🚀 go-pugleaf

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>Been pretty quiet in here... :)

Yeah, I've been meaning to say something but first I had to *do*
something worth posting about lol. All I've done this week is farm
rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol :-P

Only other thing of note to mention for me is a new low in character
naming that I saw last night... "Dieniggerdie", is surely not
acceptable in anyone's mind, so I'm hoping that players gets a ban in
addition to the rename they're pretty safe to receive very soon (I
reported him and I'd be surprised if I was alone...)

>So the 4th and last raid of the Thunder King opened up for LFR yesterday 
>and I got the chance to run it last night on "opening night"   I really 
>was not in the mood to do so as opening day generally is a wipefest and 
>wanted to blow through the 1st two sections for valor and perhaps gear 
>drop, but my healing buddy talking / dragged me into it and at least I 
>didn't have a queue.
>
>I had a guildie who got out of his run right before we entered who got 
>the completion achieve, and he had been in there for hours, and was 
>relieved that his lfr group (which I'm sure had changed over many times) 
>finally downed the thunder king....after 20 attempts and a 50% loser buff.

Omg, 20 attempts, eek. Makes me glad I'm still slacking and not even
done the 2nd one yet :-P Intending to get to it this week, we'll see,
problem for me is, because groups are usually rubbish at the end of a
week, if I don't get it done the first few days it has to wait till he
next reset, and usually I'm busy on other stuff the first few days,
hopefully I'll get round to it this time.

<snip>
>We had no wipes on the 1st two bosses (nor did anyone else I talked to) 
>and got the last boss on attempt 8, hence a re-balance of the 1st two to 
>make them harder (this is the last raid, after all - your killing the 
>Thunder King here - come on).
>
>Considering the later attempts all were int he 15 minute range of time, 
>plus having to explain to every new person who came in then watch them 
>die as they experience it for the first time,  and you can understand 
>why it took almost 2-1/2 hours to complete...

Yikes, sounds a bit offbalance then, two too easy and one probably a
bit too hard, oh well. At least you got him in the end! Hopefully by
the time I get around to it it'll be much faster but I'll make sure to
set aside a big chunk of time...

On Apr 17, 10:45 am, Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >Been pretty quiet in here... :)
>
> Yeah, I've been meaning to say something but first I had to *do*
> something worth posting about lol. All I've done this week is farm
> rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
> Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
> of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol :-P
>
> Only other thing of note to mention for me is a new low in character
> naming that I saw last night... "Dieniggerdie", is surely not
> acceptable in anyone's mind, so I'm hoping that players gets a ban in
> addition to the rename they're pretty safe to receive very soon (I
> reported him and I'd be surprised if I was alone...)
>
> >So the 4th and last raid of the Thunder King opened up for LFR yesterday
> >and I got the chance to run it last night on "opening night"   I really
> >was not in the mood to do so as opening day generally is a wipefest and
> >wanted to blow through the 1st two sections for valor and perhaps gear
> >drop, but my healing buddy talking / dragged me into it and at least I
> >didn't have a queue.
>
> >I had a guildie who got out of his run right before we entered who got
> >the completion achieve, and he had been in there for hours, and was
> >relieved that his lfr group (which I'm sure had changed over many times)
> >finally downed the thunder king....after 20 attempts and a 50% loser buff.
>
> Omg, 20 attempts, eek. Makes me glad I'm still slacking and not even
> done the 2nd one yet :-P Intending to get to it this week, we'll see,
> problem for me is, because groups are usually rubbish at the end of a
> week, if I don't get it done the first few days it has to wait till he
> next reset, and usually I'm busy on other stuff the first few days,
> hopefully I'll get round to it this time.
>
> <snip>
>
> >We had no wipes on the 1st two bosses (nor did anyone else I talked to)
> >and got the last boss on attempt 8, hence a re-balance of the 1st two to
> >make them harder (this is the last raid, after all - your killing the
> >Thunder King here - come on).
>
> >Considering the later attempts all were int he 15 minute range of time,
> >plus having to explain to every new person who came in then watch them
> >die as they experience it for the first time,  and you can understand
> >why it took almost 2-1/2 hours to complete...
>
> Yikes, sounds a bit offbalance then, two too easy and one probably a
> bit too hard, oh well. At least you got him in the end! Hopefully by
> the time I get around to it it'll be much faster but I'll make sure to
> set aside a big chunk of time...

I'm up for a Change of Command run :-).

I got home late last night, and had to drop out after the first two
bosses to go to bed. Sounds like I made the right decision. I agree -
they were easier than I expected. I'll have to watch some videos of
the final boss before I go back.

At the moment, I'm mainly trying to max Valor each week, and max Shado-
Pan Assault rep; these are somewhat at odds, because I could get VP
faster in the 5.1 raids. The ilvl 502 items I'm getting from LFR are
only occasionally  interesting - I can purchase a lot of 522 gear at
honored, and will get more at revered. While I've got some of the
latest tier tokens, I'm not going to use them until I can get a 4
piece bonus at least - the previous tier gives a 4 second Holy Light
cooldown, which is very valuable, and not lightly tossed aside.

pt

On 4/17/2013 10:45 AM, Catriona R wrote:
> rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
> Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
> of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol:-P

heh - You *might* want to check that again.....Rumor has it (and you can 
check it out for me to confirm) that they dropped the 6K requirment to 
3K.  Only saw a mention of it in guild chat last night, (as I was busy 
getting my ass kicked by the thunder king) so it may be something they 
are doing for 5.3, as they were discussing 5.3 patch notes....Like I 
said couldn't read it, but it sounds like it's changing if it hasn't 
already.

