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On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:33:45 -0700, Garrett <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:58:34 +0100, "Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller"
><thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote:
>
>> 
>> "barnabyh" <invalid@address.org> wrote in message 
>> news:h6290l$pra$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > rms wrote:
>> >> AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!!
>> >> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58567
>> >>
>> >> rms
>> >
>> > Not sure if this is news to you guys here, but T4 is now officially on 
>> > pre-order at Amazon.co.uk
>> >
>> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eidos-Thief-4-PC/dp/B002BWONGM/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
>> >
>> > It's sure coming, hope this time round is gonna be better.
>> 
>> 
>> Why? It will just be dumbed down for console newbies, like Thief 3, Serious 
>> Sam 2, Deus X 2, Bioshock and Oblivion (despite not being able to play an 
>> FPS properly on their newbie consoles. 
>> 
>
>Pry-tell, "dumbed down," what do you mean?
>
>Thief-3, Bioshock, Oblivion dumbed down?!!!  None of these games are
>action games, they ARE RPG and play like any RPG.  Bioshock especially
>is NOT dumbed down IMHO.

I would describe T3 as an RPG really. And Bioshock, Oblivion and even
Morrowind suffered from being multi platform releases. They wouldn't have been
the same games if they had been released for PC only. The first thing to
notice is the UI. It's always bigger because of the TV thing. That's a sure
sign along with no real inventory management, which normally falls by the
wayside because most console users won't have a mouse. So what you end up with
is a list of items. by name, rather than a screen with weapons in where you
might have to juggle things around to make it all fit. Fallout 3 is a good
example of this. Look at the inventory in Stalker for a comparison or Deux Ex.

Here is the Deus Ex UI.

http://markdangerchen.net/media/blog/2008/01/deusex-2008-01-25-04-29-06-50.png

And here is the Deus Ex 2 UI.

http://www.stuffwelike.com/stuffwelike/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/deus-ex-invisible-war-04-l.jpg

I know which type I prefer.

The console controller and effectively the seating position of the player
defines how the game is going to look and thus the PC version also. These may
be simple things to some people but they are just a few examples of the
symptoms of a bigger problem. Games seem to be getting less and less
sophisticated in many ways and I for one want that complexity.