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On 6/29/2013 2:31 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
>
>
> Still got no idea what the heck was causing that aggro - either, it
> was a very strange bug, or, somebody's found a novel way to grief,

Sounds like a griefer to me; I've noticed quite an uptick in them
the last few weeks for some reason, maybe cause the kids are out of
school for the summer, I dunno.

I wish I'd hurry up and get the tier armor pieces to drop to finish
my 4 set so I can be done with these.  I quite enjoyed LFR when it
came out for Deathwing in Cata, those were fun to me.  ToT not at all.
Long and boring with the amount of trash to clear, and the boss fights
aren't all that inspiring either.  When the insults start flying from
the elitists because of a wipe, it makes the experience barely 
tolerable.  But I'll keep pushing through this necessary evil.

(Every set of patch notes it seems they claim they've upped the chances
of winning something on an encounter, but I sure havn't seen this.  Glad
Mogu Runes of Fate don't take up inventory space cuz they're damn 
worthless!)

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:34:12 -0400, Bruce Smith <mist...@sprynet.com>
wrote:

>On 6/29/2013 2:31 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>> Still got no idea what the heck was causing that aggro - either, it
>> was a very strange bug, or, somebody's found a novel way to grief,
>
>Sounds like a griefer to me; I've noticed quite an uptick in them
>the last few weeks for some reason, maybe cause the kids are out of
>school for the summer, I dunno.

Yeah, probably was, given if it was a bug I'd expect the forums to be
in uproar from other groups encountering it. I'm just confused how it
was done, since the entire raid was watching carefully after the first
couple of times - only time we saw anyone possible to blame was the
mage on Megaera, but tbh I don't think he went any close than anyone
else did, and he wasn't close on any of the other wipes. If it's
griefing, there's a new exploit out there I guess, to achieve so many
wipes without anyone catching sight of who did it :-/

>I wish I'd hurry up and get the tier armor pieces to drop to finish
>my 4 set so I can be done with these.  I quite enjoyed LFR when it
>came out for Deathwing in Cata, those were fun to me.  ToT not at all.
>Long and boring with the amount of trash to clear, and the boss fights
>aren't all that inspiring either.  When the insults start flying from
>the elitists because of a wipe, it makes the experience barely 
>tolerable.  But I'll keep pushing through this necessary evil.

I still like it, probably because most of it is new to me; thankfully
I haven't met many of the eitists lately (I was so glad there were
none in tonight's group; a wipefest is bearable when people sound
friendly and interested in a solution, rather than sarcastic sniping
all over the place, which just makes me see red frankly; I'd have left
after 2-3 wipes if it'd gone that way rather than putting up with it
for probably about 10!

>(Every set of patch notes it seems they claim they've upped the chances
>of winning something on an encounter, but I sure havn't seen this.  Glad
>Mogu Runes of Fate don't take up inventory space cuz they're damn 
>worthless!)

Hehe, it's slightly improved but usually on content I'm not doing any
more! Would love a boost to Secrets of the Empire droprate; I don't
need anything earlier than the final LFR but I do need those secrets
for the legendary chain... 7/20 atm, the last one took about 8
attempts to get, and I've had another 5 tries since it dropped...

Den 29-06-2013 20:31, Catriona R skrev:

> Next trash pack pulled, few seconds later, bam, Tortos joins in. Huh?
> We get a few of the bats down before wiping. Try again, same result,
> meanwhile we're all watching really carefully to see what could
> possibly be causing it, nothing obvious comes to mind. The next try we
> all stayed up on the ledge, so as to be absolutely nowhere near the
> boss... he still aggroed!

Thats odd as you should be out of range of the boss.  So nobody should 
be able to even cast a weak dot on him on that distance.
Personally I would have left the raid at that point as it was obvious 
the dungeon was buggy. :)

-- 
Peter T.

On Sunday, June 30, 2013 11:09:20 AM UTC-4, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 29-06-2013 20:31, Catriona R skrev:
> 
> 
> 
> > Next trash pack pulled, few seconds later, bam, Tortos joins in. Huh?
> 
> > We get a few of the bats down before wiping. Try again, same result,
> 
> > meanwhile we're all watching really carefully to see what could
> 
> > possibly be causing it, nothing obvious comes to mind. The next try we
> 
> > all stayed up on the ledge, so as to be absolutely nowhere near the
> 
> > boss... he still aggroed!
> 
> 
> 
> Thats odd as you should be out of range of the boss.  So nobody should 
> 
> be able to even cast a weak dot on him on that distance.
> 
> Personally I would have left the raid at that point as it was obvious 
> 
> the dungeon was buggy. :)
> 

Sounds much more of a case of one of the "pro-raiders" being a bored fuck up and griefing.

