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Den 10-04-2013 14:24, Peter T. skrev:

> Well I can skip the CD by farming heroics in
> Cata.  I need 4 Chaos Orb for a single dreamcloth.  So I at least have
> to farm 4 cata HCs as the drop of those orbs aint guaranteed.

And 16 orbs for 4 dreamclothes ofc. ^^

-- 
Peter T.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:24:08 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
wrote:

>What a walk in the desert.  My tailor just finished second main quest at 
>Molten Front where you have to hand in another 150 marks to the 
>questgiver.  I have spent around 14 days of farming all 300 marks.  Now 
>I need another 125 marks just for the recipe.  Well.  Another 5 days of 
>farming and I can get the recipe for the 36 slot gem bag.
>
>So I started checking up the mats for it.  Dreamcloth seems to still has 
>a 7 day CD (I hope Blizz has changed this).  I need 4 for just 1 bag. 
>28 days for just one bag!?!  Well I can skip the CD by farming heroics 
>in Cata.  I need 4 Chaos Orb for a single dreamcloth.  So I at least 
>have to farm 4 cata HCs as the drop of those orbs aint guaranteed.  I 
>thought I saw a gold cow in making those bags as I havent seen any 36 
>slot gem bags on AH for ages.  Now I only see a time sink.  Why did I 
>start on this? -.-
>
>Aaaaaaaaargh!

As I recall, there's 5 ways of making Dreamcloth (using each type of
volatile: water, earth, fire air, life), which don't share cd, so you
can make 5 each week, without orb farming. So just takes a ton of
materials to make 1 bag, not 28 days :-)

Den 10-04-2013 15:02, Catriona R skrev:

> As I recall, there's 5 ways of making Dreamcloth (using each type of
> volatile: water, earth, fire air, life), which don't share cd, so you
> can make 5 each week, without orb farming. So just takes a ton of
> materials to make 1 bag, not 28 days :-)

Ooohhhh!  That helps a lot!  Thanks, Catriona. :)  I have several stacks 
of volatiles in my bank so I shouldnt run out of mats in seconds.

-- 
Peter T.

On 4/10/2013 9:02 AM, Catriona R wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:24:08 +0200, "Peter T." <pinoc10@hotmail.cum>
> wrote:
>
>> What a walk in the desert.  My tailor just finished second main quest at
>> Molten Front where you have to hand in another 150 marks to the
>> questgiver.  I have spent around 14 days of farming all 300 marks.  Now
>> I need another 125 marks just for the recipe.  Well.  Another 5 days of
>> farming and I can get the recipe for the 36 slot gem bag.
>>
>> So I started checking up the mats for it.  Dreamcloth seems to still has
>> a 7 day CD (I hope Blizz has changed this).  I need 4 for just 1 bag.
>> 28 days for just one bag!?!  Well I can skip the CD by farming heroics
>> in Cata.  I need 4 Chaos Orb for a single dreamcloth.  So I at least
>> have to farm 4 cata HCs as the drop of those orbs aint guaranteed.  I
>> thought I saw a gold cow in making those bags as I havent seen any 36
>> slot gem bags on AH for ages.  Now I only see a time sink.  Why did I
>> start on this? -.-
>>
>> Aaaaaaaaargh!
>
> As I recall, there's 5 ways of making Dreamcloth (using each type of
> volatile: water, earth, fire air, life), which don't share cd, so you
> can make 5 each week, without orb farming. So just takes a ton of
> materials to make 1 bag, not 28 days :-)
>

True - But those mats go fast....If I recall correctly, think it's 40 
volatile (of your choice) and then a ton of embersilk cloth, which have 
to made into bolts (can't remember the exact number).  Depends on your 
realm, but with not as many people in the cata zones, the mats are 
harder to come by on the AH iff you need to buy.  On my realm, the 
volatiles are about the same cost as they were during cata, however the 
embersilk cloth is wicked high.   A lot of tailors make embersilk bags 
(which sell for nice profit) due to the lack of a MoP cloth bag (other 
than the high priced Royal Satchel).  Embersilk bags go for a more 
affordable ~250-500g on my realm due to the embersilk cloth price, while 
I can still get ~5-7K for a Satchel.

