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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:

> ...are just too damn tough!
>
> They're so strong it unbalanced the game IMHO. They just had too many  
> things
> going for them:
>
> 1 They're fast
> 2 They're deadly
> 3 They're very alert
> 4 They walk around in pairs
> 5 They can apparently see in the dark better than any other creature
> 6 They can even see THROUGH some things (a big rock, a big tree in a dark
> place, even a cell door!)
> 7 They're classed as "anyone" (as in "'Don't kill anyone" in Expert mode)
> rather than merely murderous monsters.
>
> I ended up giving up on that particular FM. I've played many, including  
> lots
> of tough ones but this one I just found way too infuriating.
>
> Despite my misgivings I still much enjoyed the FM and then part four of  
> the
> L'Arsene series restored my faith.
>
> JJ (UK)
>
>

It' s true, not the easiest mission, but also not the hardest. It's  
doable, remember it's a sneaking game and you can get quite far with  
avoiding them or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one  
by one from behind.

Although they seem to be able to see everything they don't, and there is a  
way to complete it. That said, it is one of those missions where I saved  
*a lot*.

Have fun.


-- 
Kind Regards,
B. Hoffmann

JJ (UK) wrote:

> ...are just too damn tough!
> 
> They're so strong it unbalanced the game IMHO. They just had too many things
> going for them:
> 
> 1 They're fast
> 2 They're deadly
> 3 They're very alert
> 4 They walk around in pairs
> 5 They can apparently see in the dark better than any other creature
> 6 They can even see THROUGH some things (a big rock, a big tree in a dark
> place, even a cell door!)
> 7 They're classed as "anyone" (as in "'Don't kill anyone" in Expert mode)
> rather than merely murderous monsters.
> 
> I ended up giving up on that particular FM. I've played many, including lots
> of tough ones but this one I just found way too infuriating.
> 
> Despite my misgivings I still much enjoyed the FM and then part four of the
> L'Arsene series restored my faith.
> 
> JJ (UK)
> 
> 
Is that a recent one? I don't think I have played it yet.
Albert

"B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:

> or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one
> by one from behind.

Except that in Expert mode you're not allowed to kill them at
all...otherwise that would have been my tactic.

JJ (UK)

"Albert Conklin" <aconklin@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Is that a recent one?

Date of Release : 09 - 2004

JJ (UK)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:14:12 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:

> "B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one
>> by one from behind.
>
> Except that in Expert mode you're not allowed to kill them at
> all...otherwise that would have been my tactic.
>
> JJ (UK)
>
>

Oh yeah, thought I gotta keep my options open with these murderous little  
buggers.
Is it your aim to play all FM's on Expert?

-- 
Kind Regards,
B. Hoffmann

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "B. Hoffmann"
<spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:14:12 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> "B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:op.thqropm7sssf0o@localhost...
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one
>>> by one from behind.
>>
>> Except that in Expert mode you're not allowed to kill them at
>> all...otherwise that would have been my tactic.
>>
>> JJ (UK)
>>
>>
>
>Oh yeah, thought I gotta keep my options open with these murderous little  
>buggers.
>Is it your aim to play all FM's on Expert?

I usually do that except if there is a "don't blackjack the guards"
requirement.

Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
requirement, right?  For those times when you absolutely have to kill
every muther in the mission.
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "B. Hoffmann"

> Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
> requirement, right?

Er, no! Tell me more!

JJ (UK)

"B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is it your aim to play all FM's on Expert?

Yep!

Although, I think, having got my fingers burned with The Korrigans I started
The Den on 'Hard' (but then the only difference at the start was the amount
of loot to steal and I easily passed that).

JJ (UK)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:57:54 GMT, "JJ \(UK\)" <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:

>"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "B. Hoffmann"
>
>> Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
>> requirement, right?
>
>Er, no! Tell me more!

In a few games where keeping someone alive is a goal, it won't work, but
generally if you edit your user.cfg file and add these two lines, you'll
see that the no kill option is disabled.

cheats_active
NoKillGoalCheat
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> cheats_active
> NoKillGoalCheat

Nice. Thank you!

JJ (UK)

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "B. Hoffmann"
> <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:14:12 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:op.thqropm7sssf0o@localhost...
>>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one
>>>> by one from behind.
>>>
>>> Except that in Expert mode you're not allowed to kill them at
>>> all...otherwise that would have been my tactic.
>>>
>>> JJ (UK)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh yeah, thought I gotta keep my options open with these murderous little
>>buggers.
>>Is it your aim to play all FM's on Expert?
>
> I usually do that except if there is a "don't blackjack the guards"
> requirement.
>
> Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
> requirement, right?  For those times when you absolutely have to kill
> every muther in the mission.


I prefer never to have to kill.
The game is "Thief", not "Serious Sam"..... 

