🚀 go-pugleaf

Am 14.04.2011 17:51, schrieb ti...@thsu.org:

> In a guild run, it's the tank's fault if dps pulls aggro. A guild tank
> must be able to out threat an evenly geared, overeager dps player who
> pops all of his cooldowns within the very first second of the fight.
>
> The only situations where threat should ever be a problem is when
> there is a threat based fight mechanic, like a random threat drop, or
> something that forces a tank to hold back. Other than that, it should
> be impossible for a dps player to pull aggro off of a guild tank's
> primary target, no matter how hard the dps player tries.
>
> There's no point in having great dps if they are threat limited. Thus,
> it's the tank's job to make sure their dps are never threat limited.

Well, you're right that a raid tank should never threat cap their DPS. 
If this is the case they have to change gear/rotation, whatever. 
However, if we are talking about 10 man raiding without misdirect/tricks 
available, DPS can pull aggro when they unload all CDs in the first few 
seconds. There is one reason for this: Vengeance. This mechanic is 
Blizzards idea of letting tank threat scale better with gear than in 
previous expansions, but the implementation is very flawed. Let me explain.

To stack vengeance, a tank has to be damaged. This is fine, but of 
course means that for the full TPS of a tank to reach its potential, 
they need time. After some 20-30 seconds in a standard raid encounter, 
my paladin gets around 13k AP from vengeance. This means my threat is 
through the roof, no DPS will ever get near me if there is no outside 
influence. On the other hand, this means any kind of threat stat 
(Expertise and Hit, most importantly) is completely useless for tanks 
atm., so smart tanks will always reforge away from those. This increases 
the pull problems, unfortunately, as you have a situation of low 
vengeance/AP AND low hit/exp. So not only do my attacks hit like wet 
noodles in the beginning, but they also miss quite often.

This is why smart DPS watch omen in the beginning and only start 
unloading the first round of cooldowns with an established threat lead. 
One could argue that the tanks should stack some exp/hit to counter 
this, but as said above in a typical 6 minute encounter, after 10-15 
seconds threat stats are completely wasted and could better be invested 
in mitigation and thus healer mana.

Vengeance is a solution to a big problem of earlier expansions, but 
stupidly implemented at the moment. Tank threat in raids is completely 
reliant on stacking it. Without V you have no hope of holding aggro, 
with it it is trivial and you mostly have no influence when and if you 
can stack it.

Regards, Matt