I completed that on my healer alt and ran one of the required bg's

A little off topic , but:

O...M...G!!  I had the most fun I've had in a long time doing something 
I normally hate.  When I go in on my mage, I die...a lot.  Well, hell - 
that's what mages do in general anyway...heh (joke).  But I'm not the 
best PvP'er by far and to go in and spend half the BG running back from 
the cemetery, kinda sucks.  I kill them, then they kill me.  However - I 
queued and went in on heals on my ilevel 396 druid, in full PvE gear and 
had a blast.  I started off healing my 10 man and I seemed to be getting 
left alone to a point.  Gradually, I think they realized I was a healer 
and mounted a coordinated attack on me.  I see now why PvP druid healers 
were happy when they took out the forced tree form druid heals had to be 
in before cata.....Nothing shouts out "HEY - I'M HEALING OVER HERE!!!" 
like a big damn tree, so I stayed in worgen form.  I kept every hot and 
basically tank healed myself as 3 to 4 of them were working on me and 
couldn't take me down, even cc'ing me.  While they were focused on me, 
my fellow players came up behind them and started taking them out.  When 
they had to change focus off me, I was at full health and started back 
on healing them.   I've never been in a BG where I didn't die, and it 
felt good!  It was still a close match as there were various members of 
both teams still focused on controlling orbs and the such, but as heals 
I hung out in the middle healing everyone and keeping myself alive.  I 
got "Great job" at the end and was told many times there never any 
healers in the groups and that it makes it so much easier when there 
are.  Damn that was fun!

Yea, yea - we probably didn't face the greatest horde team, but if I 
wasn't there it would probably gone to them.  That's the part that felt 
great too, so let me smile a bit before anyone knocks me back to reality 
- which might happen on the next BG.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:20:40 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 4/17/2013 10:45 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>> rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
>> Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
>> of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol:-P
>
>heh - You *might* want to check that again.....Rumor has it (and you can 
>check it out for me to confirm) that they dropped the 6K requirment to 
>3K.  Only saw a mention of it in guild chat last night, (as I was busy 
>getting my ass kicked by the thunder king) so it may be something they 
>are doing for 5.3, as they were discussing 5.3 patch notes....Like I 
>said couldn't read it, but it sounds like it's changing if it hasn't 
>already.

It's in 5.3, so I may as well do it now, given I'm so close, will get
there this week regardless.

>I completed that on my healer alt and ran one of the required bg's
>
>A little off topic , but:
>
>O...M...G!!  I had the most fun I've had in a long time doing something 
>I normally hate.  When I go in on my mage, I die...a lot.  Well, hell - 
>that's what mages do in general anyway...heh (joke).  But I'm not the 
>best PvP'er by far and to go in and spend half the BG running back from 
>the cemetery, kinda sucks.  I kill them, then they kill me.  However - I 
>queued and went in on heals on my ilevel 396 druid, in full PvE gear and 
>had a blast.  I started off healing my 10 man and I seemed to be getting 
>left alone to a point.  Gradually, I think they realized I was a healer 
>and mounted a coordinated attack on me.  I see now why PvP druid healers 
>were happy when they took out the forced tree form druid heals had to be 
>in before cata.....Nothing shouts out "HEY - I'M HEALING OVER HERE!!!" 
>like a big damn tree, so I stayed in worgen form.  I kept every hot and 
>basically tank healed myself as 3 to 4 of them were working on me and 
>couldn't take me down, even cc'ing me.  While they were focused on me, 
>my fellow players came up behind them and started taking them out.  When 
>they had to change focus off me, I was at full health and started back 
>on healing them.   I've never been in a BG where I didn't die, and it 
>felt good!  It was still a close match as there were various members of 
>both teams still focused on controlling orbs and the such, but as heals 
>I hung out in the middle healing everyone and keeping myself alive.  I 
>got "Great job" at the end and was told many times there never any 
>healers in the groups and that it makes it so much easier when there 
>are.  Damn that was fun!
>
>Yea, yea - we probably didn't face the greatest horde team, but if I 
>wasn't there it would probably gone to them.  That's the part that felt 
>great too, so let me smile a bit before anyone knocks me back to reality 
>- which might happen on the next BG.

Sounds fun! I always prefer healing to dps in pvp as I just die all
the time, but at least as a healer I feel useful, can often keep some
other people alive long enough to do some useful damage :-)

