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Peter T. babbled:
> 2 hours of waiting time for third wing in SoO/lfr...  WAUW!
>
> I need 13 Secrets for the legendary quest line. :(

Yesterday I barely finished first wing after endless wipes at second and 
third boss and 3-4 refills of the raid.  That wing approx took me 2 
hours to complete.  Many players rage-quitted which I fully understand. 
  And at a point of the raid we were only 8 man waiting for new players.
An hour ago I had to leave at Nazgrim in second wing due to low dps, 
peeps not following strategy etc..  52m hp left when boss enraged was 
the best attempt... :(

The worst part is that this is pretty common now since flex was introduced.


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Peter T.

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Den 03-01-2014 16:53, Peter T. skrev:

> The worst part is that this is pretty common now since flex was introduced.

I give up doing LFRs unless its wednesday.  Third wing/first boss; a 
single wipe and 8 peeps left the raid...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:31:31 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 03-01-2014 16:53, Peter T. skrev:
>
>> The worst part is that this is pretty common now since flex was introduced.
>
>I give up doing LFRs unless its wednesday.  Third wing/first boss; a 
>single wipe and 8 peeps left the raid...

Ouch. I'm finally going through SoO for the first time this week (had
only done wing 1 before), and not much problems that way, thankfully.
Couple of wipes on some bosses but not usually more than a couple
leave, bigger problem is when tanks leave after the boss they
wanted... third wing tonight, both tanks left after first boss. One
dps produces a tank offspec and clears the trash for us, one tank
arrives soon after, so we kill 2nd boss that way (considering it took
a wipe before clearing, that was quite some time without 2nd official
tank), then the dpser who was a tank leaves... 20 mins of waiting
later, we finally get a new tank! Must've been 40 mins plus in the
queue...

Biggest problem I have with SoO is the LFR ilvl is rubbish. I was in
mostly 522 gear before the patch hit, a lot of it upgraded, and have
since spent tons of time on the Timeless isle. meaning, 553 tier
legs/gloves, a few 559 drops from Ordos, and 535 in nearly every other
slot, all of which I've got to two secondary stats, even if they're
not the optimal ones yet (no spirit, but, eh, mana is not a problem
for me atm anyway, so it's not that big a deal). So, aside from weapon
and one trinket, the 528 LFR drops are pretty useless really, and
don't give me any motivation to bother with the place. Especially
since I got a staff this week so weapon no longer needed either (and I
have a 522 trinket).

Den 12-01-2014 23:30, Catriona R skrev:

>> I give up doing LFRs unless its wednesday.  Third wing/first boss; a
>> single wipe and 8 peeps left the raid...
>
> Ouch. I'm finally going through SoO for the first time this week (had
> only done wing 1 before), and not much problems that way, thankfully.
> Couple of wipes on some bosses but not usually more than a couple
> leave, bigger problem is when tanks leave after the boss they
> wanted... third wing tonight, both tanks left after first boss. One
> dps produces a tank offspec and clears the trash for us, one tank
> arrives soon after, so we kill 2nd boss that way (considering it took
> a wipe before clearing, that was quite some time without 2nd official
> tank), then the dpser who was a tank leaves... 20 mins of waiting
> later, we finally get a new tank! Must've been 40 mins plus in the
> queue...

I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it. 
  1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks 
and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low 
healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the 
last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.
I discussed this with my guildies recently.  And it seems that only 
wednesdays and most thursdays are good for SoO/lfr.  Every lfr needs a 
few heavy dps trucks and 1 experienced tank and those vanishes as they 
usually also does flex and normal thursday and friday night until 
they're vp capped.  Thats my - I hope - valid guess.

>
> Biggest problem I have with SoO is the LFR ilvl is rubbish. I was in
> mostly 522 gear before the patch hit, a lot of it upgraded, and have
> since spent tons of time on the Timeless isle. meaning, 553 tier
> legs/gloves, a few 559 drops from Ordos, and 535 in nearly every other
> slot, all of which I've got to two secondary stats, even if they're
> not the optimal ones yet (no spirit, but, eh, mana is not a problem
> for me atm anyway, so it's not that big a deal). So, aside from weapon
> and one trinket, the 528 LFR drops are pretty useless really, and
> don't give me any motivation to bother with the place. Especially
> since I got a staff this week so weapon no longer needed either (and I
> have a 522 trinket).

