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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
wrote:

>See:-
>
>http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>
>All games completely DRM-free. 
>
>XP/Vista/Win7
>
>John Lewis


Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
Steam for six bucks back in July.

On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
> wrote:
> 
>> See:-
>>
>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>
>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>
>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>
>> John Lewis
> 
> 
> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
> Steam for six bucks back in July.
> 

These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
what we can get on Steam. I already have the original games in boxes,
but still picked up these fully updated download versions.

The games run fine in Windows8 by the way.
--
Noman

On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:58:48 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
wrote:

>On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> See:-
>>>
>>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>>
>>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>>
>>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>>
>>> John Lewis
>> 
>> 
>> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
>> Steam for six bucks back in July.
>> 
>
>These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
>what we can get on Steam. 

I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
in is worth paying twice as much from a company that hoaxed their
customers into believing they were going out of business.

But, it's been done here many times before, so I don't think I will.

On 01/10/2012 4:57 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
> I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
> you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
> the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
> in is worth paying twice as much from a company that hoaxed their
> customers into believing they were going out of business.

It doesn't have to be a debate, if people are willing to accept that
other people value different things and don't need to be converted
to some other view. I happen to want to be able to play some of my
GOG games at times when I don't have consistent internet access;
I accept that my son prefers Steam and has good reason to do so.

> But, it's been done here many times before, so I don't think I will.

Sigh, Rin, of course you realize you've just done it. Or did you 
seriously think the rest of us flamers would let you get the last word? ;)

On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 22:53:49 -0400, David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca>
wrote:

>On 01/10/2012 4:57 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>> I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
>> you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
>> the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
>> in is worth paying twice as much from a company that hoaxed their
>> customers into believing they were going out of business.
>
>It doesn't have to be a debate, if people are willing to accept that
>other people value different things and don't need to be converted
>to some other view.

I have no problem with folks preferring to buy on GOG, if that's what
they choose.  I've said that before as well.

> I happen to want to be able to play some of my
>GOG games at times when I don't have consistent internet access;

See below, that requirement about Steam is a myth.

>I accept that my son prefers Steam and has good reason to do so.
>
>> But, it's been done here many times before, so I don't think I will.
>
>Sigh, Rin, of course you realize you've just done it. Or did you 
>seriously think the rest of us flamers would let you get the last word? ;)

I said I wasn't going to get into a tired old debate things that have
already been debated (at least not right now and not with the same
people), it doesn't preclude me from giving a quick summary of the
facts, then leaving it up to the wherewithal of the reader to decide
if it influences their perspective or not (I don't blame them if it
doesn't) .  

But, whatever you do, look alive and realize that logging into Steam
does not equal the need to be online, then go on about whatever you
want in the space here.  Here, last word space for rent... knock
yourself out.

I mostly chimed in on this thread because usually when JL mentions a
GOG deal, he will say "but it's still $XX on Steam", without realizing
that it has been on sale for half the GOG price about three times on
average over the last six months on Steam, and that the only DRM
present is dependent on what the publisher decided to impose at the
time (not Valve).

That's not a tired old debate.  It's stating facts then leaving them
where they lay.

On 10/1/2012 8:07 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:

> I mostly chimed in on this thread because usually when JL mentions a
> GOG deal, he will say "but it's still $XX on Steam", without realizing
> that it has been on sale for half the GOG price about three times on
> average over the last six months on Steam, and that the only DRM
> present is dependent on what the publisher decided to impose at the
> time (not Valve).
> 
> That's not a tired old debate.  It's stating facts then leaving them
> where they lay.
> 

Steam enforces its own DRM on almost all games that you can buy on
Steam, and that's a fact. You can't re-install those games, without
having internet access and an access to Steam server. You can't have two
different games purchased on Steam running on two different PCs at the
same time, unless you carefully manage offline mode, which itself has
its issues. You can't give the game you purchase to someone else unless
you share your account details with them.

