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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:24:23 -0400, "Noxx-Zema"
<patlang+++++sti@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi evreyone !
>
>I just installed Unreal Anthology, so UT2004. Finally tried it online, using 
>my UT99 Nic, without my caln's tag.
>
>The funniest thing happened, two players were arguing wheter I should get a 
>different Nic, or include my clan's tag. I should point out that we're a 
>UT99 sniper clan only. I just stayed out of it, new world for me.
>
>I want to keep the same Nic, easier to find players I know, and enjoy 
>playing. The clan dosen't support UT2004, so I won't use the tag.
>
>I'm just curious what you guy's have to say about this.
>
>Later
>Noxx-Zema

I'm not sure what the issue is?  Lots of people drop their clan tag
when they change gametypes.  I would cordially invite the two players
to kiss my ass.

"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:24:23 -0400, "Noxx-Zema"
> <patlang+++++sti@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi evreyone !
>>
>>I just installed Unreal Anthology, so UT2004. Finally tried it online, 
>>using
>>my UT99 Nic, without my caln's tag.
>>
>>The funniest thing happened, two players were arguing wheter I should get 
>>a
>>different Nic, or include my clan's tag. I should point out that we're a
>>UT99 sniper clan only. I just stayed out of it, new world for me.
>>
>>I want to keep the same Nic, easier to find players I know, and enjoy
>>playing. The clan dosen't support UT2004, so I won't use the tag.
>>
>>I'm just curious what you guy's have to say about this.
>>
>>Later
>>Noxx-Zema
>
> I'm not sure what the issue is?  Lots of people drop their clan tag
> when they change gametypes.  I would cordially invite the two players
> to kiss my ass.

It's your game, your choice. I'm with Folk. It seems silly to advertise clan 
allegiance ingame for another game altogether. 

goPostal wrote:
> 
> It's your game, your choice. 

My view also. It's not like there is a law :-)

Only thing an I really see being wrong with regards to Nics, or tags for 
that matter, is using someone else's Nic or using an offensive one.

Kind regards
Bruno

"Bruno" <dont.use@this.address.ever> wrote in message 
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> goPostal wrote:
>>
>> It's your game, your choice.
>
> My view also. It's not like there is a law :-)
>
> Only thing an I really see being wrong with regards to Nics, or tags for 
> that matter, is using someone else's Nic or using an offensive one.
>
> Kind regards
> Bruno

Good point also Bruno. It always kinda irked me to see the {ASS} tagged guys 
playing on a server and the admin getting after someone for saying "damn". 
Um, hello?..... 

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:10 -0700, "goPostal"
<agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Bruno" <dont.use@this.address.ever> wrote in message 
>news:46f939b2$0$7609$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
>> goPostal wrote:
>>>
>>> It's your game, your choice.
>>
>> My view also. It's not like there is a law :-)
>>
>> Only thing an I really see being wrong with regards to Nics, or tags for 
>> that matter, is using someone else's Nic or using an offensive one.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Bruno
>
>Good point also Bruno. It always kinda irked me to see the {ASS} tagged guys 
>playing on a server and the admin getting after someone for saying "damn". 
>Um, hello?..... 

Even more stupid is a server who kicks someone for saying "damn".
Humans should be able to say anything that the bots are already saying
in *their* smack-talk.

"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:10 -0700, "goPostal"
> <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruno" <dont.use@this.address.ever> wrote in message
>>news:46f939b2$0$7609$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
>>> goPostal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's your game, your choice.
>>>
>>> My view also. It's not like there is a law :-)
>>>
>>> Only thing an I really see being wrong with regards to Nics, or tags for
>>> that matter, is using someone else's Nic or using an offensive one.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Bruno
>>
>>Good point also Bruno. It always kinda irked me to see the {ASS} tagged 
>>guys
>>playing on a server and the admin getting after someone for saying "damn".
>>Um, hello?.....
>
> Even more stupid is a server who kicks someone for saying "damn".
> Humans should be able to say anything that the bots are already saying
> in *their* smack-talk.

So very true. Do ya think "Die, bitch!" is disabled?

I wonder what part of human nature makes you want to control things to that 
extent? Body parts flying everywhere, blood splattered on every surface, 
homicidal behavior is both encouraged and rewarded and it's improper to say 
"hell" or call someone a "dick"? 