On Apr 17, 11:52 am, Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:20:40 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/17/2013 10:45 AM, Catriona R wrote:
> >> rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
> >> Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
> >> of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol:-P
>
> >heh - You *might* want to check that again.....Rumor has it (and you can
> >check it out for me to confirm) that they dropped the 6K requirment to
> >3K.  Only saw a mention of it in guild chat last night, (as I was busy
> >getting my ass kicked by the thunder king) so it may be something they
> >are doing for 5.3, as they were discussing 5.3 patch notes....Like I
> >said couldn't read it, but it sounds like it's changing if it hasn't
> >already.
>
> It's in 5.3, so I may as well do it now, given I'm so close, will get
> there this week regardless.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >I completed that on my healer alt and ran one of the required bg's
>
> >A little off topic , but:
>
> >O...M...G!!  I had the most fun I've had in a long time doing something
> >I normally hate.  When I go in on my mage, I die...a lot.  Well, hell -
> >that's what mages do in general anyway...heh (joke).  But I'm not the
> >best PvP'er by far and to go in and spend half the BG running back from
> >the cemetery, kinda sucks.  I kill them, then they kill me.  However - I
> >queued and went in on heals on my ilevel 396 druid, in full PvE gear and
> >had a blast.  I started off healing my 10 man and I seemed to be getting
> >left alone to a point.  Gradually, I think they realized I was a healer
> >and mounted a coordinated attack on me.  I see now why PvP druid healers
> >were happy when they took out the forced tree form druid heals had to be
> >in before cata.....Nothing shouts out "HEY - I'M HEALING OVER HERE!!!"
> >like a big damn tree, so I stayed in worgen form.  I kept every hot and
> >basically tank healed myself as 3 to 4 of them were working on me and
> >couldn't take me down, even cc'ing me.  While they were focused on me,
> >my fellow players came up behind them and started taking them out.  When
> >they had to change focus off me, I was at full health and started back
> >on healing them.   I've never been in a BG where I didn't die, and it
> >felt good!  It was still a close match as there were various members of
> >both teams still focused on controlling orbs and the such, but as heals
> >I hung out in the middle healing everyone and keeping myself alive.  I
> >got "Great job" at the end and was told many times there never any
> >healers in the groups and that it makes it so much easier when there
> >are.  Damn that was fun!
>
> >Yea, yea - we probably didn't face the greatest horde team, but if I
> >wasn't there it would probably gone to them.  That's the part that felt
> >great too, so let me smile a bit before anyone knocks me back to reality
> >- which might happen on the next BG.
>
> Sounds fun! I always prefer healing to dps in pvp as I just die all
> the time, but at least as a healer I feel useful, can often keep some
> other people alive long enough to do some useful damage :-)

On my runs, my pugs won both BGs the first time around. I *think* I
was a help; most PvPers in pugs are not playing for the team, just for
themselves, and having me (a healer) just healing and *not* trying to
score points was an advantage. I scored very low at the end, but I got
the quest ticked off, which was the important thing.

pt

On Apr 17, 11:16 am, Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 17, 10:45 am, Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Been pretty quiet in here... :)
>
> > Yeah, I've been meaning to say something but first I had to *do*
> > something worth posting about lol. All I've done this week is farm
> > rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
> > Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
> > of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol :-P
>
> > Only other thing of note to mention for me is a new low in character
> > naming that I saw last night... "Dieniggerdie", is surely not
> > acceptable in anyone's mind, so I'm hoping that players gets a ban in
> > addition to the rename they're pretty safe to receive very soon (I
> > reported him and I'd be surprised if I was alone...)
>
> > >So the 4th and last raid of the Thunder King opened up for LFR yesterday
> > >and I got the chance to run it last night on "opening night"   I really
> > >was not in the mood to do so as opening day generally is a wipefest and
> > >wanted to blow through the 1st two sections for valor and perhaps gear
> > >drop, but my healing buddy talking / dragged me into it and at least I
> > >didn't have a queue.
>
> > >I had a guildie who got out of his run right before we entered who got
> > >the completion achieve, and he had been in there for hours, and was
> > >relieved that his lfr group (which I'm sure had changed over many times)
> > >finally downed the thunder king....after 20 attempts and a 50% loser buff.
>
> > Omg, 20 attempts, eek. Makes me glad I'm still slacking and not even
> > done the 2nd one yet :-P Intending to get to it this week, we'll see,
> > problem for me is, because groups are usually rubbish at the end of a
> > week, if I don't get it done the first few days it has to wait till he
> > next reset, and usually I'm busy on other stuff the first few days,
> > hopefully I'll get round to it this time.
>
> > <snip>
>
> > >We had no wipes on the 1st two bosses (nor did anyone else I talked to)
> > >and got the last boss on attempt 8, hence a re-balance of the 1st two to
> > >make them harder (this is the last raid, after all - your killing the
> > >Thunder King here - come on).
>
> > >Considering the later attempts all were int he 15 minute range of time,
> > >plus having to explain to every new person who came in then watch them
> > >die as they experience it for the first time,  and you can understand
> > >why it took almost 2-1/2 hours to complete...
>
> > Yikes, sounds a bit offbalance then, two too easy and one probably a
> > bit too hard, oh well. At least you got him in the end! Hopefully by
> > the time I get around to it it'll be much faster but I'll make sure to
> > set aside a big chunk of time...
>
> I'm up for a Change of Command run :-).
>
> I got home late last night, and had to drop out after the first two
> bosses to go to bed. Sounds like I made the right decision. I agree -
> they were easier than I expected. I'll have to watch some videos of
> the final boss before I go back.
>
> At the moment, I'm mainly trying to max Valor each week, and max Shado-
> Pan Assault rep; these are somewhat at odds, because I could get VP
> faster in the 5.1 raids. The ilvl 502 items I'm getting from LFR are
> only occasionally  interesting - I can purchase a lot of 522 gear at
> honored, and will get more at revered. While I've got some of the
> latest tier tokens, I'm not going to use them until I can get a 4
> piece bonus at least - the previous tier gives a 4 second Holy Light
> cooldown, which is very valuable, and not lightly tossed aside.
>
> pt

Finally got the final boss down last night; I lucked into an LFR group
that was already there, with 4 stacks of failbuff. We got him down at
6 stacks; frankly, in LFR this isn't too hard an encounter if everyone
understands the mechanics. It was a lot harder to train people to the
Durumu (eyeball boss) encounter.