I don't want to continue this debate either, but insisting that Steam is
not a DRM and then declaring it as a fact is more than a bit idiotic.
--
Noman

On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:30:10 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
wrote:

>On 10/1/2012 8:07 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>
>> I mostly chimed in on this thread because usually when JL mentions a
>> GOG deal, he will say "but it's still $XX on Steam", without realizing
>> that it has been on sale for half the GOG price about three times on
>> average over the last six months on Steam, and that the only DRM
>> present is dependent on what the publisher decided to impose at the
>> time (not Valve).
>> 
>> That's not a tired old debate.  It's stating facts then leaving them
>> where they lay.
>> 
>
>Steam enforces its own DRM on almost all games that you can buy on
>Steam, and that's a fact. 

Proof that this is a myth has been well-documented in recent threads
here.  If you're interested in the truth, it's not too far out of
reach.  But that's your call.

On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:57:55 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:58:48 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
>wrote:
>
>>On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> See:-
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>>>
>>>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>>>
>>>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>>>
>>>> John Lewis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
>>> Steam for six bucks back in July.
>>> 
>>
>>These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
>>what we can get on Steam. 
>
>I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
>you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
>the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
>in is worth paying twice as much 

Not always twice...anyway stop trailing red herrings.. And the GOG
versions come with ALL available extra goodies... soundtracks etc.
For my large collection of classic PC games, finally the total freedom
from either the Steam umbilical or (copy-protected) CD/DVD installs is
so refreshing. I keep all my GOG install-files on a desktop USB3.0
drive (and archived elsewhere)... lightning fast installs.  Just one
download of each game + its extras... done. No need to log-on to some
junk umbilical website like Steam/Impulse/Gamersgate/Origin/etc  to
re-install or play. Install anywhere at any time. If the game has an
MP mode, the key is provided.  

> from a company that hoaxed their
>customers into believing they were going out of business.
>

Still flogging that dead horse? By now, only the skeleton must be
left.

John Lewis

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 06:26:46 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:57:55 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
><rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:58:48 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> See:-
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>>>>
>>>>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>>>>
>>>>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>>>>
>>>>> John Lewis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
>>>> Steam for six bucks back in July.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
>>>what we can get on Steam. 
>>
>>I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
>>you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
>>the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
>>in is worth paying twice as much 
>
>Not always twice...anyway stop trailing red herrings.. And the GOG
>versions come with ALL available extra goodies... soundtracks etc.
>For my large collection of classic PC games, finally the total freedom
>from either the Steam umbilical or (copy-protected) CD/DVD installs is
>so refreshing. I keep all my GOG install-files on a desktop USB3.0
>drive (and archived elsewhere)... lightning fast installs.  Just one
>download of each game + its extras... done. No need to log-on to some
>junk umbilical website like Steam/Impulse/Gamersgate/Origin/etc  to
>re-install or play. Install anywhere at any time. If the game has an
>MP mode, the key is provided.  

This is where the myth comes in, and where an understanding and
acceptance of the truth versus myth comes in handy.  You don't have to
"log into a website" or even have an active Internet connection to run
Steam.  I know "you can't handle the truth", but there it is.  If the
game does require that, it is a choice of the publisher and not Valve.

But if you'd like to continue to buy games from a company that pranks
their customers, please do feel free.. It gives me more reason to
laugh at you :)

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:16:26 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
<rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 06:26:46 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:57:55 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
>><rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:58:48 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> See:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Lewis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
>>>>> Steam for six bucks back in July.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
>>>>what we can get on Steam. 
>>>
>>>I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
>>>you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
>>>the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
>>>in is worth paying twice as much 
>>
>>Not always twice...anyway stop trailing red herrings.. And the GOG
>>versions come with ALL available extra goodies... soundtracks etc.
>>For my large collection of classic PC games, finally the total freedom
>>from either the Steam umbilical or (copy-protected) CD/DVD installs is
>>so refreshing. I keep all my GOG install-files on a desktop USB3.0
>>drive (and archived elsewhere)... lightning fast installs.  Just one
>>download of each game + its extras... done. No need to log-on to some
>>junk umbilical website like Steam/Impulse/Gamersgate/Origin/etc  to
>>re-install or play. Install anywhere at any time. If the game has an
>>MP mode, the key is provided.  
>
>This is where the myth comes in, and where an understanding and
>acceptance of the truth versus myth comes in handy.  You don't have to
>"log into a website" or even have an active Internet connection to run
>Steam.  I know "you can't handle the truth", but there it is.  If the
>game does require that, it is a choice of the publisher and not Valve.
>
>But if you'd like to continue to buy games from a company that pranks
>their customers, please do feel free.. It gives me more reason to
>laugh at you :)

Now, let me see. Here is this icon "Mafia" on my desktop. Hmmm.. maybe
I might like to play the game. Double-click. Huh? What's this ? The
Steam log-in comes up..damn,  forgot to log-in and/or set Steam to off
-line mode. 