I wish you were ally.  My fairly small guild does flex raids for main 
and alts with other small guilds and we usually manage to pick up 12-18 
peeps every flex raid night 3 times a week).  Cozy and relaxing 
atmosphere with a lot of mature +35y peeps.  It would have been a 
pleasure to invite you. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

Den 13-01-2014 09:42, Peter T. skrev:

> I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it.
>   1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks
> and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low
> healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the
> last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.

Ive been in raids where one or both tank dies and nobody resses the tank 
despite the raid is full of battle ressers.  THAT IS SCARY! :(

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:42:14 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 12-01-2014 23:30, Catriona R skrev:
>
>>> I give up doing LFRs unless its wednesday.  Third wing/first boss; a
>>> single wipe and 8 peeps left the raid...
>>
>> Ouch. I'm finally going through SoO for the first time this week (had
>> only done wing 1 before), and not much problems that way, thankfully.
>> Couple of wipes on some bosses but not usually more than a couple
>> leave, bigger problem is when tanks leave after the boss they
>> wanted... third wing tonight, both tanks left after first boss. One
>> dps produces a tank offspec and clears the trash for us, one tank
>> arrives soon after, so we kill 2nd boss that way (considering it took
>> a wipe before clearing, that was quite some time without 2nd official
>> tank), then the dpser who was a tank leaves... 20 mins of waiting
>> later, we finally get a new tank! Must've been 40 mins plus in the
>> queue...
>
>I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it. 
>  1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks 
>and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low 
>healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the 
>last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.
>I discussed this with my guildies recently.  And it seems that only 
>wednesdays and most thursdays are good for SoO/lfr.  Every lfr needs a 
>few heavy dps trucks and 1 experienced tank and those vanishes as they 
>usually also does flex and normal thursday and friday night until 
>they're vp capped.  Thats my - I hope - valid guess.

Sounds fairly likely, I was surprised to have so little trouble
running through on a weekend tbh! No more than 2 wipes on any boss,
despite not having really high-geared folk in tanking/healing, going
by healthpools. Thok the Bloodthirsty was possibly the toughestes but
we got him the 3rd time. Maybe it's just a different pool of players
involved (I see below you're Alliance, although I wouldn't expect that
big a diference between the factions), or maybe I was just lucky! Or
perhaps my high gear despite not knowing the encounters helped the
healing side lol; healing meters don't really tell you much, I know,
but I was consistently top of them, so I guess the actually good
healers had all been and done it earlier in the week/don't bother at
all any more.

>I wish you were ally.  My fairly small guild does flex raids for main 
>and alts with other small guilds and we usually manage to pick up 12-18 
>peeps every flex raid night 3 times a week).  Cozy and relaxing 
>atmosphere with a lot of mature +35y peeps.  It would have been a 
>pleasure to invite you. :)

Sounds a cool group, although most raidgroups want voice, which I
don't use, so I likely wouldn't be a fit for you anyway; I gave up
raiding with organised groups years ago because of that, nobody ever
wants me :-)

My first ally alt made it to 90 this week actually, but isn't likely
to gear up much; it's a rogue, and raids are so melee unfriendly that
I just don't fancy the stress of trying the LFR with him lol. Also
it's bloody hard to get anything off the Timeless isle on Alliance -
Draenor is just a little lopsided in population, so Celestials/Ordos
will never ever happen (I'll try the raid browser on Wednesday and see
if there's any chance at all of a crossrealm group), and I can't even
find the rares when timers don't work - there's just so few alliance
on the isle that nobody ever actually sees them so timers never get
updated. I have to go there when my bf is there on horde and look over
at his screen to get an idea what rares are due.....

