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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
(CelesteB) wrote:

>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything. 
>
>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>
>Thanks! 
>
>Celeste
>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett

Thief 2 is my favorite I guess.  Maybe that's because it has the most Fan
Missions made for it (400+) and I've just played it the most.  Maybe it's
because it has a few more weapons and items for Garrett to use.  Maybe
it's because the graphics are a bit better than Thief 1.  Probably it's a
mixture of all those things.  I don't think it's any harder than Thief 1
though.  Maybe my skills were just better by the time I played T2.  I know
that I just scoff and laugh at situations in Thief now that would have
scared the crap out of me back when I was starting with Thief 1.

Anyhow, yes you should play it.  Then install Darkloader or Garrettloader
and start feasting on all the hundreds of fan missions available to you. I
wish I could go back and start playing them again for the first time. They
are what make Thief great, not the original campaigns, IMNSHO.*

Thief 3...well, it's fun to play once.  Eric Brosius' ambient music makes
some parts very nice.  But if you're used to the real Thief games you
might be annoyed by Thief 3.

You can get fan missions here:
http://thiefmissions.com/  and  http://www.keepofmetalandgold.com/
and you can discuss them here: 
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

Michael Cecil wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
> (CelesteB) wrote:
> 
> 
>>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything. 
>>
>>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>>
>>Thanks! 
>>
>>Celeste
>>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett
> 
> 
> Thief 2 is my favorite I guess.  Maybe that's because it has the most Fan
> Missions made for it (400+) and I've just played it the most.  Maybe it's
> because it has a few more weapons and items for Garrett to use.  Maybe
> it's because the graphics are a bit better than Thief 1.  Probably it's a
> mixture of all those things.  I don't think it's any harder than Thief 1
> though.  Maybe my skills were just better by the time I played T2.  I know
> that I just scoff and laugh at situations in Thief now that would have
> scared the crap out of me back when I was starting with Thief 1.
> 
> Anyhow, yes you should play it.  Then install Darkloader or Garrettloader
> and start feasting on all the hundreds of fan missions available to you. I
> wish I could go back and start playing them again for the first time. They
> are what make Thief great, not the original campaigns, IMNSHO.*
> 
> Thief 3...well, it's fun to play once.  Eric Brosius' ambient music makes
> some parts very nice.  But if you're used to the real Thief games you
> might be annoyed by Thief 3.
> 
> You can get fan missions here:
> http://thiefmissions.com/  and  http://www.keepofmetalandgold.com/
> and you can discuss them here: 
> http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100
  Yea, what he said. :-) Anyway, definitely play Thief 2. I don't even 
remember much of Thief at all. But there are plenty of Thief 2 Fan 
Missions. Some good and some not so good.
Albert

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
(CelesteB) wrote:

>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything. 
>
>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>
>Thanks! 
>
>Celeste
>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett

It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
than Thief1. 

Personally I prefer it to Thief 1 or Thief 3, but there is a lot of
debate about which is the best!.  Most of the  Fan Missions being
produced now are for TMA rather than TDP or TDS. 

I recommend playing it before you play TDS to  maintain  the story
sequence.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
(CelesteB) wrote:

>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything. 

Don't worry about arsenal, there's more than enough for you to
complete the priary objective.  

>
>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*

Thief 2 is slightly easier after you've played through Thief 1 - you
know exactly how to play.  On "Normal", the first map gives tutorials
on the basic gameplay so that you can at least clear the path.  

The map design is generally meant to make it easier for the player to
complete the maps without running into too much difficulty - less tile
floors, more paths within a building, etc.  There are somethings that
you will need to watch out for - but you'll find out soon enough.   