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:53:01 -0700, "goPostal"
<agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:10 -0700, "goPostal"
>> <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruno" <dont.use@this.address.ever> wrote in message
>>>news:46f939b2$0$7609$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
>>>> goPostal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's your game, your choice.
>>>>
>>>> My view also. It's not like there is a law :-)
>>>>
>>>> Only thing an I really see being wrong with regards to Nics, or tags for
>>>> that matter, is using someone else's Nic or using an offensive one.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Bruno
>>>
>>>Good point also Bruno. It always kinda irked me to see the {ASS} tagged 
>>>guys
>>>playing on a server and the admin getting after someone for saying "damn".
>>>Um, hello?.....
>>
>> Even more stupid is a server who kicks someone for saying "damn".
>> Humans should be able to say anything that the bots are already saying
>> in *their* smack-talk.
>
>So very true. Do ya think "Die, bitch!" is disabled?
>
>I wonder what part of human nature makes you want to control things to that 
>extent? Body parts flying everywhere, blood splattered on every surface, 
>homicidal behavior is both encouraged and rewarded and it's improper to say 
>"hell" or call someone a "dick"? 

Beats me.  I've played on a server that has that stupid "replace bad
words with other words" mod.  I asked about it, and they said it was
to make it more "kid friendly".  I told them they should read the
minimum age requirement on the UT box...  

Bottom line answer though was just as you alluded to... "it's my
server and I'll implement any little control-freak rules I like".

"Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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> Beats me.  I've played on a server that has that stupid "replace bad
> words with other words" mod.  I asked about it, and they said it was
> to make it more "kid friendly".  I told them they should read the
> minimum age requirement on the UT box...
>
> Bottom line answer though was just as you alluded to... "it's my
> server and I'll implement any little control-freak rules I like".

I guess *maybe* if you were playing something like freeze tag I *might* see 
a reason to watch language, but even that's not kid friendly because you'll 
gib if you drop too far. I think the control freak part of it is probably 
closer than anything I've said. I watched an admin kick a player the other 
night for knocking her bender off a ramp. She was just huffy because she got 
owned in front of her buds and did it to get even. A couple of the players 
got on her for doing it so I lied and said I had demorec running and I was 
going to send it to the server owner. She left, ran down the player on 
another server and brought him back. It was just a silly thing to happen but 
control is paramount for some people. 

"goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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>> Beats me.  I've played on a server that has that stupid "replace bad
>> words with other words" mod.  I asked about it, and they said it was
>> to make it more "kid friendly".  I told them they should read the
>> minimum age requirement on the UT box...
>>
>> Bottom line answer though was just as you alluded to... "it's my
>> server and I'll implement any little control-freak rules I like".
>
> I guess *maybe* if you were playing something like freeze tag I *might* 
> see a reason to watch language, but even that's not kid friendly because 
> you'll gib if you drop too far. I think the control freak part of it is 
> probably closer than anything I've said. I watched an admin kick a player 
> the other night for knocking her bender off a ramp. She was just huffy 
> because she got owned in front of her buds and did it to get even. A 
> couple of the players got on her for doing it so I lied and said I had 
> demorec running and I was going to send it to the server owner. She left, 
> ran down the player on another server and brought him back. It was just a 
> silly thing to happen but control is paramount for some people.
>
Well. Went back to the said server, only to be banned. With the box telling 
me my nic was offencive ! Only when I added my clan's tag could I log on 
again.

The next day, went back, and no clan's tag was necessary. I guess the 
control issue is again prouven.

Later,
Noxx 

"Noxx-Zema" <patlang+++++sti@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
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>>> Beats me.  I've played on a server that has that stupid "replace bad
>>> words with other words" mod.  I asked about it, and they said it was
>>> to make it more "kid friendly".  I told them they should read the
>>> minimum age requirement on the UT box...
>>>
>>> Bottom line answer though was just as you alluded to... "it's my
>>> server and I'll implement any little control-freak rules I like".
>>
>> I guess *maybe* if you were playing something like freeze tag I *might* 
>> see a reason to watch language, but even that's not kid friendly because 
>> you'll gib if you drop too far. I think the control freak part of it is 
>> probably closer than anything I've said. I watched an admin kick a player 
>> the other night for knocking her bender off a ramp. She was just huffy 
>> because she got owned in front of her buds and did it to get even. A 
>> couple of the players got on her for doing it so I lied and said I had 
>> demorec running and I was going to send it to the server owner. She left, 
>> ran down the player on another server and brought him back. It was just a 
>> silly thing to happen but control is paramount for some people.
>>
> Well. Went back to the said server, only to be banned. With the box 
> telling me my nic was offencive ! Only when I added my clan's tag could I 
> log on again.
>
> The next day, went back, and no clan's tag was necessary. I guess the 
> control issue is again prouven.
>
> Later,
> Noxx
>

I'm going to end up getting banned for it but I've taken to pointing out 
that that built in taunts have "bad" language. Yesterday an admin got after 
a guy for saying "penis" so I asked why "Die bitch" is allowed but the 
proper name for anatomy is not? Everybody started the DB taunt until the 
admin either said for it to stop or he was going to shut the server down. I 
apologized for starting it but pointed out how silly it can be to go too 
far.
You guys are so right. It's not a censorship issue, it's a control issue. 