pt

On 4/19/2013 9:20 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
> On Apr 17, 11:16 am, Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 10:45 am, Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Been pretty quiet in here... :)
>>
>>> Yeah, I've been meaning to say something but first I had to *do*
>>> something worth posting about lol. All I've done this week is farm
>>> rares on IoT for valor: 5.5k at the reset, so I'll finally finish
>>> Wrathion's test this week and be onto looking for a group for Change
>>> of Command... wonder how long that one will take lol :-P
>>
>>> Only other thing of note to mention for me is a new low in character
>>> naming that I saw last night... "Dieniggerdie", is surely not
>>> acceptable in anyone's mind, so I'm hoping that players gets a ban in
>>> addition to the rename they're pretty safe to receive very soon (I
>>> reported him and I'd be surprised if I was alone...)
>>
>>>> So the 4th and last raid of the Thunder King opened up for LFR yesterday
>>>> and I got the chance to run it last night on "opening night"   I really
>>>> was not in the mood to do so as opening day generally is a wipefest and
>>>> wanted to blow through the 1st two sections for valor and perhaps gear
>>>> drop, but my healing buddy talking / dragged me into it and at least I
>>>> didn't have a queue.
>>
>>>> I had a guildie who got out of his run right before we entered who got
>>>> the completion achieve, and he had been in there for hours, and was
>>>> relieved that his lfr group (which I'm sure had changed over many times)
>>>> finally downed the thunder king....after 20 attempts and a 50% loser buff.
>>
>>> Omg, 20 attempts, eek. Makes me glad I'm still slacking and not even
>>> done the 2nd one yet :-P Intending to get to it this week, we'll see,
>>> problem for me is, because groups are usually rubbish at the end of a
>>> week, if I don't get it done the first few days it has to wait till he
>>> next reset, and usually I'm busy on other stuff the first few days,
>>> hopefully I'll get round to it this time.
>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>>>> We had no wipes on the 1st two bosses (nor did anyone else I talked to)
>>>> and got the last boss on attempt 8, hence a re-balance of the 1st two to
>>>> make them harder (this is the last raid, after all - your killing the
>>>> Thunder King here - come on).
>>
>>>> Considering the later attempts all were int he 15 minute range of time,
>>>> plus having to explain to every new person who came in then watch them
>>>> die as they experience it for the first time,  and you can understand
>>>> why it took almost 2-1/2 hours to complete...
>>
>>> Yikes, sounds a bit offbalance then, two too easy and one probably a
>>> bit too hard, oh well. At least you got him in the end! Hopefully by
>>> the time I get around to it it'll be much faster but I'll make sure to
>>> set aside a big chunk of time...
>>
>> I'm up for a Change of Command run :-).
>>
>> I got home late last night, and had to drop out after the first two
>> bosses to go to bed. Sounds like I made the right decision. I agree -
>> they were easier than I expected. I'll have to watch some videos of
>> the final boss before I go back.
>>
>> At the moment, I'm mainly trying to max Valor each week, and max Shado-
>> Pan Assault rep; these are somewhat at odds, because I could get VP
>> faster in the 5.1 raids. The ilvl 502 items I'm getting from LFR are
>> only occasionally  interesting - I can purchase a lot of 522 gear at
>> honored, and will get more at revered. While I've got some of the
>> latest tier tokens, I'm not going to use them until I can get a 4
>> piece bonus at least - the previous tier gives a 4 second Holy Light
>> cooldown, which is very valuable, and not lightly tossed aside.
>>
>> pt
>
> Finally got the final boss down last night; I lucked into an LFR group
> that was already there, with 4 stacks of failbuff. We got him down at
> 6 stacks; frankly, in LFR this isn't too hard an encounter if everyone
> understands the mechanics. It was a lot harder to train people to the
> Durumu (eyeball boss) encounter.
>
> pt

True, that once it's understood, it's like "oh!".   Like I said, this 
(and yes, the eyeball boss!) the first night or two were nightmares. 
The fight was explained at least 6 times as every wipe some people left, 
and were replaced, and it never ceased to amaze me watch a shadow priest 
who was there from the 3rd wipe, attack the boss and then proceed to 
stand in the center of the lightning...*every* time.  She was dead 5 
more times within 30 seconds of the start of the fight every 
time....healer finally lost it after the last time and started screaming 
at them in chat...."Seriously - are you F-ing kidding me <insert toon 
name>?!?!?!?  Luckily for the priest, we downed him that attempt.

My guildie with 20 stacks was on Tuesday (1st day) within 2 hours of it 
becoming available....Mine was 8 stacks at midnight of opening day, you 
got in on night 3, with 6 stacks so it sounds like it's improving.  :)

I might be running it again on my healer alt tonight so I'll see if it's 
any better, as I maxed valors and ran all 4 parts of ToTK on my mage 
this week.

Side note:  I'm at 15 secrets of the empire for the legendary quest 
line...5 more to go before I get to go start up the forge on the Island 
of Thunder.  I had stuck my head in that building when I was exploring 
the island and was wondering what it was for.  It's the building/doorway 
on the right, near the lightning boss that's part of your dailies I 
believe.  I'm hoping I can get 5 secrets from the 4 raids next week....

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:56:59 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>Side note:  I'm at 15 secrets of the empire for the legendary quest 
>line...5 more to go before I get to go start up the forge on the Island 
>of Thunder.  I had stuck my head in that building when I was exploring 
>the island and was wondering what it was for.  It's the building/doorway 
>on the right, near the lightning boss that's part of your dailies I 
>believe.  I'm hoping I can get 5 secrets from the 4 raids next week....

