrior
Greeta  (90), Rogue   | Surana   (75), Mage        | Gera       (26), Paladin
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 09:10:27 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  In message <slrnn0hqbf...@stinky-local.trash.net> 
>    Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > I know you don't much care for the lore. What I hadn't realised was that you
> > considered questing in itself a chore as well (I had assumed you would just
> > do the quests without reading the story in the quest text, but that seems to
> > have been a wrong assumption; I stand corrected).
> 
>  I used to like questing. What I don't really like is solo questing.
>  Also, the quest lines are not a challenge at all

Yupp, I agree with you there, even though it makes for easy levelling, I
missed the thrill of knowing I might die to any of the mobs.

The only time I came close to dying (other than from my own stupidity
leading to falling off high places and such) was when I engaged a rare not
realising that unlike the other half dozen rares it had about 15 times the
HP and was sitting in the path of elite patrols. I ended up pulling dozens
of elite mobs, one of them with a couple of million HP. Had to resurrect my
pet several times, laid a lot of traps, feigned death repeatedly, in short,
I had to really use all my hunter skills. I killed the mob with 2% of my
health, then died to one of the remaining 17 elites my pet had tanked while
I tried to revive it.

That was the coolest moment in WoD, it was exciting and required all my
(severely diminished) skill. It reminded me of the hunter class quests in
vanilla or facing Old Sooty around level 12 or so :-)

>  And its not just because my main is a hunter. My DK horde has hit level
>  95 with my having absolutely *no* idea how to play her. Shes about 60%
>  done with Frostridge I think. Maybe more. I just hit 1-6 repeatedly and
>  she kills everything.

Agreed. I raised my Rogue from level 62 to level 90 using the boost. I then
started questing through the scripted WoD quests. At the start I was
severely struggling. It wasn't until I realised that I started off without
any talents, skills or gear of value that I understood why it was so hard.
As the quests progressed and I unlocked talents and skills and got gear as
quest rewards, things steadily got easier and by the time I had finished the
scripted part and arrived at my garrison, I once again was pretty safe from
almost anything at my level despite being on a character I had no longer any
idea how to play.

Cheers
Urbin
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Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)   | Taalas   (85), Shaman      | Juran      (65), Druid
Urbin  (100), Hunter  | Sunh     (81), Priest      | Vargal     (42), Warrior
Greeta  (90), Rogue   | Surana   (75), Mage        | Gera       (26), Paladin
Mymule  (85), Warlock | Kordosch (75), Deathknight | Tunyatgong (12), Monk