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:51:27 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 13-01-2014 09:42, Peter T. skrev:
>
>> I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it.
>>   1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks
>> and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low
>> healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the
>> last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.
>
>Ive been in raids where one or both tank dies and nobody resses the tank 
>despite the raid is full of battle ressers.  THAT IS SCARY! :(

Argh :-( I know that one well but a lot just don't realise they can do
it, I think. The other day I had someone ask me (a priest!) for a
battleres on Cinderfall... seems there's a little lack of knowledge of
which clases actually have the ability :-P

Also liked in LFR last night when we wiped, a shaman ankh'ed, great!
Then wandered around for ages without ressing anyone, sigh. Ok, not
every guild has massres, that's fine (mine only got it a couple of
months back), but hey, res a few others who can res normally at least?

Den 13-01-2014 12:40, Catriona R skrev:

> Sounds a cool group, although most raidgroups want voice, which I
> don't use, so I likely wouldn't be a fit for you anyway; I gave up
> raiding with organised groups years ago because of that, nobody ever
> wants me :-)

There is a few peeps who talks.  The rest of us use the chat window. 
And my non-existent microphone is broken anyway.  I just listen to all 
the babbling and having a good laugh when our raid leader whispers 
"mass-erection incoming" after a wipe. ;)

> My first ally alt made it to 90 this week actually, but isn't likely
> to gear up much; it's a rogue, and raids are so melee unfriendly that
> I just don't fancy the stress of trying the LFR with him lol. Also
> it's bloody hard to get anything off the Timeless isle on Alliance -
> Draenor is just a little lopsided in population, so Celestials/Ordos
> will never ever happen (I'll try the raid browser on Wednesday and see
> if there's any chance at all of a crossrealm group),

On wednesdays, thursdays and sometimes fridays you should get an invite 
for Ordos or Cele within 30-60 secs.  Wednesday is crazy as you get 
invited the same second you list yourself.  Literally. ^^

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:48:34 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 13-01-2014 12:40, Catriona R skrev:
>
>> Sounds a cool group, although most raidgroups want voice, which I
>> don't use, so I likely wouldn't be a fit for you anyway; I gave up
>> raiding with organised groups years ago because of that, nobody ever
>> wants me :-)
>
>There is a few peeps who talks.  The rest of us use the chat window. 
>And my non-existent microphone is broken anyway.  I just listen to all 
>the babbling and having a good laugh when our raid leader whispers 
>"mass-erection incoming" after a wipe. ;)

Hehe :-) It's the listening bit that I don't do though and groups hate
that, so it's not usually worth even asking...

>> My first ally alt made it to 90 this week actually, but isn't likely
>> to gear up much; it's a rogue, and raids are so melee unfriendly that
>> I just don't fancy the stress of trying the LFR with him lol. Also
>> it's bloody hard to get anything off the Timeless isle on Alliance -
>> Draenor is just a little lopsided in population, so Celestials/Ordos
>> will never ever happen (I'll try the raid browser on Wednesday and see
>> if there's any chance at all of a crossrealm group),
>
>On wednesdays, thursdays and sometimes fridays you should get an invite 
>for Ordos or Cele within 30-60 secs.  Wednesday is crazy as you get 
>invited the same second you list yourself.  Literally. ^^

Great, I sure hope it's that good! Always looks dead when I've looked
on Horde, but then I only look late in the week, since on Wednesday
groups are running every few mins on my server anyway!

Den 13-01-2014 09:51, Peter T. skrev:
> Den 13-01-2014 09:42, Peter T. skrev:
>
>> I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it.
>>   1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks
>> and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low
>> healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the
>> last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.
>
> Ive been in raids where one or both tank dies and nobody resses the tank
> despite the raid is full of battle ressers.  THAT IS SCARY! :(

Btw.  Did I forget to tell I did first 3 bosses in second wing monday 
night while wearing cloak of coordination and forager gloves?  I felt SO 
stupid when I realized that. ;)  Luckily I did it on a lowgeared alt...