On the subject of bag, ironically, the netherweave (outland) bags are 
still the most popular.  The mats are very cheap on the AH and so are 
the bags.  Frostweave bags are very expensive, and frankly the most 
cumbersome bags to make needing imbued frostweave (an extra step) and 
lack of frostweave on the AH....And forget that other Wrath bag...forgot 
the name, but it still has a one week cooldown to make and it the most 
expensive bag with regards to mats, and is absolutely not worth it....

Den 10-04-2013 16:00, IYM skrev:

> True - But those mats go fast....If I recall correctly, think it's 40
> volatile (of your choice) and then a ton of embersilk cloth, which have
> to made into bolts (can't remember the exact number).  Depends on your
> realm, but with not as many people in the cata zones, the mats are
> harder to come by on the AH iff you need to buy.  On my realm, the
> volatiles are about the same cost as they were during cata, however the
> embersilk cloth is wicked high.   A lot of tailors make embersilk bags
> (which sell for nice profit) due to the lack of a MoP cloth bag (other
> than the high priced Royal Satchel).  Embersilk bags go for a more
> affordable ~250-500g on my realm due to the embersilk cloth price, while
> I can still get ~5-7K for a Satchel.

Yeah.  But a 1 hour cata luck pot, a trip to Deepholm and heavy gnoll 
farming with your tailor + guild perk == problem with mats almost 
solved.  I have done that a few times and the amount of volatiles and 
especially embersilk is hilarous + you earn 1.5-2k gold just by looting 
gold and vendoring greys, greenies and blues in one hour. :)
I just wish it was possible to farm the chaos orbs like we can farm 
motes of harmony in Panda World.

> On the subject of bag, ironically, the netherweave (outland) bags are
> still the most popular.  The mats are very cheap on the AH and so are
> the bags.  Frostweave bags are very expensive, and frankly the most
> cumbersome bags to make needing imbued frostweave (an extra step) and
> lack of frostweave on the AH....And forget that other Wrath bag...forgot
> the name, but it still has a one week cooldown to make and it the most
> expensive bag with regards to mats, and is absolutely not worth it....

I have made my gold by selling glyphs on AH since I returned to the game 
in september last year.  The competition is sparse on my realm and we 
are just 2-3 ppl undercutting each other atm.  But the huge amount of 
glyphs you have to keep up running all the time is exhausting and 
time-consuming like hell and Im getting tired of having +300 auctions 
running 24/7.
So Im looking for other markets so I leveled a JCer recently and atm I 
sell 1-3 cut primal diamonds and a few gems everyday without much 
undercutting.  The royal satchels sells well too.  But 12 imperials for 
a single bag...  I keep the satchels I make for my alts and give some of 
them to a few close friends in the guild when possible.  Frostweave is 
easy to farm as well in western part of Icecrown.  Aoe, loot, mount up, 
find next group, aoe... :)

-- 
Peter T.

On 4/10/2013 10:31 AM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 10-04-2013 16:00, IYM skrev:
>
>> True - But those mats go fast....If I recall correctly, think it's 40
>> volatile (of your choice) and then a ton of embersilk cloth, which have
>> to made into bolts (can't remember the exact number).  Depends on your
>> realm, but with not as many people in the cata zones, the mats are
>> harder to come by on the AH iff you need to buy.  On my realm, the
>> volatiles are about the same cost as they were during cata, however the
>> embersilk cloth is wicked high.   A lot of tailors make embersilk bags
>> (which sell for nice profit) due to the lack of a MoP cloth bag (other
>> than the high priced Royal Satchel).  Embersilk bags go for a more
>> affordable ~250-500g on my realm due to the embersilk cloth price, while
>> I can still get ~5-7K for a Satchel.
>
> Yeah.  But a 1 hour cata luck pot, a trip to Deepholm and heavy gnoll
> farming with your tailor + guild perk == problem with mats almost
> solved.  I have done that a few times and the amount of volatiles and
> especially embersilk is hilarous + you earn 1.5-2k gold just by looting
> gold and vendoring greys, greenies and blues in one hour. :)
> I just wish it was possible to farm the chaos orbs like we can farm
> motes of harmony in Panda World.