What's the droprate like on those? Being at 15 already sounds like
it's certainly better than those sigils were, at least, I sure hope it
is! I'm trying to hold off on farming ToT much until I've got that
quest, as if I have to farm till I'm sick of it like with the sigils,
then I'd like to not be bored of the place before I even get the quest
lol, but if it's less bad then I won't be so bothered :-)

On 4/19/2013 10:16 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:56:59 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> Side note:  I'm at 15 secrets of the empire for the legendary quest
>> line...5 more to go before I get to go start up the forge on the Island
>> of Thunder.  I had stuck my head in that building when I was exploring
>> the island and was wondering what it was for.  It's the building/doorway
>> on the right, near the lightning boss that's part of your dailies I
>> believe.  I'm hoping I can get 5 secrets from the 4 raids next week....
>
> What's the droprate like on those? Being at 15 already sounds like
> it's certainly better than those sigils were, at least, I sure hope it
> is! I'm trying to hold off on farming ToT much until I've got that
> quest, as if I have to farm till I'm sick of it like with the sigils,
> then I'd like to not be bored of the place before I even get the quest
> lol, but if it's less bad then I won't be so bothered :-)
>

It's hard to say - I'm seems like it's probably the same as the sigils. 
  I have 15, the healer buddy I run with has 12,  but another guildie 
who frequently comes with us has only 9.  It seems just based on luck. 
  Mine was horrible with the sigils, so maybe bliz is making it up to me 
now?   Either that, or they are going to mess with me and get me to 18 
or 19, then go 3 weeks before I get another one.  :)

It also seems that as this legendary quest line progresses, either 
people are dropping out or are falling/coming up behind later. Everyone 
gets the 1st quest when they hit 90, and I remember a lot of people 
talking about getting sigils during 5.0 raids.  It seems this quest line 
makes the quest-er participate in most every aspect of the game.  Then 
when 5.1 dropped, it seemed like those last two quests were show 
stoppers for many, esp solo/loner type players.  The "forced" PvP 
section ended it for some, but the real hold up seemed to be the 
quasi-raid you need to put together or be part of, that you just can't 
get in a queue for.  You almost need to belong to a guild or pay to get 
8-10 other players who may not have anything to gain doing it.  However, 
it is a legendary questline and it's not supposed to be easy.  I'm 
actually a little ticked they dropped the 6K valor down to 3K in the 
next patch.  I've gotten 2 toons through the 6K, however I guess they 
are doing that so new 90's don't have to spend 6 weeks at that level, 
and make it just 3 weeks.  The 6 weeks was probably set at that pace and 
put people in a holding pattern while waiting for 5.3 to drop, and have 
them feel they are progressing and not feel like they are doing nothing 
on the quest line for weeks.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:06:12 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 4/19/2013 10:16 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:56:59 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Side note:  I'm at 15 secrets of the empire for the legendary quest
>>> line...5 more to go before I get to go start up the forge on the Island
>>> of Thunder.  I had stuck my head in that building when I was exploring
>>> the island and was wondering what it was for.  It's the building/doorway
>>> on the right, near the lightning boss that's part of your dailies I
>>> believe.  I'm hoping I can get 5 secrets from the 4 raids next week....
>>
>> What's the droprate like on those? Being at 15 already sounds like
>> it's certainly better than those sigils were, at least, I sure hope it
>> is! I'm trying to hold off on farming ToT much until I've got that
>> quest, as if I have to farm till I'm sick of it like with the sigils,
>> then I'd like to not be bored of the place before I even get the quest
>> lol, but if it's less bad then I won't be so bothered :-)
>
>It's hard to say - I'm seems like it's probably the same as the sigils. 
>  I have 15, the healer buddy I run with has 12,  but another guildie 
>who frequently comes with us has only 9.  It seems just based on luck. 
>  Mine was horrible with the sigils, so maybe bliz is making it up to me 
>now?   Either that, or they are going to mess with me and get me to 18 
>or 19, then go 3 weeks before I get another one.  :)

Heh well I *really* hope it's not like the wisdom sigils, power was
fine but it took me 65 bosskills to get 10 wisdom :-/ I know there's
more bosses this tier but still, it's a bit much!

>It also seems that as this legendary quest line progresses, either 
>people are dropping out or are falling/coming up behind later. Everyone 
>gets the 1st quest when they hit 90, and I remember a lot of people 
>talking about getting sigils during 5.0 raids.  It seems this quest line 
>makes the quest-er participate in most every aspect of the game.  Then 
>when 5.1 dropped, it seemed like those last two quests were show 
>stoppers for many, esp solo/loner type players.  The "forced" PvP 
>section ended it for some, but the real hold up seemed to be the 
>quasi-raid you need to put together or be part of, that you just can't 
>get in a queue for.  You almost need to belong to a guild or pay to get 
>8-10 other players who may not have anything to gain doing it.  However, 
>it is a legendary questline and it's not supposed to be easy.  I'm 
>actually a little ticked they dropped the 6K valor down to 3K in the 
>next patch.  I've gotten 2 toons through the 6K, however I guess they 
>are doing that so new 90's don't have to spend 6 weeks at that level, 
>and make it just 3 weeks.  The 6 weeks was probably set at that pace and 
>put people in a holding pattern while waiting for 5.3 to drop, and have 
>them feel they are progressing and not feel like they are doing nothing 
>on the quest line for weeks.