As with Thief 1, there is at least one "point-of-no-return" where the
map becomes extremely difficult when you pass through a certain area.
While there is an "out" in this case, there's a very high chance of
failure - thankfully, you aren't required to enter that area.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
(CelesteB) wrote:

>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything. 
>
>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>
>Thanks! 
>
>Celeste
>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett


I knew you all would persuade me *g*. I did have most of the links you
mentioned except the Keep of Metal and Gold. I'll give it a shot...I'm
a bit rusty. It's been three years since I played the original Thief
but hopefully it will be like riding a bike. Oh and I showed some
stuff from T:DS to my husband (the first part of the walkthrough with
Garrett's Notebook) and he's tempted to play now.  He's a flight sim
person but he said he could use the humor :)

Thanks! 

Celeste

P.S. I find the graphics still hold up fairly well...then again, it's
the gameplay that holds up :)
"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett

My favorite missions in Thief 1 were the Lost City and the one with the Fire 
Elementals flying around everywhere. I need to go back and play that again, 
as soon as I finish with TDS.

My daughter lauged at me when I was playing Thief 1 for the first time. 
Because I was leaning over in my chair trying to look around the corner....

"Albert Conklin" <aconklin@satx.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:45ae7b79$0$4869$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Michael Cecil wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
>> (CelesteB) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>>>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>>>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>>>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>>>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything.
>>>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>>>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>>>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Celeste
>>>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett
>>
>>
>> Thief 2 is my favorite I guess.  Maybe that's because it has the most Fan
>> Missions made for it (400+) and I've just played it the most.  Maybe it's
>> because it has a few more weapons and items for Garrett to use.  Maybe
>> it's because the graphics are a bit better than Thief 1.  Probably it's a
>> mixture of all those things.  I don't think it's any harder than Thief 1
>> though.  Maybe my skills were just better by the time I played T2.  I 
>> know
>> that I just scoff and laugh at situations in Thief now that would have
>> scared the crap out of me back when I was starting with Thief 1.
>>
>> Anyhow, yes you should play it.  Then install Darkloader or Garrettloader
>> and start feasting on all the hundreds of fan missions available to you. 
>> I
>> wish I could go back and start playing them again for the first time. 
>> They
>> are what make Thief great, not the original campaigns, IMNSHO.*
>>
>> Thief 3...well, it's fun to play once.  Eric Brosius' ambient music makes
>> some parts very nice.  But if you're used to the real Thief games you
>> might be annoyed by Thief 3.
>>
>> You can get fan missions here:
>> http://thiefmissions.com/  and  http://www.keepofmetalandgold.com/
>> and you can discuss them here: 
>> http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100
>  Yea, what he said. :-) Anyway, definitely play Thief 2. I don't even 
> remember much of Thief at all. But there are plenty of Thief 2 Fan 
> Missions. Some good and some not so good.
> Albert 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:56:20 -0700, "Terry Olsen" <tolsen64@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>My favorite missions in Thief 1 were the Lost City and the one with the Fire 
>Elementals flying around everywhere. I need to go back and play that again, 
>as soon as I finish with TDS.

My fav is the Thieve's Den mission you get with Thief Gold.  It's also the
one I get lost in.  I don't usually get lost in Thief missions.

>My daughter lauged at me when I was playing Thief 1 for the first time. 
>Because I was leaning over in my chair trying to look around the corner....

That's like a baby exploring a mirror.  :)
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

"Spud"  wrote:


> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net
> (CelesteB) wrote:
>
>>Ok, I played Thief 1 and really enjoyed it although it was rather
>>hard. I had to do lots of reloading because of my tendency to blunder
>>around a lot. Also, I tended to not use my arsenal because it was
>>limited and I worried there would be a spot later on in the mission
>>where I might really need it and I ended up not using anything.
>>
>>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Celeste
>>"Born to Rune" - T. Prachett
>
> It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
> various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
> than Thief1.


  Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank 
mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at Soulforge. 
You need a walkthru for that one.


> Personally I prefer it to Thief 1 or Thief 3, but there is a lot of
> debate about which is the best!.  Most of the  Fan Missions being
> produced now are for TMA rather than TDP or TDS.


