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chocolatemalt wrote:

> Maybe, just *maybe*, with this tweak and a few others, the honor system 
> would suddenly look like fun to you rather than the drag that it is 
> today.  That's the whole point.
> 

Sorry, but you still fail to see the point of it.

DHK will never, ever work. All that it makes is reduce the amount of pvp 
outside of battlegrounds. And that's something nobody wants to see on a 
PVP server. I'm personally a carebear, and I enjoy that duty because I 
enforce that law by myself.

There are many things happening once you reach 60 with your main 
character on a PVP server. Many, many things, making you see your game 
very, very differently. It's like a fresh restart, except you can now 
decide of your own quests, your own crusades, your own fun.

And yes, invading a lowbie city is a part of this fun. I like to see my 
character as one of the hundred most powerful in the realms. As a 
character that actually matters in the balance of power of my PVP 
server. Actually I'm able to recruit 80 men-at-arms and launch an attack 
on an enemy city. Or organize a defense of a zone. Strategical moves. 
And I can choose my reward, be it straight fun, novelty, or a new item.

A DHK is griefing. 10 DHKs make someone lose a full PVP rank. A PVP rank 
is one month of farming, one month down the drain. Don't tell me this is 
on par with the fun both side can get on a PVP server from a single big 
boss laying waste on a lowbie zone, and the lowbies setting up a defense 
and enjoying the satisfaction of retaliation.

I'm not a ganker, but I like to spend time in Ironforge with my troll. I 
go there, and what do I see?

I see rogues and paladins stunning me while the guards pound me down. 
That's right, two rogues, two paladins, all between level 20 and 40, 
stunning me enough to prevent me from healing the wounds that the guards 
inflicted. This is what I see as griefing. I'm having fun on a 
diplomatic visit, and these only want to kill me. Do I merit a DHK on 
top of that from setting them "Kill on sight"? They want me to be the 
enemy, then what about me being the big cannibal troll that "nobody in 
the region can drive away"? What about me willingly being a quest mob 
for the lowbies? Is that dishonourable? I still don't think so.

Actually I love it when others do that. I'm very fond of looking for 
ways to make them eat dust. I got my first level mounted ganker when I 
was 20 in ashenvale. I pulled him all the way to Zoram Gar Outpost then 
helped the guards zerg him. I got my first level 60 rogue and level 50 
paladin when they were ganking lowbies in Sun Rock, and I was only a 
couple minutes away in Desolace at level 33. I went there, organized 
defense, dotted the rogue and mana burned the pallie. The other day with 
my level 43 hunter I killed a 60 rogue in a fair duel. Twice. Earlier 
this month with 3 fellow guildmates we did some PVP in ganklethorn Vale. 
None of us was 40 yet, yet we downed a 60 rogue and another 60 paladin. 
Of course I die a lot when it doesn't work, and of course I bitch around 
and pester so much after them. But the joice I take from these little 
victory dwarfs the pain or boredom I experience when I get killed 
quickly and repeatedly.

Do they deserve DHK? Of course they don't! Bring on the fun, go on, 
gankers! We'll miss you all if you don't do it anymore for fear of DHKs. 
Just as my server misses city raids. I'll give a hundred corpse runs for 
a just a little city invasion every two days.

The current flame war on our forums is about 30 alliance in a random 
raid who pulled Cairne Bloodhoof out of the city to avoid DHK by using a 
pathing exploit. This flame war is lame, but everybody agrees to say 
that DHKs are a failure.

Remove DHKs, all forms of DHK, all forms of PVP penalty on PVP servers.

Please.

A DHK means days if not weeks of honour lost for the ganker, 3 minutes / 
1 hour at most for the victim. Think about it. Set up a rule and it will 
be abused, just as there are already /pvp abuses out there. If you want 
a rule, play on a PVE server, or learn to enjoy spending time killing 
and being killed, because that's why you should have chosen PVP. For the 
thrill of being always a potential target, for the sheer amount of 
targets that are offered to you, for the joice of victory, for the 
bitterness of defeat, and for the sense of achievement that comes each 
time you level in contested territories.