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On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:08:21 -0700 (PDT), Shinnokxz
<shin...@gmail.com> wrote:

>And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.

Yep. I knew it was a risk with playing on a private server, still a
bit disappointing, but oh well, itwas fun while it lasted - at least
while it existed I found a nice bunch of people who want to stick
together, just a shame we have no obvious destination right now! I got
to 60 on the reoll f my original main, and actually got several great
items that I'd never got on him in actual vanilla, plus an alt was 45
and climbing, it was a lot of fun :-)

>Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to have to breach the subject and offer something up. I saw a good sum of people cancel their retail subscription out of principle after the shutdown.

Seen a lot of people throwing tantrums over the subject and giving the
rest of us a bad name, sadly - many of the reactions don't really give
a positive impression of our cause! It's a subject which very much
needs to be talked about; Nostalrius IMO disproved the whole "you
think you want it but you don't" attitude of Blizzard, 15k+ online at
peak times, cosnsistently growing population, plenty people clearly DO
want it and enjoy it even now! 

I very much feel sorry for Blizzard's GMs though; they've had to deal
with a lot of rage in tickets and cancellations over something that's
not their decision at all - I did vent my own feelings, but in one
calm forum post, where I just said that I believe it's proven there is
a case for it, and that I do feel it's not that fair to shut down
servers allowing people to play a version of the game which is not
available via any legitimate means; it'd be entirely fair if Blizzard
themselves had legacy servers, but they don't, so to me, that puts
vanilla WoW morally on a level with abandonware.

>The Nostalrius folk will release their work, supposedly, to an abled party. Most likely a party where Blizzard lawyers won't have the reach to get to.

I think a whole lot of other servers are going to spring up, but I'm
wary of them right now - there was a thriving hacking/goldselling
industry on Nost towards the end, and I bet at least one new server
will be set up to harvest account info from people who don't change
details between servers (a load of Nost accounts were previously
hacked via that method from some other server that had been hacked).
I'm personally only planning to look at servers which already existed
before all this happened rather than any brand new ones, till we see
if any pass the test of time. Tbh I'd be done with private servers for
now, but as many of my guild hate retail, and they were a great bunch
of people, the only way we'll stay together is another private server,
oh well - I'm happy to have actually found a community I want to stick
with, just wish it could be done legally!

>The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl. Only then will I even bother giving them money since it impossible for them to muck up a Vanilla server

I very much hope they do go for it; this level of outcry sill surely
have got a message across to them. In some ways I'm hoping the
shutdown was itself a positive sign - clearly they felt Nost was a
threat in order to do that, and after all, if they were planning
legacy servers themselves, eliminating the competition would probably
be the first logical move. Granted, severely annoying the potential
playerbase is not a very good move; I'd have felt it a more positive
PR to leave the shutdowns until after an announcement is made, but
still, it's at least possible that that is an underlying reason.

Certainly they can no longer hide behind the "players don't really
want it" mantra, when quite clearly many of us do. Oh sure, I've seen
the suggestions that it's only popular because it's free but I dunno -
I'd have paid for it, and I think most of my guildies would too. Give
me the option of a Blizzard-run vanilla server (no bugs, everything
scripted right - oh yes please) for say half the usual sub price, and
I'd be there - even at full price I'd consider dropping one of my
retail accounts to afford it. 

Now admittedly, without my guild, I'd have run out of steam after 2-3
months, it's much more a game that requires a social side than retail
(I've coped well enough in retail despite almost all my old friends
being gone since Cataclysm days, and it's near impossible to make new
friends when you're not that outgoing a person), but since I did make
a good bunch of friends there, I was still very much enjoying it after
6 months, and still had things I wanted to do ingame, recipes to
collect, rep to get, alts to level... 

Oh well, hopefully my guild will pick a place soon, there's a few
options being discussed, one interests me more than the others, but
it's got to be a majority thing. Really sucks that most private server
people hate PVE servers and so there are almost none available, I get
very bored of hearing that PVE is a PVP server with content "removed";
eh, no, world pvp is still entirely there if you just type four
characters: "/pvp" - on the contrary PVP servers are PVE servers with
content removed for me, since I can't just turn PVP off to actually
get some questing done in peace :-P