Interestingly, just experienced it again - 5 successive wipes on
Megaera, people blamed a monk's pet but it happened twice more after
he got kicked. Nobody anywhere near boss, no projectiles showing, only
people shown as doing dmg were a shaman (lightning shield) and the
tank who attempted to get control on one wipe, so... hmm. I don't get
it. 

Really gets annoying when you want to get secrets, but screw it, I got
Ji'Kun last time I queued, and Tortos this time, Megara can wait for
next week, coming to hate that fight now....

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 23:28:01 +0100, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Really gets annoying when you want to get secrets, but screw it, I got
>Ji'Kun last time I queued, and Tortos this time, Megara can wait for
>next week, coming to hate that fight now....

Curses... just done every other boss in the place and I am now on
19...! Oh well, won't kill me to wait to Wednesday and do fights I
dislike rather less than Megaera :-P Cannot wait to never need to do
that segment again; I shall just buy Ji-Kun's hatchling rather than
keep farming for the drop lol.

On 7/20/2013 6:28 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> Interestingly, just experienced it again - 5 successive wipes on
> Megaera, people blamed a monk's pet but it happened twice more after
> he got kicked. Nobody anywhere near boss, no projectiles showing, only
> people shown as doing dmg were a shaman (lightning shield) and the
> tank who attempted to get control on one wipe, so... hmm. I don't get
> it.
>
> Really gets annoying when you want to get secrets, but screw it, I got
> Ji'Kun last time I queued, and Tortos this time, Megara can wait for
> next week, coming to hate that fight now....
>

Hmmm - Unusual...I find that fight one of the more easy ones of the 
raids.  The only wipes were from getting to the "staging" point after 
the trash.  Many, including myself, like to jump down the waterfall and 
swim, where you automatically pop out at the staging point.  Wipes there 
have been because some ding-dong decides to come down the other way and 
drag trash when only 1/4 of the raid has assembled.

As far as the fight, it's actually quite boring as dps.  One tank takes 
the blue, one on the green...Stand in one spot (usually marked) 
pew-pew...when it dies, slide over to the other, pew-pew....back and 
forth.  Healing it is also usually not to bad *if* dps stand grouped up 
like they are supposed to for aoe heals during the big hit parts *AND* 
if the person marked for cinders runs out when they get it *AND* if some 
moron doesn't have an itchy trigger finger on the despell and end up 
dispelling the cinders right in group.  Those are the only challenges on 
that fight.  Everyone stay in group, get cinders run out, and only 
dispell after the person is clear.   Those have been the only times I 
have lost people as a healer...cinders or some idiot messing things up 
with the cinders...

Bad luck I guess for you....My bad luck on that instance always came 
with the turtle.  Took forever to get though that when if first came 
out, and even now - the only reason I've had groups NOT wipe was because 
many people are overgeared now.  Many succesful attempts now would have 
been wipes a few months ago.

Of all the 4 ToT bosses there is still one that I hold me breath for 
that seems like a 50-50 shot on whether there is a wipe, and that is the 
eyeball (first boss on ToT, part 3).  There are always a bunch of people 
that just can't get though that maze.   This is one case where chances 
of a fights success , IMO, seems to be increased based on a players PC. 
  If you have a bit of lag or low graphics, the path on the maze could 
be very difficult to navigate and there is very little room for error.....

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:50:15 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 7/20/2013 6:28 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> Interestingly, just experienced it again - 5 successive wipes on
>> Megaera, people blamed a monk's pet but it happened twice more after
>> he got kicked. Nobody anywhere near boss, no projectiles showing, only
>> people shown as doing dmg were a shaman (lightning shield) and the
>> tank who attempted to get control on one wipe, so... hmm. I don't get
>> it.
>>
>> Really gets annoying when you want to get secrets, but screw it, I got
>> Ji'Kun last time I queued, and Tortos this time, Megara can wait for
>> next week, coming to hate that fight now....
>>
>
>Hmmm - Unusual...I find that fight one of the more easy ones of the 
>raids.  The only wipes were from getting to the "staging" point after 
>the trash.  Many, including myself, like to jump down the waterfall and 
>swim, where you automatically pop out at the staging point.  Wipes there 
>have been because some ding-dong decides to come down the other way and 
>drag trash when only 1/4 of the raid has assembled.