 Worst thing about fan missions is having to start without any weapons. Or 
they drop you into the mission with a guard right near you so you have to 
scramble to a hiding spot right off the bat with no weapons. Or there are 9 
scrolls to read before you actually get into the action. 

reborn rolla wrote:
..........>
>  Worst thing about fan missions is having to start without any weapons. Or 
> they drop you into the mission with a guard right near you so you have to 
> scramble to a hiding spot right off the bat with no weapons. Or there are 9 
> scrolls to read before you actually get into the action. 
> 
> 
  True, some fan missions are like that, but not all of them. The 
Christine series of FM's is just as good if not better then the original 
missions.
  After trial and error, you know which FM makers games to play and 
which to avoid.
Albert

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:54:41 GMT, celestebREMOVE@telusplanet.net (CelesteB)
wrote:

>I just started up Thief:DS and was ready to go but part of me wants to
>play Thief 2 first. Why don't I play it? Because I've heard it's
>*hard* . Persuade me, give me tips, whatever *g*

Thief 2 is waaay better than T:DS, that's why you want to play it first. :-) 

Seriously, T2 has got a better story. If you like thiefing and burgaling,
exploring and finding secrets, you won't find much of it in T:DS. There is a
hell of a lot more exploring you can do vs. the limited linear levels of T:DS. 

You won't have to deal with the hub-based city of T:DS, where you end up being a
messenger boy criss-crossing the same city a dozen times throughout the game. 

Your armaments are much better in T2. 

There is no "faction/politics" crap to deal with in order to get through the
game--- you get to be Garrett- Master Thief, not a sappy politicking pawn. If
you don't align with factions in T:DS, then the boredom of criss-crossing the
city/hub becomes a (nearly pointless) "avoid the bad guys" type of game.
Definitely not Thiefing at all. Not when you have to do the same thing over and
over.

And once you're done with T2, then head over to thief2x.com and download the
free expansion. 13 new levels, new graphics, sounds, objects, characters,
creatures, and a cool story.

With all of the Thief story under your belt, THEN slog through T:DS. The thing
worth looking forward to there is The Cradle level. There rest just ain't Thief.

Yes, I sound negative and jaded because I'm a huge Thief fan, and T:DS was a
huge letdown for me. It was too much like Deus Ex 2, a Gabe Newell abomination.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:23:04 -0500, "tc@theland.com" <tc@theland.com> wrote:

>It was too much like Deus Ex 2, a Gabe Newell abomination.


Meh, I screwed up. It was a Warren Spector abominatrion. Not Gabe.  :->

"Albert Conklin"  wrote:

> reborn rolla wrote:
> ..........>
>>  Worst thing about fan missions is having to start without any weapons. 
>> Or they drop you into the mission with a guard right near you so you have 
>> to scramble to a hiding spot right off the bat with no weapons. Or there 
>> are 9 scrolls to read before you actually get into the action.
>  True, some fan missions are like that, but not all of them. The Christine 
> series of FM's is just as good if not better then the original missions.
>  After trial and error, you know which FM makers games to play and which 
> to avoid.


  The Christine missions are great. Another complaint is the guards who have 
helmets on. You sneak up and hit them and clang the noise alerts his 
buddies. That's why I save every 30 seconds when playing a fan mission. 
Around the next corner will be a guard carrying a lantern!!! There goes your 
hiding spot!


> Albert 

Don't forget the Rooftop mission in T2. The archers scene was hilarious...

> Seriously, T2 has got a better story. If you like thiefing and burgaling,
> exploring and finding secrets 

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:00:42 -0700, "Terry Olsen" <tolsen64@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Don't forget the Rooftop mission in T2. The archers scene was hilarious...

Yeah, I like it when you can get different groups of NPCs to fight like
that.  Do they normally just argue and then sulk?  I always shoot an arrow
at one side and ignite a war between them.
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

No, eventually one side will say something about the other side's noble or 
mother and they'll start shooting at each other on their own.

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:00:42 -0700, "Terry Olsen" <tolsen64@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Don't forget the Rooftop mission in T2. The archers scene was hilarious...
>
> Yeah, I like it when you can get different groups of NPCs to fight like
> that.  Do they normally just argue and then sulk?  I always shoot an arrow
> at one side and ignite a war between them.
> -- 
> Michael Cecil
> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
> http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
> http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/ 

Thief 2 is the best of the series, but T:DS has the best level of any game 
I've ever played, The Shalebridge Cradle. It's worth playing the whole game 
just for this.
Make sure you take a dump before playing said level, you've been warned. 