Yeah, I see why they lowered it a bit, give some chance for new 90s to
ever get there, but 3k seems a little low, I'd have pitched it at 4k
or 5k myself. 6k is painful frankly; if you're not a person who enjoys
capping valor every week anyway (which I am not: I burn out), it takes
forever and really feels like a massive chore. IoT rares have helped a
lot the past few weeks to be fair but still, I can't wait for this to
be over! Just a little annoyed that it's changing *right now*, when
I'm almost there, sigh.

The finding a group thing is the one time where I am delighted to be
on a very highly populated server biased heavily towards my faction:
without specifically looking, I see people LFM for that quest every
few days, so hopefully I'll find a group within a week or two! The pvp
one on the other hand will be painful, I'll just have to hope for the
best there; I do like how it covers so many aspects of the game, but
the group quest will be hard for people on lower populated realms,
that's for sure.

On Apr 19, 2:06 pm, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
> On 4/19/2013 10:16 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:56:59 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Side note:  I'm at 15 secrets of the empire for the legendary quest
> >> line...5 more to go before I get to go start up the forge on the Island
> >> of Thunder.  I had stuck my head in that building when I was exploring
> >> the island and was wondering what it was for.  It's the building/doorway
> >> on the right, near the lightning boss that's part of your dailies I
> >> believe.  I'm hoping I can get 5 secrets from the 4 raids next week....
>
> > What's the droprate like on those? Being at 15 already sounds like
> > it's certainly better than those sigils were, at least, I sure hope it
> > is! I'm trying to hold off on farming ToT much until I've got that
> > quest, as if I have to farm till I'm sick of it like with the sigils,
> > then I'd like to not be bored of the place before I even get the quest
> > lol, but if it's less bad then I won't be so bothered :-)
>
> It's hard to say - I'm seems like it's probably the same as the sigils.
>   I have 15, the healer buddy I run with has 12,  but another guildie
> who frequently comes with us has only 9.  It seems just based on luck.
>   Mine was horrible with the sigils, so maybe bliz is making it up to me
> now?   Either that, or they are going to mess with me and get me to 18
> or 19, then go 3 weeks before I get another one.  :)
>
> It also seems that as this legendary quest line progresses, either
> people are dropping out or are falling/coming up behind later. Everyone
> gets the 1st quest when they hit 90, and I remember a lot of people
> talking about getting sigils during 5.0 raids.  It seems this quest line
> makes the quest-er participate in most every aspect of the game.  Then
> when 5.1 dropped, it seemed like those last two quests were show
> stoppers for many, esp solo/loner type players.  The "forced" PvP
> section ended it for some, but the real hold up seemed to be the
> quasi-raid you need to put together or be part of, that you just can't
> get in a queue for.  You almost need to belong to a guild or pay to get
> 8-10 other players who may not have anything to gain doing it.  However,
> it is a legendary questline and it's not supposed to be easy.  I'm
> actually a little ticked they dropped the 6K valor down to 3K in the
> next patch.  I've gotten 2 toons through the 6K, however I guess they
> are doing that so new 90's don't have to spend 6 weeks at that level,
> and make it just 3 weeks.  The 6 weeks was probably set at that pace and
> put people in a holding pattern while waiting for 5.3 to drop, and have
> them feel they are progressing and not feel like they are doing nothing
> on the quest line for weeks.

I'm stuck at the 'quest/raid' bit; I may look at that 3rd party site
to find a group doing it.

The 6k -> 3k change doesn't bother me much; I've been trying to max VP
each week anyway.

pt

On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm stuck at the 'quest/raid' bit; I may look at that 3rd party site
>to find a group doing it.

Don't hate me too much then lol - I got it done tonight, first time I
looked lol. I passed up a group earlier as I was in the middle of
cooking dinner, waited around on trade chat after dinner and joined a
group that formed after maybe an hour, then when I arrived before the
rest, another group was doing it, I stuck a few dots up to help out
and got credit! Helped my own group out anyway as it'd be pretty mean
to bail on them, but yeah, net result was I could've done it 3 times
over today lol. Sometimes being on a stupidly high pop server has
advantages... usually it's a pain but for this quest, it's good!

Next: the battlegrounds. I'm scared... :-P

On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:20:20 +0100, Catriona R
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Next: the battlegrounds. I'm scared... :-P

Took me a while to get round to this step but I certainly didn't need
to be scared of Temple of Kotmogu; I actually think it's instantly
become my favourite battleground! Really fun one, and just for once,
healers get mostly ignored lol, everyone goes for the orb carriers
instead, which suits me nicely as a healer :-P Lost the first game
heavily but still enjoyed it, next time out we won by miles, not even
sure what alliance were doing by the end, perhaps they just gave up
after we held 3 orbs for a while; we had 4 by the end so an
achievement for me as well as the quest credit :-)

I'll give Silvershard Mines a go tomorrow most likely, that one
sounded rather more complicated lol. I have a feeling if anyone
actually tries to attack me than my rather lacking gear will show up;
atm I have 5 pvp epics from Sha, 4 more pvp blues that my tailor
crafted and all other slots are pve epics, which at least boost my
mana regen and stamina but ofc no resil or pvp power. Worked in Temple
where I wasn't really being hit much (had no issues surviving when
people did go for me but the orb carriers would nuke them down in no
time anyway) but I don't expect to be let off so easily in other BGs
:-P

On 5/4/2013 6:35 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:20:20 +0100, Catriona R
> <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Next: the battlegrounds. I'm scared... :-P
>
> Took me a while to get round to this step but I certainly didn't need
> to be scared of Temple of Kotmogu; I actually think it's instantly
> become my favourite battleground!