Yeah, seen a couple that way, but these wipes... these are the boss
aggroing and aoe spamming us while we're nowhere near her, nor ready
to engage. Seems to be either a bug or an exploit (I'm guessing an
exploit being used for griefing), as I found a thread on the official
forums where a couple of others reported it too - doesn't seem to be
many people affected enough to bother commenting, so perhaps I've just
been really unlucky ending up in two runs that have had this happen!

>As far as the fight, it's actually quite boring as dps.  One tank takes 
>the blue, one on the green...Stand in one spot (usually marked) 
>pew-pew...when it dies, slide over to the other, pew-pew....back and 
>forth.  Healing it is also usually not to bad *if* dps stand grouped up 
>like they are supposed to for aoe heals during the big hit parts *AND* 
>if the person marked for cinders runs out when they get it *AND* if some 
>moron doesn't have an itchy trigger finger on the despell and end up 
>dispelling the cinders right in group.  Those are the only challenges on 
>that fight.  Everyone stay in group, get cinders run out, and only 
>dispell after the person is clear.   Those have been the only times I 
>have lost people as a healer...cinders or some idiot messing things up 
>with the cinders...

Oh, cinders is fun... also people standing in front of the poison boss
to dps :-P I've taken to targetting the person with cinders so I can
see on my minimap where they are before dispelling, sadly other
healers have not all figured that one out yet and sometimes it doesn't
go well!

>Bad luck I guess for you....My bad luck on that instance always came 
>with the turtle.  Took forever to get though that when if first came 
>out, and even now - the only reason I've had groups NOT wipe was because 
>many people are overgeared now.  Many succesful attempts now would have 
>been wipes a few months ago.

Heh, I've never had trouble with him except the one time where someone
was constantly aggoring him. Biggest challenge is healing when you
spend 90% of your time flying thanks to turtles everywhere, I've come
to the conclusion that while I use Inner Fire for nearly every fight,
the mana reduction on instants from Inner Will is worth it for this
one, since all I can do is spam instants (and occasionally attempt to
get a PoH or Divine Hymn off, but usually a turtle messes that up for
me).

>Of all the 4 ToT bosses there is still one that I hold me breath for 
>that seems like a 50-50 shot on whether there is a wipe, and that is the 
>eyeball (first boss on ToT, part 3).  There are always a bunch of people 
>that just can't get though that maze.   This is one case where chances 
>of a fights success , IMO, seems to be increased based on a players PC. 
>  If you have a bit of lag or low graphics, the path on the maze could 
>be very difficult to navigate and there is very little room for error.....

I've only done him a few times and urgh, yeah, I'm sometimes one of
those who goes splat still, the maze is way hard to actually find for
me, and I tend to follow other people and only realise when it's too
late that they have no more clue than I do... I'm hoping practice will
help me but most the time I just can't see a clear spot, and spots
that look almost clear (only a tiny bit of purple) still hurt.
Toughest fight in the place I think, my dslike of Megaera is down to
my bad experiences with  griefers causing wipefests rather than it
being a hard fight in itself!

On 7/22/2013 9:05 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
>> As far as the fight, it's actually quite boring as dps.  One tank takes
>> the blue, one on the green...Stand in one spot (usually marked)
>> pew-pew...when it dies, slide over to the other, pew-pew....back and
>> forth.  Healing it is also usually not to bad *if* dps stand grouped up
>> like they are supposed to for aoe heals during the big hit parts *AND*
>> if the person marked for cinders runs out when they get it *AND* if some
>> moron doesn't have an itchy trigger finger on the despell and end up
>> dispelling the cinders right in group.  Those are the only challenges on
>> that fight.  Everyone stay in group, get cinders run out, and only
>> dispell after the person is clear.   Those have been the only times I
>> have lost people as a healer...cinders or some idiot messing things up
>> with the cinders...
>
> Oh, cinders is fun... also people standing in front of the poison boss
> to dps :-P I've taken to targetting the person with cinders so I can
> see on my minimap where they are before dispelling, sadly other
> healers have not all figured that one out yet and sometimes it doesn't
> go well!