goPostal wrote:

> 
> I'm going to end up getting banned for it but I've taken to pointing out 
> that that built in taunts have "bad" language. Yesterday an admin got after 
> a guy for saying "penis" so I asked why "Die bitch" is allowed but the 
> proper name for anatomy is not? Everybody started the DB taunt until the 
> admin either said for it to stop or he was going to shut the server down. I 
> apologized for starting it but pointed out how silly it can be to go too 
> far.
> You guys are so right. It's not a censorship issue, it's a control issue. 
> 
> 
I guess this all shows that being all things to all man is not easy. It 
may be the server admin is suffering from megalomania but it could also 
she/he is just trying a bit to hard.

I think you did the right thing raising the issue of the double standard 
   and in essence the build in taunts. Still in some way I find 
profanities which are typed in are stronger/worse due to being "created" 
and not just used as the build-in ones.

Regardless in my view the real bad language is not things like the F* 
word but more when people user ugly words about minorities and so. Maybe 
it is because words like the F* one is not in my native tongue so I 
really know it more as something used in pop culture, like in the movie 
Die Hard, than a thing I might say if I hit my self trying to hit a nail 
with a hammer.

Kind regards
Bruno

> 
> I'm going to end up getting banned for it but I've taken to pointing out 
> that that built in taunts have "bad" language. Yesterday an admin got after 
> a guy for saying "penis" so I asked why "Die bitch" is allowed but the 
> proper name for anatomy is not? Everybody started the DB taunt until the 
> admin either said for it to stop or he was going to shut the server down.
I've had admins threaten that before, , they usually don't do it, at 
least not for long, else they lose their only means of power, and will 
surely return. Funny how admins are often making the game suck with 
powertrips like that, which makes people leave, , and their only 
recourse is to shut it down. It's like they don't want anyone around 
them that doesn't bow to their every whim. . . You gotta wonder what 
they're like in real life, if they're as lonely there as the yseem. .

> I 
> apologized for starting it but pointed out how silly it can be to go too 
> far.
> You guys are so right. It's not a censorship issue, it's a control issue. 
> 
> 

"Bruno" <dont.use@this.address.ever> wrote in message 
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> goPostal wrote:
>
> I guess this all shows that being all things to all man is not easy. It 
> may be the server admin is suffering from megalomania but it could also 
> she/he is just trying a bit to hard.
>
> I think you did the right thing raising the issue of the double standard 
> and in essence the build in taunts. Still in some way I find profanities 
> which are typed in are stronger/worse due to being "created" and not just 
> used as the build-in ones.
>
> Regardless in my view the real bad language is not things like the F* word 
> but more when people user ugly words about minorities and so. Maybe it is 
> because words like the F* one is not in my native tongue so I really know 
> it more as something used in pop culture, like in the movie Die Hard, than 
> a thing I might say if I hit my self trying to hit a nail with a hammer.
>
> Kind regards
> Bruno

I had a talk with my kid about this very issue yesterday. One of his mates 
got in trouble at school for saying "shit" in front of the teacher last 
week. He asked my opinion and I pretty much mirrored your post with the 
exception of I used stubbing my toe instead of a hammer. I want my kids to 
understand that there is a HUGE difference between saying a word in response 
to a situation (imagine if uh-oh was profanity), and actually using a word 
to defame or disgrace someone. 

"GTD" <Stoooopid@duuuh.net> wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> I'm going to end up getting banned for it but I've taken to pointing out 
>> that that built in taunts have "bad" language. Yesterday an admin got 
>> after a guy for saying "penis" so I asked why "Die bitch" is allowed but 
>> the proper name for anatomy is not? Everybody started the DB taunt until 
>> the admin either said for it to stop or he was going to shut the server 
>> down.
> I've had admins threaten that before, , they usually don't do it, at least 
> not for long, else they lose their only means of power, and will surely 
> return. Funny how admins are often making the game suck with powertrips 
> like that, which makes people leave, , and their only recourse is to shut 
> it down. It's like they don't want anyone around them that doesn't bow to 
> their every whim. . . You gotta wonder what they're like in real life, if 
> they're as lonely there as the yseem. .

To be fair I should also remember who is footing the bill for the server 
too. I guess I get a bit overzealous and forget I'm (in all actuality) 
playing ball at someone else's house. It's their house and their ball. I'd 
just like to see better sportsmanship and more adult behavior is all.