Told ya so!  :)   (as a healer of course)

Really fun one, and just for once,
> healers get mostly ignored lol, everyone goes for the orb carriers
> instead, which suits me nicely as a healer :-P Lost the first game
> heavily but still enjoyed it, next time out we won by miles, not even
> sure what alliance were doing by the end, perhaps they just gave up
> after we held 3 orbs for a while; we had 4 by the end so an
> achievement for me as well as the quest credit :-)
>
> I'll give Silvershard Mines a go tomorrow most likely, that one
> sounded rather more complicated lol. I have a feeling if anyone
> actually tries to attack me than my rather lacking gear will show up;
> atm I have 5 pvp epics from Sha, 4 more pvp blues that my tailor
> crafted and all other slots are pve epics, which at least boost my
> mana regen and stamina but ofc no resil or pvp power. Worked in Temple
> where I wasn't really being hit much (had no issues surviving when
> people did go for me but the orb carriers would nuke them down in no
> time anyway) but I don't expect to be let off so easily in other BGs
> :-P
>

The mines sound more complicated, but they aren't, esp for a healer.  I 
only did it once so I'm no expert by a long shot, but as a healer all I 
did was watch my mini-map and follow the biggest group around as they 
were directing the mine carts and healed my arse off.  The Horde came 
after me much more on this, but when that happened I just tank healed 
myself and threw every dot on me and kept myself alive.  Sometimes they 
eventulally got me down, but that didn't bother me as it was 2-3 less of 
them doing what they were supposed to do and allowed my team to direct 
their mine carts where they needed to go.  I actually had one guy give 
up on me when he couldn't get me down on his own and run to help his team.

Don't worry about PvP gear.   I did them all in my PvE gear and was no 
issues...Felt really strong.  I could be my ilevel 505 PvE healing gear 
against their generally lower PvP gear, but I don't know....

See?  Told you there was nothing to work yourself up over!   :)

On Mon, 06 May 2013 07:17:19 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:

>On 5/4/2013 6:35 PM, Catriona R wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:20:20 +0100, Catriona R
>> <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Next: the battlegrounds. I'm scared... :-P
>>
>> Took me a while to get round to this step but I certainly didn't need
>> to be scared of Temple of Kotmogu; I actually think it's instantly
>> become my favourite battleground!
>
>Told ya so!  :)   (as a healer of course)

Hehe it's awesome as a healer, says a lot that I'll actually go back
there for fun - I haven't pvped in ages but that one's worth putting
some effort in for :-)

>> I'll give Silvershard Mines a go tomorrow most likely, that one
>> sounded rather more complicated lol. I have a feeling if anyone
>> actually tries to attack me than my rather lacking gear will show up;
>> atm I have 5 pvp epics from Sha, 4 more pvp blues that my tailor
>> crafted and all other slots are pve epics, which at least boost my
>> mana regen and stamina but ofc no resil or pvp power. Worked in Temple
>> where I wasn't really being hit much (had no issues surviving when
>> people did go for me but the orb carriers would nuke them down in no
>> time anyway) but I don't expect to be let off so easily in other BGs
>> :-P
>
>The mines sound more complicated, but they aren't, esp for a healer.  I 
>only did it once so I'm no expert by a long shot, but as a healer all I 
>did was watch my mini-map and follow the biggest group around as they 
>were directing the mine carts and healed my arse off.  The Horde came 
>after me much more on this, but when that happened I just tank healed 
>myself and threw every dot on me and kept myself alive.  Sometimes they 
>eventulally got me down, but that didn't bother me as it was 2-3 less of 
>them doing what they were supposed to do and allowed my team to direct 
>their mine carts where they needed to go.  I actually had one guy give 
>up on me when he couldn't get me down on his own and run to help his team.

Cool, I'll take the follow the crowd approach then lol. 

>Don't worry about PvP gear.   I did them all in my PvE gear and was no 
>issues...Felt really strong.  I could be my ilevel 505 PvE healing gear 
>against their generally lower PvP gear, but I don't know....
>
>See?  Told you there was nothing to work yourself up over!   :)

Hehe :-P Glad to hear gear isn't an issue, my mix was alright in
Temple anyway, felt pretty strong although I'd expect to be better if
I had more pvp power on it. This may give me the push I needed to get
back into pvp though; I used to really enjoy pvp healing, until it got
to the stage that being behind on gear at all meant you got killed as
soon as anyone looked at you. Quite liking this base 40% resil this
expansion, seems to help a good bit, and when it changes to 60% or so
in 5.3 that'll be even better I think. Don't mind not having the best
gear for pvp when I'm undergeared, I just mind having zero chance at
all lol :-P

On Mon, 06 May 2013 07:17:19 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
wrote:
>The mines sound more complicated, but they aren't, esp for a healer.  I 
>only did it once so I'm no expert by a long shot, but as a healer all I 
>did was watch my mini-map and follow the biggest group around as they 
>were directing the mine carts and healed my arse off.  The Horde came 
>after me much more on this, but when that happened I just tank healed 
>myself and threw every dot on me and kept myself alive.  Sometimes they 
>eventulally got me down, but that didn't bother me as it was 2-3 less of 
>them doing what they were supposed to do and allowed my team to direct 
>their mine carts where they needed to go.  I actually had one guy give 
>up on me when he couldn't get me down on his own and run to help his team.
>
>Don't worry about PvP gear.   I did them all in my PvE gear and was no 
>issues...Felt really strong.  I could be my ilevel 505 PvE healing gear 
>against their generally lower PvP gear, but I don't know....
>
>See?  Told you there was nothing to work yourself up over!   :)