I just watch the group...You can see the cinders on the player as well 
as the little quote talking bubble above his head that say "cinders on 
so-and-so"...I just watch him run out and when he's clear, dispell.  95% 
of the time, they will run behind the group, but have had others run 
towards the bosses...not sure why, but as long as they leave the group 
its all good.   The interesting thing is seeing the delay from when they 
get it, to when they move.  Sometimes it's a second, which could be 
either  their lag or before they realize they have it.  The others your 
waiting and waiting... Funny thing is you just *know* at a particular 
time before it goes off that the person is clueless, and you say it in 
your head that he's not going to move and you are already backing out of 
the group...  :)

>
>> Bad luck I guess for you....My bad luck on that instance always came
>> with the turtle.  Took forever to get though that when if first came
>> out, and even now - the only reason I've had groups NOT wipe was because
>> many people are overgeared now.  Many succesful attempts now would have
>> been wipes a few months ago.
>
> Heh, I've never had trouble with him except the one time where someone
> was constantly aggoring him. Biggest challenge is healing when you
> spend 90% of your time flying thanks to turtles everywhere, I've come
> to the conclusion that while I use Inner Fire for nearly every fight,
> the mana reduction on instants from Inner Will is worth it for this
> one, since all I can do is spam instants (and occasionally attempt to
> get a PoH or Divine Hymn off, but usually a turtle messes that up for
> me).

heh - One fight I don't mind being a resto druid.  Doesn't bother me 
when the turtles hit me and I fly.  95% of my spells are instant dots, 
which I can still cast while popping up and down after getting hit.  I 
don't even bother moving for them unless I'm planning on using my 
tranquility.  Once I set up shop where I can reach both tanks, I only 
move for the ceiling collapses (blue circles).  lol

I should have clarified that my problems with the turtle were when it 
first came out on my mage.  Doing that fight on arcane is a PITA (Pain 
in the arse).  However, with my gear being reforged for arcane, I've 
found it makes little difference switching to frost without reforging 
for that spec...I get close to the same numbers as frost with gear 
reforged for arcane than I do just staying arcane....

>
>> Of all the 4 ToT bosses there is still one that I hold me breath for
>> that seems like a 50-50 shot on whether there is a wipe, and that is the
>> eyeball (first boss on ToT, part 3).  There are always a bunch of people
>> that just can't get though that maze.   This is one case where chances
>> of a fights success , IMO, seems to be increased based on a players PC.
>>   If you have a bit of lag or low graphics, the path on the maze could
>> be very difficult to navigate and there is very little room for error.....
>
> I've only done him a few times and urgh, yeah, I'm sometimes one of
> those who goes splat still, the maze is way hard to actually find for
> me, and I tend to follow other people and only realise when it's too
> late that they have no more clue than I do... I'm hoping practice will
> help me but most the time I just can't see a clear spot, and spots
> that look almost clear (only a tiny bit of purple) still hurt.

It seems not many people realize that the 3 trash mobs at the beginning 
of the dungeon are what I call little training grounds to help you see 
what your supposed to be looking for.  Each one casts a little purple 
circle that drags about 5 players into.  It is a mini version of the big 
one that comes during the boss fight, and there is a path that develops 
for the players in there to follow while they dps the center eye thing. 
  Players on the outside of this cannot dps the target or heal the 
players inside unless they touch the wall, which will drag them in too. 
  I sometimes jump in when I see the players taking a ton of damage and 
they look like they are going to die, so I can heal them

I suggest that the next time you run that instance, you voluntarily jump 
into all three.  You'll be able to practice three times before the main 
event....  :)