Waa waa....Someone change my diaper.  :P 

In article <z5uOi.27$or6.13@newsfe06.lga>, "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Noxx-Zema" <patlang+++++sti@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "Folk" <Folk@folk.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:1dlnf3pgmnb55pkmonj9us5rqvah8d1ksr@4ax.com...
>>>> Beats me.  I've played on a server that has that stupid "replace bad
>>>> words with other words" mod.  I asked about it, and they said it was
>>>> to make it more "kid friendly".  I told them they should read the
>>>> minimum age requirement on the UT box...
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line answer though was just as you alluded to... "it's my
>>>> server and I'll implement any little control-freak rules I like".
>>>
>>> I guess *maybe* if you were playing something like freeze tag I *might* 
>>> see a reason to watch language, but even that's not kid friendly because 
>>> you'll gib if you drop too far. I think the control freak part of it is 
>>> probably closer than anything I've said. I watched an admin kick a player 
>>> the other night for knocking her bender off a ramp. She was just huffy 
>>> because she got owned in front of her buds and did it to get even. A 
>>> couple of the players got on her for doing it so I lied and said I had 
>>> demorec running and I was going to send it to the server owner. She left, 
>>> ran down the player on another server and brought him back. It was just a 
>>> silly thing to happen but control is paramount for some people.
>>>
>> Well. Went back to the said server, only to be banned. With the box 
>> telling me my nic was offencive ! Only when I added my clan's tag could I 
>> log on again.
>>
>> The next day, went back, and no clan's tag was necessary. I guess the 
>> control issue is again prouven.
>>
>> Later,
>> Noxx
>>
>
>I'm going to end up getting banned for it but I've taken to pointing out 
>that that built in taunts have "bad" language. Yesterday an admin got after 
>a guy for saying "penis" so I asked why "Die bitch" is allowed but the 
>proper name for anatomy is not? Everybody started the DB taunt until the 
>admin either said for it to stop or he was going to shut the server down. I 
>apologized for starting it but pointed out how silly it can be to go too 
>far.
>You guys are so right. It's not a censorship issue, it's a control issue. 
>
>

You do  know that  you shut the auto taunts off on your end , right?

"goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| To be fair I should also remember who is footing the bill for the
server
| too. I guess I get a bit overzealous and forget I'm (in all
actuality)
| playing ball at someone else's house. It's their house and their
ball. I'd
| just like to see better sportsmanship and more adult behavior is
all.
|
| Waa waa....Someone change my diaper.  :P
|
|

Some smarta$$ gave me a large package of "Depends" for my 50th
birthday, I'll send 'em over to you for the "change", hehe.
-- 
Best regards,
Kyle

"Kyle" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message 
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> "goPostal" <agutgopostal@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | To be fair I should also remember who is footing the bill for the
> server
> | too. I guess I get a bit overzealous and forget I'm (in all
> actuality)
> | playing ball at someone else's house. It's their house and their
> ball. I'd
> | just like to see better sportsmanship and more adult behavior is
> all.
> |
> | Waa waa....Someone change my diaper.  :P
> |
> |
>
> Some smarta$$ gave me a large package of "Depends" for my 50th
> birthday, I'll send 'em over to you for the "change", hehe.
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Kyle
>

Better hang on to them. Some fine caregiver might be thankful on your 
behalf.  :)

I actually keep a few around the house for the odd dirty, wet job like oil 
changes or plumbing work. I once bought a box of the disposable surgical 
drapes at a yard sale and those things were suh-weet! You could nearly 
change your oil into one of those and it would absorb it. 

On Oct 10, 2:59 am, "goPostal" <agutgopos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Kyle" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > "goPostal" <agutgopos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:beCOi.76$or6.11@newsfe06.lga...
> > | To be fair I should also remember who is footing the bill for the
> > server
> > | too. I guess I get a bit overzealous and forget I'm (in all
> > actuality)
> > | playing ball at someone else's house. It's their house and their
> > ball. I'd
> > | just like to see better sportsmanship and more adult behavior is
> > all.
> > |
> > | Waa waa....Someone change my diaper.  :P
> > |
> > |
>
> > Some smarta$$ gave me a large package of "Depends" for my 50th
> > birthday, I'll send 'em over to you for the "change", hehe.
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Kyle
>
> Better hang on to them. Some fine caregiver might be thankful on your
> behalf.  :)
>
> I actually keep a few around the house for the odd dirty, wet job like oil
> changes or plumbing work. I once bought a box of the disposable surgical
> drapes at a yard sale and those things were suh-weet! You could nearly
> change your oil into one of those and it would absorb it.

Hmmm... People always seem to have some plausible explanations when it
comes to pervertad habits...

Anyway, hi all :)

   /impslayer

> You do  know that  you shut the auto taunts off on your end , right?

Why that? You can play on alot of servers with Autotaunt on. Just depending
on rules. I as a clanplayer Snipe/Camp have them off because its annyoing
on our gamestyle.