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:02:09 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 13-01-2014 09:51, Peter T. skrev:
>> Den 13-01-2014 09:42, Peter T. skrev:
>>
>>> I have tried spending 2�-3 hours on a single wing without completing it.
>>>   1 boss down, 5 peeps leaves, next boss, waiting for maybe 1-2 tanks
>>> and 2 heals etc...  Last boss.  The raid fall apart due to low dps, low
>>> healing or bad tanking from dpsers with tank offspec.  Requeue for the
>>> last boss 1-2 days later.  Same scenario.
>>
>> Ive been in raids where one or both tank dies and nobody resses the tank
>> despite the raid is full of battle ressers.  THAT IS SCARY! :(
>
>Btw.  Did I forget to tell I did first 3 bosses in second wing monday 
>night while wearing cloak of coordination and forager gloves?  I felt SO 
>stupid when I realized that. ;)  Luckily I did it on a lowgeared alt...

Hehehe so easy to do! I've found myself still with a fishing pole
equipped halfway through an intance in the past... that's a little
embarrassing ;-)

Den 15-01-2014 14:28, Catriona R skrev:

>> Btw.  Did I forget to tell I did first 3 bosses in second wing monday
>> night while wearing cloak of coordination and forager gloves?  I felt SO
>> stupid when I realized that. ;)  Luckily I did it on a lowgeared alt...
>
> Hehehe so easy to do! I've found myself still with a fishing pole
> equipped halfway through an intance in the past... that's a little
> embarrassing ;-)

One of my guildies did that too in wrath.  4 og 5 bosses down in 
Icecrown before she realized she was using a pole. :D

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:58:14 +0000, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>>> My first ally alt made it to 90 this week actually, but isn't likely
>>> to gear up much; it's a rogue, and raids are so melee unfriendly that
>>> I just don't fancy the stress of trying the LFR with him lol. Also
>>> it's bloody hard to get anything off the Timeless isle on Alliance -
>>> Draenor is just a little lopsided in population, so Celestials/Ordos
>>> will never ever happen (I'll try the raid browser on Wednesday and see
>>> if there's any chance at all of a crossrealm group),
>>
>>On wednesdays, thursdays and sometimes fridays you should get an invite 
>>for Ordos or Cele within 30-60 secs.  Wednesday is crazy as you get 
>>invited the same second you list yourself.  Literally. ^^
>
>Great, I sure hope it's that good! Always looks dead when I've looked
>on Horde, but then I only look late in the week, since on Wednesday
>groups are running every few mins on my server anyway!

Crap, having just done an Ordos group on Horde where an Alliance group
was actually present (unusual!), I'd forgotten that if others in your
group start killing the other faction, you get HKs too. Since my rogue
has always been RP'ed as a diplomat, working towards peace between the
factions*, I want to keep his nice clean 0 HKs record, so, can't
really risk it I guess (I would if it was a serious alt that I wanted
to gear up much, but I already know I don't plan to do LFR or anything
with him). A downside to worldbosses lol, there's other faction people
present :-P

*Yes, it's bloody hard to justify some questlines in Pandaria as a
result; however, he was at Theramore in the aftermath of the bombing,
and has enough knowledge of the state of things to realise that
Garrosh and his lackeys are a danger to all of Azeroth, so doesn't
have a problem with quests killing them (this logic will also let me
see Operation Shieldwall, I hope!). The innocent Sunwalker scout in
Krasarang was another matter, however at the time I was questing with
a night elf druid who savagely murdered said scout while my back was
turned since I was fighting a tiger at the time... I got the quest
credit anyway ;-)

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:56:13 +0100, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>Den 15-01-2014 14:28, Catriona R skrev:
>
>>> Btw.  Did I forget to tell I did first 3 bosses in second wing monday
>>> night while wearing cloak of coordination and forager gloves?  I felt SO
>>> stupid when I realized that. ;)  Luckily I did it on a lowgeared alt...
>>
>> Hehehe so easy to do! I've found myself still with a fishing pole
>> equipped halfway through an intance in the past... that's a little
>> embarrassing ;-)
>
>One of my guildies did that too in wrath.  4 og 5 bosses down in 
>Icecrown before she realized she was using a pole. :D

I think that's one of the best things about being able to fish without
a pole; ok, I still use it for open water fishing, as you need higher
skill there, but for pools no longer do I forget to change weapon (or
get jumped by a mob mid-cast and hurriedly have to equip my weapons
again!). So easy to forget you've got the wrong item equipped
otherwise (same for fishing hats, especially if you don't have display
helm on.... :-))