On the 19 Jan 2007, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com> wrote:

<Snip>

>> It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
>> various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
>> than Thief1.

>   Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank
> mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at Soulforge.
> You need a walkthru for that one.

I enjoyed the Bank one, but gave up trying to finish Soulforge after I 
realised it was annoying me so much I was in danger of snapping the CD 
or putting the keyboard through the monitor.

-- 
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Graham Thurlwell wrote:

> On the 19 Jan 2007, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com> wrote:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>>>It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
>>>various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
>>>than Thief1.
> 
> 
>>  Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank
>>mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at Soulforge.
>>You need a walkthru for that one.
> 
> 
> I enjoyed the Bank one, but gave up trying to finish Soulforge after I 
> realised it was annoying me so much I was in danger of snapping the CD 
> or putting the keyboard through the monitor.
> 
  I found the making of mines to be a bit annoying especially having to 
avoid the big bots.

"Graham Thurlwell" <nospam@jades.org> wrote in message 
news:71883fa94e.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com...

> I enjoyed the Bank one, but gave up trying to finish Soulforge after I
> realised it was annoying me so much I was in danger of snapping the CD

I did snap the CD for Iron Storm.
Damn, did I feel great afterwards.

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:04:26 GMT, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com>
wrote:

>
>"Spud"  wrote:
>
>
>> It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
>> various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
>> than Thief1.
>
>
>  Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank 
>mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at Soulforge. 
>You need a walkthru for that one.

Robots and watchers are taken out with either water arrows or fire
arrows.  They are also slower than normal guards - while they may
chase you around, they won't be able to do it over long distances.  

They also make fire arrows useful.  

"Raymond Martineau"  wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:04:26 GMT, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Spud"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
>>> various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
>>> than Thief1.
>>
>>
>>  Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank
>>mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at 
>>Soulforge.
>>You need a walkthru for that one.
>
> Robots and watchers are taken out with either water arrows or fire
> arrows.  They are also slower than normal guards - while they may
> chase you around, they won't be able to do it over long distances.
>
> They also make fire arrows useful.


  As long as the large robot has its back to you then 2 water arrows will do 
it in. I used to sneak up from behind and while pressing the W key blackjack 
them. It takes 18 whacks to dispose of them but now just use 2 water arrows. 
It's so much less stressfull. Sometimes one fire arrow is not enough 
depending on the mission maker. 

"Graham Thurlwell"  wrote:

> On the 19 Jan 2007, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com> wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
>>> It's no harder than Thief 1 and the game sequence trains you up in the
>>> various skills in a nice progression.  The graphics look much better
>>> than Thief1.
>
>>   Huh? What about the watchers and robots that are in Thief 2? The Bank
>> mission is way harder than anything in Thief 1 as is Sabotage at 
>> Soulforge.
>> You need a walkthru for that one.
>
> I enjoyed the Bank one, but gave up trying to finish Soulforge after I
> realised it was annoying me so much I was in danger of snapping the CD
> or putting the keyboard through the monitor.


  It's the only mission I had to play on easy mode. Even then I had to 
consult the walkthru for what to do first and then second etc.



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On the 28 Jan 2007, "reborn rolla" <zzrollazz@King2.com> wrote:

> 
> "Graham Thurlwell"  wrote:

<snip>

[Original Thief 2 missions]

>> I enjoyed the Bank one, but gave up trying to finish Soulforge after I
>> realised it was annoying me so much I was in danger of snapping the CD
>> or putting the keyboard through the monitor.

>   It's the only mission I had to play on easy mode. Even then I had to
> consult the walkthru for what to do first and then second etc.

It wasn't helped by a bug that messed up the map so that it was very 
difficult to tell where you were. That was fixed in a patch, 
fortunately.

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