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On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
> Can you get banned here for posting stuff about WoW?
>
> Banned for life from wowhead!
>

you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it

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> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
> 
> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it

Poor Usenet!

Den 13-05-2014 19:16, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>> Can you get banned here for posting stuff about WoW?
>>
>> Banned for life from wowhead!
>>
>
> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it

True.  Usenet was much more fun 10-15 years ago.

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:42:04 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 13-05-2014 19:16, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>> Can you get banned here for posting stuff about WoW?
>>>
>>> Banned for life from wowhead!
>>>
>>
>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>
>True.  Usenet was much more fun 10-15 years ago.

Even 2-3 years back this group was much more active, nowadays it feels
nearly dead. I guess late expansion blues don't help there, a lot of
regulars aren't playing WoW right now. A shame, since I hate most WoW
forums, too many idiots and whiners, this place used to have by far
the best discussions I could find.

On 14/05/2014 3:02 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>
>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>
> Poor Usenet!

At least you don't need a RedFacedTwit account to use it.
A lot of ISPs , at least those around here, don't include server access 
anymore so I don't think many people are even aware of it or what a 
newsreader is.

How many people even know what a DOS CLI is ?

If it doesn't use a web GUI window it doesn't exists.

Nobody in here but us curmudgeons :-)

On 14/05/2014 3:21 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:42:04 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> Den 13-05-2014 19:16, | || ||| ||||| || | skrev:
>>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>> Can you get banned here for posting stuff about WoW?
>>>>
>>>> Banned for life from wowhead!
>>>>
>>>
>>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>>
>> True.  Usenet was much more fun 10-15 years ago.

and a lot more fun 25 years ago at 2400 bits per second, but keeping the 
steam modem fed with coal was a pretty dirty business

>
> Even 2-3 years back this group was much more active, nowadays it feels
> nearly dead. I guess late expansion blues don't help there, a lot of
> regulars aren't playing WoW right now. A shame, since I hate most WoW
> forums, too many idiots and whiners, this place used to have by far
> the best discussions I could find.

It isn't dead , it is just pining for the fjords.


Sorry :-)

Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Even 2-3 years back this group was much more active, nowadays it feels
> nearly dead. I guess late expansion blues don't help there, a lot of
> regulars aren't playing WoW right now. A shame, since I hate most WoW
> forums, too many idiots and whiners, this place used to have by far
> the best discussions I could find.

Catriona is not whine bibber, I take it?  I sometimes like to peruse the
blizzard forums for that "fine whine", but it getting harder to find
every year.

Do the EU Blizzard forums have arrogant S.o.Bs as MVPs?  There is this one
gnome MVP that just rubs me the wrong way, but maybe it's his picture that
really set me off.

On 14/05/2014 5:15 AM, Ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Even 2-3 years back this group was much more active, nowadays it feels
>> nearly dead. I guess late expansion blues don't help there, a lot of
>> regulars aren't playing WoW right now. A shame, since I hate most WoW
>> forums, too many idiots and whiners, this place used to have by far
>> the best discussions I could find.
>
> Catriona is not whine bibber, I take it?  I sometimes like to peruse the
> blizzard forums for that "fine whine", but it getting harder to find
> every year.
>
> Do the EU Blizzard forums have arrogant S.o.Bs as MVPs?  There is this one
> gnome MVP that just rubs me the wrong way, but maybe it's his picture that
> really set me off.

  A fine whine must be aged carefully, mulled, then the recipient is 
waterboarded in it when they least suspect. Young whines are best left 
on the shelf.

  It is their pocket universe so their rules, they say off with your 
head, you fade away to nothing but a grin.  Thread closed by moderator.

Usenet it is up to the individual and their file-de-plonk.

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$49691$c3e8da3$fdf4...@news.astraweb.com:

> On 14/05/2014 3:02 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>
>>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>>
>> Poor Usenet!
> 
> At least you don't need a RedFacedTwit account to use it.
> A lot of ISPs , at least those around here, don't include server access 
> anymore so I don't think many people are even aware of it or what a 
> newsreader is.
> 
> How many people even know what a DOS CLI is ?
> 
> If it doesn't use a web GUI window it doesn't exists.
> 
> Nobody in here but us curmudgeons :-)

CLI? That newfangled thing?

When I started programming, you had to know how to thread
paper tape into an ASR-33 teletype. Punched cards were a
move up.

pt

On 15/05/2014 1:11 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote in news:53726154$0
> $49691$c3e8da3$fdf4...@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> On 14/05/2014 3:02 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>>>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>>>
>>> Poor Usenet!
>>
>> At least you don't need a RedFacedTwit account to use it.
>> A lot of ISPs , at least those around here, don't include server access
>> anymore so I don't think many people are even aware of it or what a
>> newsreader is.
>>
>> How many people even know what a DOS CLI is ?
>>
>> If it doesn't use a web GUI window it doesn't exists.
>>
>> Nobody in here but us curmudgeons :-)
>
> CLI? That newfangled thing?
>
> When I started programming, you had to know how to thread
> paper tape into an ASR-33 teletype. Punched cards were a
> move up.