True - but my post was simply on the subject of the AH, not farming.  I 
personally don't and won't farm mats for stuff to sell on the AH.  I 
will when I have to if I'm leveling a profession or am in desperate need 
of something, but generally don't go farming.  I have limited time to 
get what I need done or want to do, but that's just me.   I play the AH 
when I'm there or if I'm selling something and have made a descent 
amount of gold....enough to sustain any gems/enchant purchases I need 
for gear upgrades, and have a modest ~120K on my main not really trying.

>
>> On the subject of bag, ironically, the netherweave (outland) bags are
>> still the most popular.  The mats are very cheap on the AH and so are
>> the bags.  Frostweave bags are very expensive, and frankly the most
>> cumbersome bags to make needing imbued frostweave (an extra step) and
>> lack of frostweave on the AH....And forget that other Wrath bag...forgot
>> the name, but it still has a one week cooldown to make and it the most
>> expensive bag with regards to mats, and is absolutely not worth it....
>

>... The royal satchels sells well too.  But 12 imperials for
> a single bag...  I keep the satchels I make for my alts and give some of
> them to a few close friends in the guild when possible.  Frostweave is
> easy to farm as well in western part of Icecrown.  Aoe, loot, mount up,
> find next group, aoe... :)

I make and sell a Royal Satchel every time I get 12 imperials, as I have 
no other use for
them unless I get a design to drop in a regular 10 man raid that I can 
use them for.
Ironically, I do not own one royal satchel...lol.  I find the Embersilks 
are just fine for
me, and would rather have the easy gold than the extra 8 slots...again - 
just me personally, which is the nice thing about this game....Something 
for everyone.  :)

Den 10-04-2013 17:11, IYM skrev:

> me, and would rather have the easy gold than the extra 8 slots...again -
> just me personally, which is the nice thing about this game....Something
> for everyone.  :)

Indeed. :)  My playstyle is maybe a little bit different.  I share my 
gold with another friend with BS as prof.  We bought all the clothie/BS 
496 patterns very cheap when possible as we had some raiding issues in 
our guild at that moment.  So when somebody sold cheap blood spirits in 
/trade we bought them, crafted some 496 items and made a fortune on AH. 
  We spent a little bit more than 100k on those bloods, maybe 50k on 
patterns and made a 300-350k profit.  It was a fun time while it lasted. ;)

Btw.  I need your opinion on this.  How much should/could I charge for a 
36 slot gem bag on AH?  The next biggest gem bag is a 24 slot bag from 
Shattrath (which dont sell at all!). ^^

-- 
Peter T.

On 4/10/2013 3:24 PM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 10-04-2013 17:11, IYM skrev:
>
>> me, and would rather have the easy gold than the extra 8 slots...again -
>> just me personally, which is the nice thing about this game....Something
>> for everyone.  :)
>
> Indeed. :)  My playstyle is maybe a little bit different.  I share my
> gold with another friend with BS as prof.  We bought all the clothie/BS
> 496 patterns very cheap when possible as we had some raiding issues in
> our guild at that moment.  So when somebody sold cheap blood spirits in
> /trade we bought them, crafted some 496 items and made a fortune on AH.
>   We spent a little bit more than 100k on those bloods, maybe 50k on
> patterns and made a 300-350k profit.  It was a fun time while it lasted. ;)
>
> Btw.  I need your opinion on this.  How much should/could I charge for a
> 36 slot gem bag on AH?  The next biggest gem bag is a 24 slot bag from
> Shattrath (which dont sell at all!). ^^
>

It varies by realm...

ok - going to give you a cool site I use for finding what to list things 
for if there is no history:

https://theunderminejournal.com/

Pick your realm and just type in your item.  The site scans the AH all 
day and lets you know what the prices are, and what they last sold for 
on your realm...or anyone elses....