MosNot wrote:

> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> 
>>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:31:20 GMT, "B. Hoffmann"
>><spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:14:12 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"B. Hoffmann" <spamfilter.list@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:op.thqropm7sssf0o@localhost...
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:21 +0100, JJ (UK) <oh.please@spam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>or killing their patrols from far away, picking them off one
>>>>>by one from behind.
>>>>
>>>>Except that in Expert mode you're not allowed to kill them at
>>>>all...otherwise that would have been my tactic.
>>>>
>>>>JJ (UK)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh yeah, thought I gotta keep my options open with these murderous little
>>>buggers.
>>>Is it your aim to play all FM's on Expert?
>>
>>I usually do that except if there is a "don't blackjack the guards"
>>requirement.
>>
>>Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
>>requirement, right?  For those times when you absolutely have to kill
>>every muther in the mission.
> 
> 
> 
> I prefer never to have to kill.
> The game is "Thief", not "Serious Sam"..... 
> 
> 
Serious Sam and Serious Sam II is lots of fun though. :-)

"Albert Conklin" <aconklin@satx.rr.com> wrote in message 
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> MosNot wrote:
>> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
>>>requirement, right?  For those times when you absolutely have to kill
>>>every muther in the mission.
>>
>> I prefer never to have to kill.
>> The game is "Thief", not "Serious Sam".....
> Serious Sam and Serious Sam II is lots of fun though. :-)

Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow. 

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:

>"Albert Conklin" <aconklin@satx.rr.com> wrote in message 
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>> MosNot wrote:
>>> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>>>Anyhow, you know there is a cheat that lets you bypass the do not kill
>>>>requirement, right?  For those times when you absolutely have to kill
>>>>every muther in the mission.
>>>
>>> I prefer never to have to kill.
>>> The game is "Thief", not "Serious Sam".....
>> Serious Sam and Serious Sam II is lots of fun though. :-)
>
>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow. 
>
Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:

>>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow.
>>
> Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
> better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.

Haven't tried it.  Thanks for the heads up on it. 

MosNot wrote:

> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> 
>>On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow.
>>>
>>
>>Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
>>better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.
> 
> 
> Haven't tried it.  Thanks for the heads up on it. 
> 
> 
  The demo for Dark Messiah is nice. A bit short, but nice.
  I still need to go rent Oblivion, but haven't had time to do that yet.
Albert

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:45:39 GMT, Albert Conklin <aconklin@satx.rr.com>
wrote:

>MosNot wrote:
>
>> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:DNudnfIxlJhkL6bYnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> 
>>>On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
>>>better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.
>> 
>> 
>> Haven't tried it.  Thanks for the heads up on it. 
>> 
>> 
>  The demo for Dark Messiah is nice. A bit short, but nice.
>  I still need to go rent Oblivion, but haven't had time to do that yet.
>Albert

Oblivion is a nice game.  You might hear me rag on it in csipgr but
overall I liked it.  I just hope they can build on what was good in it and
add a better plot for the next game in the series.
-- 
Michael Cecil
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
http://home.comcast.net/~safehex/
http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/hackingvista/

"Albert Conklin" <aconklin@satx.rr.com> wrote in message 
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> MosNot wrote:
>
>> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:DNudnfIxlJhkL6bYnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
>>>better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.
>>
>> Haven't tried it.  Thanks for the heads up on it.
>  The demo for Dark Messiah is nice. A bit short, but nice.
>  I still need to go rent Oblivion, but haven't had time to do that yet.
> Albert

Rent ?    I'm greedy....I like to own. 

"Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:45:39 GMT, Albert Conklin <aconklin@satx.rr.com>
>>MosNot wrote:
>>> "Michael Cecil" <macecil@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:19:50 -0600, "MosNot" <StillNot@YourHouse> wrote:
>>>>>Busy with Oblivion, sniping with a bow.
>>>>Did you try the Dark Messiah demo?  It seems like it will have a much
>>>>better "Thief" aspect to it.  Comes out on the 24th in the US.
>>> Haven't tried it.  Thanks for the heads up on it.
>>  The demo for Dark Messiah is nice. A bit short, but nice.
>>  I still need to go rent Oblivion, but haven't had time to do that yet.
>>Albert
>
> Oblivion is a nice game.  You might hear me rag on it in csipgr but
> overall I liked it.  I just hope they can build on what was good in it and
> add a better plot for the next game in the series.

I wish it would have started different....after all, in Morrowind,
you started out as a prisoner, and Deja vue....also in Oblivion.
They very easily could have waited until you had a few levels
experience, then have you arrested, either for a reason or
trumped up charges.  Then have the main quest dumped
in your lap.
If the game wasn't so good, I could easily get back to
the Thief 2 FMs I'm working on.   And now Dark Messiah
has been mentioned.