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On 12/04/2016 9:19 PM, Urbin wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:43:31 +0100, Catriona R wrote:
>>   On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:29:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <d0a705ed-3c6d-4667...@googlegroups.com>
>>>   Shinnokxz <shin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> And that's that with Nostalrius. Too bad.
>>>
>>>> Though it appears the vanilla server community and outcry has reached
>>>> levels it's never been before. Sooner or later Blizzard is going to
>>>> have to breach the subject and offer something up.
>>>
>>> No they will not.
>>>
>>>> The shutdown was typical Blizzard show, but really pissed on the
>>>> people looking for a reason to even bother with WoW anymore. I suspect
>>>> when Legion is released and subscribers have reached an all time low
>>>> post-xpac release, then Blizzard will consider giving it a whirl.
>>>
>>> No. That is never going to happen.
>>
>>   That's a pretty confident assertion, I don't think anyone can say
>>   "never" with Blizzard.
>
> While that is true...
>
>>   Times change, and right now they're throwing away money by not offering a
>>   service which would have interested a LOT of people
>
> ... but I am not convinced that operating vanilla servers would be
> economically viable for them. I don't know the inner workings of Blizzard
> but being a software developer I can tell you that at any company I have
> ever worked at, it would have taken quite a lot of effort to revive a
> software version of 10 years before. Apart from that effort, it would also
> mean running the servers (and while a lot of that is certainly automated,
> there is sure to be some human work required as well) and some kind of
> support infrastructure.
>
> And 15k (or even 150k) players sounds like a lot, that would justify a
> handful of servers and I doubt that the economies of scale would work for
> that low a number.
>
> So even considering people would be willing to pay a full subscription to
> play on vanilla servers, I am not sure it would pay.

It doesn't have to cost them, people have demonstrated they are willing 
to do it without their involvement. Really, they don't need any Blizzard 
support at all :-).
All they need to do is establish some sort of mechanism so to play on 
the 'Authorised but UNSUPPORTED BY BLIZZARD server'
caps part of name :-)
you need a Warcraft account that is active, or maybe has been active in 
the last 3 months. Money for stuff all effort, a tiny bit of handshake.
    Maybe there is some legal thing about pay and service that the 
lawyers don't like but the EULA don't provide much besides 'we do what 
we want' in any case.

   I am not interested in Vanilla anyway and don't think it would pan 
out. It would just attract the usual bedlam crowd instead of reminiscing 
idealists trying to get back into heaven.

   The main thing people seem to miss is the old community, not the 
actual game. I have found the same in other games nothing to do with 
wow, even run across some people from long dead games and just resumed 
the joint endeavour, same struggle, different pixels :-)

Pretty simple to try , just a nod and 'let them eat cake, or hopefully 
crow'.

If it works they make a bit from very little, if it doesn't they have no 
stake and can feel smug and self righteous.

Seems they heard rumours there really was cake , and decided to kill it.

  I hope Catriona didn't post with a vital account on forums, it shows 
that account has been playing private, Blizz can be vindictive and they 
don't need proof.

from a recent post
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742809786

which now doesn't exist I see, Blizzards forum, they do what they want

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742809786
    [ I wonder if forums are copyright? takedown incoming]

  Blizzcon 2013: Warlords of draenor, more Q&A from developers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGrcdOyyRQ&feature=youtu.be&t=30m8s

transcript : old versions? "no, and by the way you don't want to do that 
either, you think you do, but you don't" There is no cake.

"This was almost 3 years ago now and I still don't feel like their 
arrogant stance on this game has changed since then. This is basically 
how Blizzard 'listens' to their fans, isn't it? We don't really want 
what we think we want, we're just !@#$ing stupid.

Blizzard thinks they want active subscriptions, but they really don't. 
Apparently."