What's even cooler, is type you toons name into the box and look at the 
data that turns up.  If you are really into the AH, you could swim in 
here.  lol

After checking, I see that 3 people undercut my Royal Satchel since 
yesterday...  :(

lmao

:)

Den 10-04-2013 22:05, IYM skrev:

> ok - going to give you a cool site I use for finding what to list things
> for if there is no history:
>
> https://theunderminejournal.com/
>
> Pick your realm and just type in your item.  The site scans the AH all
> day and lets you know what the prices are, and what they last sold for
> on your realm...or anyone elses....
>
> What's even cooler, is type you toons name into the box and look at the
> data that turns up.  If you are really into the AH, you could swim in
> here.  lol
>
> After checking, I see that 3 people undercut my Royal Satchel since
> yesterday...  :(
>
> lmao
>
> :)

WOW!!! :D *bookmarked*

I bow my head for that site!  thanks. :)

-- 
Peter T.

On 4/10/2013 8:18 PM, Peter T. wrote:
> Den 10-04-2013 22:05, IYM skrev:
>
>> ok - going to give you a cool site I use for finding what to list things
>> for if there is no history:
>>
>> https://theunderminejournal.com/
>>
>> Pick your realm and just type in your item.  The site scans the AH all
>> day and lets you know what the prices are, and what they last sold for
>> on your realm...or anyone elses....
>>
>> What's even cooler, is type you toons name into the box and look at the
>> data that turns up.  If you are really into the AH, you could swim in
>> here.  lol
>>
>> After checking, I see that 3 people undercut my Royal Satchel since
>> yesterday...  :(
>>
>> lmao
>>
>> :)
>
> WOW!!! :D *bookmarked*
>
> I bow my head for that site!  thanks. :)
>

Yes, thanks for the site.  Bookmarked it, too.  Just took a quick
glance but it looks neat.  Love that it'll show what the black market
has for offer without having to fly over there :)

On 4/11/2013 12:19 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 8:18 PM, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 10-04-2013 22:05, IYM skrev:
>>
>>> ok - going to give you a cool site I use for finding what to list things
>>> for if there is no history:
>>>
>>> https://theunderminejournal.com/
>>>
>>> Pick your realm and just type in your item.  The site scans the AH all
>>> day and lets you know what the prices are, and what they last sold for
>>> on your realm...or anyone elses....
>>>
>>> What's even cooler, is type you toons name into the box and look at the
>>> data that turns up.  If you are really into the AH, you could swim in
>>> here.  lol
>>>
>>> After checking, I see that 3 people undercut my Royal Satchel since
>>> yesterday...  :(
>>>
>>> lmao
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> WOW!!! :D *bookmarked*
>>
>> I bow my head for that site!  thanks. :)
>>
>
> Yes, thanks for the site.  Bookmarked it, too.  Just took a quick
> glance but it looks neat.  Love that it'll show what the black market
> has for offer without having to fly over there :)
>
>

Glad I could help...it is a pretty cool site.  I only stumbled on it and 
started using it last last year.   I should probably use it more than I 
do, and would have if I had found it before MoP dropped as I've had 
barely enough time to play my toons in game, but it's my definite "go 
to" site when I need to know what to list something for that has no AH 
history.  Even the articles/blog contributers are a good read.  :)

There's a link there for the site for European realms as well....