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:57:51 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 7/22/2013 9:05 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>>> As far as the fight, it's actually quite boring as dps.  One tank takes
>>> the blue, one on the green...Stand in one spot (usually marked)
>>> pew-pew...when it dies, slide over to the other, pew-pew....back and
>>> forth.  Healing it is also usually not to bad *if* dps stand grouped up
>>> like they are supposed to for aoe heals during the big hit parts *AND*
>>> if the person marked for cinders runs out when they get it *AND* if some
>>> moron doesn't have an itchy trigger finger on the despell and end up
>>> dispelling the cinders right in group.  Those are the only challenges on
>>> that fight.  Everyone stay in group, get cinders run out, and only
>>> dispell after the person is clear.   Those have been the only times I
>>> have lost people as a healer...cinders or some idiot messing things up
>>> with the cinders...
>>
>> Oh, cinders is fun... also people standing in front of the poison boss
>> to dps :-P I've taken to targetting the person with cinders so I can
>> see on my minimap where they are before dispelling, sadly other
>> healers have not all figured that one out yet and sometimes it doesn't
>> go well!
>
>I just watch the group...You can see the cinders on the player as well 
>as the little quote talking bubble above his head that say "cinders on 
>so-and-so"...I just watch him run out and when he's clear, dispell. 

I don't have speech bubble on, so find it easiest to target them,
since it shows as debuff on the screen - never thought of using speech
bubbles to locate them! But tbh I find the spell effects and stuff on
screen way overwhelming, sometimes I can't even find my own mouse
pointer in the chaos, so if I can use an easy way on my UI instead of
looking at the mess in the fight itself, I do :-)

> 95% 
>of the time, they will run behind the group, but have had others run 
>towards the bosses...not sure why, but as long as they leave the group 
>its all good.   The interesting thing is seeing the delay from when they 
>get it, to when they move.  Sometimes it's a second, which could be 
>either  their lag or before they realize they have it.  The others your 
>waiting and waiting... Funny thing is you just *know* at a particular 
>time before it goes off that the person is clueless, and you say it in 
>your head that he's not going to move and you are already backing out of 
>the group...  :)

Haha yeah, when I see the one who's had rot armor a few times already
get cinders, I expect a nice big puddle of fire in the middle of the
melee. It's a rather funny way of spotting the AFKers too, those who
stay in the group, till the group moves, drop the puddle (sometimes
I've had groups where every healer pays attention and doesn't dispel
the idiot that didn't move, so it lasts the ful duration), and then
still don't move lol. I always find myself hoping nobody heals them,
but I guess aoe heals keep them up...

>> Heh, I've never had trouble with him except the one time where someone
>> was constantly aggoring him. Biggest challenge is healing when you
>> spend 90% of your time flying thanks to turtles everywhere, I've come
>> to the conclusion that while I use Inner Fire for nearly every fight,
>> the mana reduction on instants from Inner Will is worth it for this
>> one, since all I can do is spam instants (and occasionally attempt to
>> get a PoH or Divine Hymn off, but usually a turtle messes that up for
>> me).
>
>heh - One fight I don't mind being a resto druid.  Doesn't bother me 
>when the turtles hit me and I fly.  95% of my spells are instant dots, 
>which I can still cast while popping up and down after getting hit.  I 
>don't even bother moving for them unless I'm planning on using my 
>tranquility.  Once I set up shop where I can reach both tanks, I only 
>move for the ceiling collapses (blue circles).  lol

You're lucky, I am very envious of druids on that fight! Although I
guess pally and shaman healers are jealous of me too, since I do have
a few decent instants! Most my spells are instants tbh, but I do like
to be able to PoH, drop a greater heal on the tank, etc etc, and the
turtles always mess that up for me lol.

>I should have clarified that my problems with the turtle were when it 
>first came out on my mage.  Doing that fight on arcane is a PITA (Pain 
>in the arse).  However, with my gear being reforged for arcane, I've 
>found it makes little difference switching to frost without reforging 
>for that spec...I get close to the same numbers as frost with gear 
>reforged for arcane than I do just staying arcane....

Ahh, I see - must be horrible for any ranged who rely on cast time
spells, I bet!

