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On 4 Aug 2015 13:14:42 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I just got the Blizzard Newsletter containing the following announcement:
>
>> The next chapter in the World of Warcraft® saga is coming! Blizzard will
>> be unveiling the new expansion for World of Warcraft at gamescom 2015 in
>> Cologne, Germany. Watch the live stream on August 6 at 18:00 CEST and get
>> an exclusive look at what the future holds!
>
>It will be interesting to see what they've got to offer...

Yeah, after WoD my enthusiasm is a tad limited (I feel like this was
too short with far too little content for the money we all paid for
it), but hopefully they'll surprise me. I won't get excited until I
can see that there'll actually be interesting stuff to do at max lvl
as well though; even through WoD beta I thought this one was great...
because I only did the levelling experience, not max lvl, doh. Suspect
we'll not get huge detail on this announcement, most will come at
Blizzcon, but we'll see, at least we'll know the general theme :-)

On 4 Aug 2015 13:14:42 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I just got the Blizzard Newsletter containing the following announcement:
>
>> The next chapter in the World of Warcraft® saga is coming! Blizzard will
>> be unveiling the new expansion for World of Warcraft at gamescom 2015 in
>> Cologne, Germany. Watch the live stream on August 6 at 18:00 CEST and get
>> an exclusive look at what the future holds!
>
>It will be interesting to see what they've got to offer...

Well! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/legion/

On the face of it, sounds awesome, Burning Legion, zones I've read
about but we've never seen yet, demon hunters, upgradable artifact
weapons, class orders (return of class quests!) all sounds cool. Lots
of potential for interesting story hooks with names and races from all
over the place - although there's so many that I wonder if it's tying
up the loose ends in the story for the end of the game, hopefully not.

I'll hold onto caution for now, after WoD sounded great, and even
played great, up until reaching max lvl. Question isn't so much can
they create a cool world with interesting story; we all know they can,
but can they make it hold its interest after you've seen it once; will
there be much to do in endgame outside of raids? I didn't expect
answers to that question from this, hopefully Blizzcon will tell us
more; from interviews I've read from Ion Hazzikostas, he has openly
admitted they didn't get it right with WoD, so I do hope the right
lessons have been learned this time.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:37:07 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
> 
>  On 4 Aug 2015 13:14:42 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >I just got the Blizzard Newsletter containing the following announcement:
> >
> >> The next chapter in the World of Warcraft� saga is coming! Blizzard will
> >> be unveiling the new expansion for World of Warcraft at gamescom 2015 in
> >> Cologne, Germany. Watch the live stream on August 6 at 18:00 CEST and get
> >> an exclusive look at what the future holds!
> >
> >It will be interesting to see what they've got to offer...
> 
>  Well! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/legion/
> 
>  On the face of it, sounds awesome, Burning Legion, zones I've read
>  about but we've never seen yet

To me it sounded more like warming up past content yet again.

>  demon hunters, upgradable artifact weapons, class orders (return of class
>  quests!) all sounds cool

Potentially yes, but I guess it all depends on how the implement it.

Demon hunters sound like another variation of warrior/paladin/DK that can
either tank or deal damage, to make it really worth having one I think their
special abilities would need to be really cool, but then not making them
overpowered will be an issue.

Artifacts sound like the system of improving gear to new iLevels with the
addition of being available before max level.

Not sure what to make of class orders, there is not much information yet.

> Lots of potential for interesting story hooks with names and races from
> all over the place - although there's so many that I wonder if it's tying
> up the loose ends

Or just grabbing whatever they could find because they are running out of
new stuff.

>  I'll hold onto caution for now

As you can tell, me too :-)

> after WoD sounded great, and even played great, up until reaching max lvl.
> Question isn't so much can they create a cool world with interesting
> story; we all know they can, but can they make it hold its interest after
> you've seen it once

After we've seen it seven times, actually, because I fear apart from the
story most everything else will be similar to the 100 levels before. For the
lore fans the seventh time round will be cool, for all others, there might
not be enough to hold interest. But now this post starts to sound like the
one I made in the other thread :-)

Cheers
Urbin
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On 7 Aug 2015 06:48:26 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 18:37:07 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>> 
>>  On 4 Aug 2015 13:14:42 GMT, Urbin <urbin@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> >I just got the Blizzard Newsletter containing the following announcement:
>> >
>> >> The next chapter in the World of Warcraft® saga is coming! Blizzard will
>> >> be unveiling the new expansion for World of Warcraft at gamescom 2015 in
>> >> Cologne, Germany. Watch the live stream on August 6 at 18:00 CEST and get
>> >> an exclusive look at what the future holds!
>> >
>> >It will be interesting to see what they've got to offer...
>> 
>>  Well! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/legion/
>> 
>>  On the face of it, sounds awesome, Burning Legion, zones I've read
>>  about but we've never seen yet
>
>To me it sounded more like warming up past content yet again.