On 4/11/2013 12:19 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 8:18 PM, Peter T. wrote:
>> Den 10-04-2013 22:05, IYM skrev:
>>
>>> ok - going to give you a cool site I use for finding what to list things
>>> for if there is no history:
>>>
>>> https://theunderminejournal.com/
>>>
>>> Pick your realm and just type in your item.  The site scans the AH all
>>> day and lets you know what the prices are, and what they last sold for
>>> on your realm...or anyone elses....
>>>
>>> What's even cooler, is type you toons name into the box and look at the
>>> data that turns up.  If you are really into the AH, you could swim in
>>> here.  lol
>>>
>>> After checking, I see that 3 people undercut my Royal Satchel since
>>> yesterday...  :(
>>>
>>> lmao
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> WOW!!! :D *bookmarked*
>>
>> I bow my head for that site!  thanks. :)
>>
>
> Yes, thanks for the site.  Bookmarked it, too.  Just took a quick
> glance but it looks neat.  Love that it'll show what the black market
> has for offer without having to fly over there :)
>
>

Glad I could help...it is a pretty cool site.  I only stumbled on it and 
started using it last last year.   I should probably use it more than I 
do, and would have if I had found it before MoP dropped as I've had 
barely enough time to play my toons in game, but it's my definite "go 
to" site when I need to know what to list something for that has no AH 
history.  Even the articles/blog contributors are a good read.  :)

There's a link there for the site for European realms as well....

Den 11-04-2013 20:04, IYM skrev:

> Glad I could help...it is a pretty cool site.  I only stumbled on it and
> started using it last last year.   I should probably use it more than I
> do, and would have if I had found it before MoP dropped as I've had
> barely enough time to play my toons in game, but it's my definite "go
> to" site when I need to know what to list something for that has no AH
> history.  Even the articles/blog contributors are a good read.  :)
>
> There's a link there for the site for European realms as well....

I found my realm (Darkmoon Faire/EU).  Interesting reading imho. :)

-- 
Peter T.

Den 10-04-2013 15:02, Catriona R skrev:

> As I recall, there's 5 ways of making Dreamcloth (using each type of
> volatile: water, earth, fire air, life), which don't share cd, so you
> can make 5 each week, without orb farming. So just takes a ton of
> materials to make 1 bag, not 28 days :-)

Okeeeh...  I have given up farming the orbs.  I made my first 36 slot 
gem bag yesterday (woohoo) and I still have plenty of volatiles left in 
stock.  But I skipped Cata completely so I decided to test DM on heroic. 
  Absolutely doable with a well-geared lock (ilvl 501) and a void tank. 
  It was fun and I got some achs.  But the time spent on a single orb is 
definitely not worth it as I need to farm 12 orbs for a single bag.  The 
orbs goes for 150-200g on my realm so buying up orbs is not an option 
unless they drop to like 40-50g like on other realms.
So I stick to the volatiles once a week and farm the missing ones when I 
have the time.  And I repeat; A cata luck pot and one hour of farming 
gnolls in Deepholm yields maybe 50-60 different volatiles and sh*tloads 
of embersilk cloth for AH.  Thats fine for me. :)

-- 
Peter T.

Den 15-04-2013 12:04, Peter T. skrev:
> A cata luck pot and one hour of farming
> gnolls in Deepholm yields maybe 50-60 different volatiles and sh*tloads
> of embersilk cloth for AH.  Thats fine for me. :)
>

Btw.  I farmed Deepholm yesterday.  Cata luck pot + guild perk + tailor 
prof on my lock yielded around 200 embersilk bolts (or 1000 clothes!) in 
one hour.  I needed 40 bolts for the dreamcloth so I have decided to AH 
the rest.  Thats 8 stacks and a single stack goes for 250-300g.  I make 
4 auctions with 5 bolts in each auction all the time so I dont flood the 
market with the risk of dumping the prices in mind.  Hopefully they will 
sell well. :)

-- 
Peter T.