>> I've only done him a few times and urgh, yeah, I'm sometimes one of
>> those who goes splat still, the maze is way hard to actually find for
>> me, and I tend to follow other people and only realise when it's too
>> late that they have no more clue than I do... I'm hoping practice will
>> help me but most the time I just can't see a clear spot, and spots
>> that look almost clear (only a tiny bit of purple) still hurt.
>
>It seems not many people realize that the 3 trash mobs at the beginning 
>of the dungeon are what I call little training grounds to help you see 
>what your supposed to be looking for.  Each one casts a little purple 
>circle that drags about 5 players into.  It is a mini version of the big 
>one that comes during the boss fight, and there is a path that develops 
>for the players in there to follow while they dps the center eye thing. 
>  Players on the outside of this cannot dps the target or heal the 
>players inside unless they touch the wall, which will drag them in too. 
>  I sometimes jump in when I see the players taking a ton of damage and 
>they look like they are going to die, so I can heal them
>
>I suggest that the next time you run that instance, you voluntarily jump 
>into all three.  You'll be able to practice three times before the main 
>event....  :)

Ahh, I never realised that, and wasn't sure if you *could* jump in or
not, so always just stood around feeling left out on those :-P I'll
give it a try next time then, can only help me, since I suck with the
maze!

Den 22-07-2013 13:50, IYM skrev:

> Hmmm - Unusual...I find that fight one of the more easy ones of the
> raids.  The only wipes were from getting to the "staging" point after
> the trash.  Many, including myself, like to jump down the waterfall and
> swim, where you automatically pop out at the staging point.  Wipes there
> have been because some ding-dong decides to come down the other way and
> drag trash when only 1/4 of the raid has assembled.

I've never understood why ppl are going that way.  You have to kill the 
single 23m hp trash on the ledge anyway before you can progress to ji'kun.
It's a little complicated to explain.  But if a single player runs 
through the single trash and make a jump to the plateau where you fight 
Megaera he can pick aggro from the this single trash and be pulled back 
to the ledge anyway just like when a DK uses the grip ability.  This 
will slow down the whole raid and the dead player cant be ressed after 
he is dead due to LoS from a healer's point.  I have seen this a few 
times in LFR and this area seems to be buggy somehow.  The path through 
the waterfall is still not the most obvious way for many players.  And I 
still hope Blizzard will fix this by redesigning the area here.  But as 
it is now and with lots of non-raiding players around who plays maybe 
4-5 hours hours a week I prefer to go the most obvious way and kill 
trash between the third DOOOONGCRASHBOOMBANG and Megaera. :)

-- 
Peter T.

<https://elite.frontier.co.uk/>

On 7/23/2013 3:30 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 22-07-2013 13:50, IYM skrev:
>
>> Hmmm - Unusual...I find that fight one of the more easy ones of the
>> raids.  The only wipes were from getting to the "staging" point after
>> the trash.  Many, including myself, like to jump down the waterfall and
>> swim, where you automatically pop out at the staging point.  Wipes there
>> have been because some ding-dong decides to come down the other way and
>> drag trash when only 1/4 of the raid has assembled.
>
> I've never understood why ppl are going that way.  You have to kill the
> single 23m hp trash on the ledge anyway before you can progress to ji'kun.
> It's a little complicated to explain.  But if a single player runs
> through the single trash and make a jump to the plateau where you fight
> Megaera he can pick aggro from the this single trash and be pulled back
> to the ledge anyway just like when a DK uses the grip ability.  This
> will slow down the whole raid and the dead player cant be ressed after
> he is dead due to LoS from a healer's point.  I have seen this a few
> times in LFR and this area seems to be buggy somehow.  The path through
> the waterfall is still not the most obvious way for many players.  And I
> still hope Blizzard will fix this by redesigning the area here.  But as
> it is now and with lots of non-raiding players around who plays maybe
> 4-5 hours hours a week I prefer to go the most obvious way and kill
> trash between the third DOOOONGCRASHBOOMBANG and Megaera. :)
>

TBH, the main reason I like going that way on my druid, is that it's the 
one time in any instance I've done on a regular basis that after the 
last gong where after I jump in I can change into my orca, swim past 
everyone else under water and pop out as a fish, while in air transform 
into a tree and plant myself.  :)   lol


I think people go that way so they can start the boss fight faster 
without having to deal with the time of the extra mobs, exp those 
looking for gear or who have already completed the last boss and they 
are getting Secrets of the Empire, etc, etc.  After that boss they leave 
and don't have to deal with the trash anyway.   The main reason I think 
its preferred is that it seems like less trash that way.  When you come 
down the falls, do the boss fight and many times you can avoid the 
wanderers in the mushroom pack and just deal with the one or two larger 
trash after you climb the hill (before the cave entrance).  When you 
come down the cliff as a 25 man raid, it seems every single trash mob in 
the area gets agrro'd by someone....