Well, we've had Burning legion before, but then they're an everpresent
threat in the storyline, so we were always going to fight them again;
we've know that for years and years :-)

>>  demon hunters, upgradable artifact weapons, class orders (return of class
>>  quests!) all sounds cool
>
>Potentially yes, but I guess it all depends on how the implement it.
>
>Demon hunters sound like another variation of warrior/paladin/DK that can
>either tank or deal damage, to make it really worth having one I think their
>special abilities would need to be really cool, but then not making them
>overpowered will be an issue.

True, I'm not really interested in new classes overall, but people
tend to throw tantrums when there aren't any (I don't understand why,
there's already loads of classes, surely enough to fit any playstyle),
so if there has to be a new one, these at least look cool. Whether the
playstyle interests me is another question; I hope it's not another
one that feels kinda roguelike, because hey, if I want to be a rogue,
I *have* a rogue that was my first main, and I'd rather play him...

>Artifacts sound like the system of improving gear to new iLevels with the
>addition of being available before max level.

Well, to me they sound rather like that Path of the Titans that never
made it in Cataclysm (or was it Wrath? I forget now), as it seems
it'll give you almost like extra talents, rather than only ilvl...
have to wait and see the details but it has potential :-) Although I'm
not sure if seeing every single person wileding variants on the same
spec weapon won't get a bit boring...

>Not sure what to make of class orders, there is not much information yet.

I'm hoping for something like Ravenholdt was for rogues back in the
day, with class flavour and questlines. Could be nice if each class
actually gets different quests, and not all doing exactly the same
stuff; would make levelling alts more appealing.

>> Lots of potential for interesting story hooks with names and races from
>> all over the place - although there's so many that I wonder if it's tying
>> up the loose ends
>
>Or just grabbing whatever they could find because they are running out of
>new stuff.

But people don't like new stuff, if you believe all the tantrums over
MoP, which was all new. I loved it, but apparently others hated it...
*sigh*.

>>  I'll hold onto caution for now
>
>As you can tell, me too :-)

Hehe well I think I'm a little less cautious; as I love the sound of
it all, so I won't write it off before it happens. I just won't get
hugely excited until I can see there'll be stuff to do at max lvl this
time... 

On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 17:01:40 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>Demon hunter makes me think they are Diablo-fying Wow. I despise Diablo.

Demon hunters existed in Warcraft long before Diablo, so far as I
know; we've just not been able to play them till now. Plus the D3
demon hunter is completely different to the WoW one, D3 is more like
WoW hunter (except it can dual wield crossbows), ranged class, while
WoW is melee class, only thing in common is the name from what I can
tell.

>And really, very few people care much about lore and a lot of people
>don't care *at all* about lore.

Yet one of the most common complaints I've seen about WoD is no
storyline at max lvl... it adds something to the experience even for
those who don't see it as a major part of the game. Those who don't
care at all, well, I'm not sure why they'd even play an RPG.... they'd
be better in a hack and slash like Diablo where the primary focus is
loot :-)

>One of the things in the game that I view as a great summary of
>everything that is wrong with WoW is the forced and repeated cinematics.
>Every time I build a boat, cinematic. Everytime I get into Auchadon or
>Grimrail, MULTIPLE cinematics. It really indicates to me a hostility
>toward the player.

I love the cinematics, but not in the middle of an instance. It's
awesome to link stuff like that... but as the healer I know if I stop
and watch I'll get "wtf heal" when I finish watching and find the rest
of the party dying because they pulled... it could use an NPC at the
end who'll replay them if you hit skip, because as it is, I don't get
to see them until I outgear the instance enough to go there solo/duo
with my bf. Waste of good cinematics!

Den 07-08-2015 kl. 19:01 skrev Lewis:

> One of the things in the game that I view as a great summary of
> everything that is wrong with WoW is the forced and repeated cinematics.
> Every time I build a boat, cinematic. Everytime I get into Auchadon or
> Grimrail, MULTIPLE cinematics. It really indicates to me a hostility
> toward the player.

_Most_ times you can press the escape key.  But I agree.

What annoys me most are all the almost invisible obstacles in the 
environment.  A VERY small fence, a very tiny tree there that are very 
hard to see because it has the same colors as all the stuff around it. 
I dont know how many times I have died because I was stuck in a fence 
while I had a handful of mobs around me.

-- 
Peter T.

On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 20:50:51 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <d2k95c...@mid.individual.net> 
>  Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> I love the cinematics,
>
>Over and over and over and over again? Every time I build a boat, which
>has been 15 times so far, I get the same exact cinematic. Every time I
>go to Auchidon I get the exact same cinematics. Once? Fine. Every single
>time? Not fine. Not fine *at* *all*.

Yeah, they need to be optional; that said, I do enjoy seeing them
again if I've not been to a zone/done something in some time, it's
nice to watch again. But every single time, yeah, that's annoying.
Should really be a popup window: "Watch cinematic? Yes/No" rather than
throwing you straight into it. And that shipbuilding one is just
pointless, at least most the dungeon/questline ones add to the story
of the place.