Now, where did store my log-in and password? Sorry, I don't auto
log-in. Security issue, you know. 

Of course, if one auto- logins or has (previously logged-in to) set
off-line mode, then I suppose you can live in the alternate reality
that the Steam umbilical does not exist.

Have you applied for a job with Valve? Your technical and marketing
ability should find you a slot in the company with remuneration 
and bonuses suitably aligned with your current wealth. And Bellevue is
a beautiful area, with all sorts of recreation close by. Skiing,
climbing and hiking in the Cascades, boating and fishing in the lakes
or in Puget Sound and the San Juan islands.

John Lewis

On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:36:54 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:16:26 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
><rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 06:26:46 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 16:57:55 -0400, Rin Stowleigh
>>><rstowleigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:58:48 -0700, noman <no_m_an@zzzyahoo.yycom>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/29/2012 3:26 PM, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:48:20 GMT, john.dsl@frontier.com (John Lewis)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> See:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.gog.com/en/promo/square_enix_weekend_promo_28_09_12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All games completely DRM-free. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP/Vista/Win7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lewis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems kind of pricey -- I bought all the Thief games in a bundle on
>>>>>> Steam for six bucks back in July.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>These games are DRM free on GoG, so they are different products than
>>>>>what we can get on Steam. 
>>>>
>>>>I guess that could lead to one of those tired old debates on whether
>>>>you believe logging into the Steam client constitutes DRM despite all
>>>>the advantages, or whether or not you believe the freedom to not log
>>>>in is worth paying twice as much 
>>>
>>>Not always twice...anyway stop trailing red herrings.. And the GOG
>>>versions come with ALL available extra goodies... soundtracks etc.
>>>For my large collection of classic PC games, finally the total freedom
>>>from either the Steam umbilical or (copy-protected) CD/DVD installs is
>>>so refreshing. I keep all my GOG install-files on a desktop USB3.0
>>>drive (and archived elsewhere)... lightning fast installs.  Just one
>>>download of each game + its extras... done. No need to log-on to some
>>>junk umbilical website like Steam/Impulse/Gamersgate/Origin/etc  to
>>>re-install or play. Install anywhere at any time. If the game has an
>>>MP mode, the key is provided.  
>>
>>This is where the myth comes in, and where an understanding and
>>acceptance of the truth versus myth comes in handy.  You don't have to
>>"log into a website" or even have an active Internet connection to run
>>Steam.  I know "you can't handle the truth", but there it is.  If the
>>game does require that, it is a choice of the publisher and not Valve.
>>
>>But if you'd like to continue to buy games from a company that pranks
>>their customers, please do feel free.. It gives me more reason to
>>laugh at you :)
>
>Now, let me see. Here is this icon "Mafia" on my desktop. Hmmm.. maybe
>I might like to play the game. Double-click. Huh? What's this ? The
>Steam log-in comes up..damn,  forgot to log-in and/or set Steam to off
>-line mode. 
>
>Now, where did store my log-in and password? Sorry, I don't auto
>log-in. Security issue, you know. 
>
>Of course, if one auto- logins or has (previously logged-in to) set
>off-line mode, then I suppose you can live in the alternate reality
>that the Steam umbilical does not exist.
>
>Have you applied for a job with Valve? Your technical and marketing
>ability should find you a slot in the company with remuneration 
>and bonuses suitably aligned with your current wealth. And Bellevue is
>a beautiful area, with all sorts of recreation close by. Skiing,
>climbing and hiking in the Cascades, boating and fishing in the lakes
>or in Puget Sound and the San Juan islands.
>
>John Lewis

Someones prescription ran out again I see.  Any reason you don't call
ahead and have them process the refill for you before the bottle is
empty?