Sheer luxury, we had to cut down trees to make the paper for our tape 
and it was uphill both ways to the forest :-)

When the boot process involved loading the 'microcode' pinboard it was 
quite arcane, the machine code changed . Microcontrollers still allow that.

Nowadays multicore cpus and processors are the big new thing
so the marketing says.
A few decades and a few trillion dollars and a few thousand times 
faster, but not much has changed.
Just make the hamsters run faster without really advancing any concepts 
in programming or distributed processing. Maybe an order of magnitude 
but way less than several orders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Semiconductor_SC/MP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transputer

I am fascinated by the Raspberry Pi and other controllers, soon a $5 
chip with linux. They are the inheritors of a long line of of things 
that actually run the world.
Instead of games and business computers that make virtual worlds :-)

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> On 15/05/2014 1:11 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote in news:53726154$0
>> $49691$c3e8da3$fdf4...@news.astraweb.com:
>>
>>> On 14/05/2014 3:02 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>>>>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>>>>
>>>> Poor Usenet!
>>>
>>> At least you don't need a RedFacedTwit account to use it.
>>> A lot of ISPs , at least those around here, don't include server
>>> access anymore so I don't think many people are even aware of it or
>>> what a newsreader is.
>>>
>>> How many people even know what a DOS CLI is ?
>>>
>>> If it doesn't use a web GUI window it doesn't exists.
>>>
>>> Nobody in here but us curmudgeons :-)
>>
>> CLI? That newfangled thing?
>>
>> When I started programming, you had to know how to thread
>> paper tape into an ASR-33 teletype. Punched cards were a
>> move up.
> 
> Sheer luxury, we had to cut down trees to make the paper for our tape 
> and it was uphill both ways to the forest :-)
> 
> When the boot process involved loading the 'microcode' pinboard it was
> quite arcane, the machine code changed . Microcontrollers still allow
> that. 

It wasn't quite that bad, but we did have use the front panel switches
to toggle in the boot loader which read the paper tape.

(this was a PDP-8e, circa 1971).

pt

On 16/05/2014 12:07 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
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>
>> On 15/05/2014 1:11 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote in news:53726154$0
>>> $49691$c3e8da3$fdf4...@news.astraweb.com:
>>>
>>>> On 14/05/2014 3:02 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>>> | || ||| ||||| || | <|||||||||||||||||||||> wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/05/2014 1:45 AM, ches...@freeshell.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can't get banned from usenet, but only a dozen people use it
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor Usenet!
>>>>
>>>> At least you don't need a RedFacedTwit account to use it.
>>>> A lot of ISPs , at least those around here, don't include server
>>>> access anymore so I don't think many people are even aware of it or
>>>> what a newsreader is.
>>>>
>>>> How many people even know what a DOS CLI is ?
>>>>
>>>> If it doesn't use a web GUI window it doesn't exists.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody in here but us curmudgeons :-)
>>>
>>> CLI? That newfangled thing?
>>>
>>> When I started programming, you had to know how to thread
>>> paper tape into an ASR-33 teletype. Punched cards were a
>>> move up.
>>
>> Sheer luxury, we had to cut down trees to make the paper for our tape
>> and it was uphill both ways to the forest :-)
>>
>> When the boot process involved loading the 'microcode' pinboard it was
>> quite arcane, the machine code changed . Microcontrollers still allow
>> that.
>
> It wasn't quite that bad, but we did have use the front panel switches
> to toggle in the boot loader which read the paper tape.
>
> (this was a PDP-8e, circa 1971).
Sheer luxury. Really, seriously, THAT was :-)

It just depends when you started and how near the centre of the universe 
you were..
It was the time of transition from hand assembled 256 bytes memory with 
discrete transistors to ttl chips.
Sooo many bc109s (one of the transistors), so many solder connections.
Getting an octal/hex display was a step up.
Goodness,having a step button and a hex keypad was a step up.
Address,data,deposit,Address,data,deposit,Address,data,deposit, in binary.
Get some more chips, probably $200 in todays money.
Address in hex,data in hex,deposit,step, sheer luxury.
I started into it as a teenager working on a mine in central Australia, 
saving up for uni, reading magazines and ordering the parts from the US 
by snail mail. There wasn't much else to do apart from drink and gamble, 
the pay was very good , about the only thing that was.
You had a job that had a table and chair, you get to sit down? sheer 
luxury  :-)

You could check out the pi and similar microcontrollers.

Many devices now are pretty much single chip with a few 
support/interface components have a GUI and an OS. Modems, 'smart' 
phones (for people who know they need all the help they can get :-)