The "follow the crowd" tactic worked for me lol :-) Followed a bunch
to the nearest mine track, and then just stuck with that cart
afterwards, never had more than 2 alliance at a time attack it so most
of the horde went off elsewhere, but me and a hunter kept capping and
recapping the cart. No idea what was really going on but we won so
that'll do! ;-) Seemed interesting enough that I'll likely go back
anyway, I'm liking these new BGs, they've managed to get something
different to existing ones yet also fun, don't think I've really liked
a new BG (except Wintergrasp but that's a rather different concept)
since Eye of the Storm came out!

Onto Secrets and trillium for me now (and oh joy, I thought it was 20
trillium, not 40... prices are now over double what they were when I
got the 20, so I guess I'll mine my own up lol), I guess it's time for
me to explore ToT properly; being so close to this stage of the chain
meant I never got round to it till now as I didn't want to get sick of
the place and then have to farm it for ages for quest items (as
happened with the sigils), so should be some fun coming up for me :-)
And hopefully some loot too :-P

On 5/10/2013 5:31 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 May 2013 07:17:19 -0400, IYM <nor...@whitehouse.gov>
> wrote:
>> The mines sound more complicated, but they aren't, esp for a healer.  I
>> only did it once so I'm no expert by a long shot, but as a healer all I
>> did was watch my mini-map and follow the biggest group around as they
>> were directing the mine carts and healed my arse off.  The Horde came
>> after me much more on this, but when that happened I just tank healed
>> myself and threw every dot on me and kept myself alive.  Sometimes they
>> eventulally got me down, but that didn't bother me as it was 2-3 less of
>> them doing what they were supposed to do and allowed my team to direct
>> their mine carts where they needed to go.  I actually had one guy give
>> up on me when he couldn't get me down on his own and run to help his team.
>>
>> Don't worry about PvP gear.   I did them all in my PvE gear and was no
>> issues...Felt really strong.  I could be my ilevel 505 PvE healing gear
>> against their generally lower PvP gear, but I don't know....
>>
>> See?  Told you there was nothing to work yourself up over!   :)
>
> The "follow the crowd" tactic worked for me lol :-) Followed a bunch
> to the nearest mine track, and then just stuck with that cart
> afterwards, never had more than 2 alliance at a time attack it so most
> of the horde went off elsewhere, but me and a hunter kept capping and
> recapping the cart. No idea what was really going on but we won so
> that'll do! ;-) Seemed interesting enough that I'll likely go back
> anyway, I'm liking these new BGs, they've managed to get something
> different to existing ones yet also fun, don't think I've really liked
> a new BG (except Wintergrasp but that's a rather different concept)
> since Eye of the Storm came out!
>
> Onto Secrets and trillium for me now (and oh joy, I thought it was 20
> trillium, not 40... prices are now over double what they were when I
> got the 20, so I guess I'll mine my own up lol), I guess it's time for
> me to explore ToT properly; being so close to this stage of the chain
> meant I never got round to it till now as I didn't want to get sick of
> the place and then have to farm it for ages for quest items (as
> happened with the sigils), so should be some fun coming up for me :-)
> And hopefully some loot too :-P
>

Cool --

Well, my friend still can't get through the solo scenario on his Pally 
tank, so he told me to go ahead and turn in my quest from completing it 
(and downing Nalak with charging up the lance Wraithion had my do) and 
not wait for him.  So I turned it in last night waiting for the achieve 
for "part III", and it didn't come.  Ah - have to go back out to that 
nearby hill he likes to admire the view from...  OK - turned it in again 
and listened to his whole speech, after which he gives you a special 
meta gem for your helm (your choice of 4 for whichever spec).  Mine is a 
nice piece (Courageous Primal Diamond - +324 Intellect and chance on 
beneficial spell to make your spells cost no mana for 4 sec.)

Ok.....here comes my achieve and I can relax with this quest until 5.3....

Nope - the S.O.B wants me to go on ANOTHER gather quest. !@##$$#!

Now I have to get 12 Titan runestones (not sigils, not secrets....sigh) 
from bosses in the throne of thunder raid....

...but the catch is that they only drop from the last 6 bosses (i.e the 
last two parts of the raids) and are not available from the 1st 
two.....ARRRRGGG!!!

I really am starting to hate this Wrathion guy....I don't mind the 
challenge stuff, but having a double gather on this section of 5.2??  32 
pick-ups in total, with the last 12 of them only from the last 6 
bosses....<bangs head against desk>

...and I just looked up the rest of the quest line.  After I gather 
these 12 runestones, I have to go back and kill the Thunder King and 
collect his heart and bring back to Wraithon....

...which is ironic considering he's one of the bosses who drops the 
secrets and runestones and I've killed him already a few times - now, 
don't you think that Wrathion would see have asked "BTW, if you happen 
to kill the Thunder King while collecting the secrets or runestones, 
grab his heart for me - will ya?"  But no - he's going to ask me to 
bring me all the runestones to him, THEN have me go back and kill him 
again.......What a dick.  :)