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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:27:31 -0600, "Luc The Perverse"
<sll_noSpamli...@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

>Um . . .   I think modern Israel did not exist until the late 40's.  Wasn't 
>it created as a refuge for Holocaust survivors at the end of WW II by the 
>newly established United Nations?  Then the bullshit started - because the 
>Zionist settlers ousted the Palestinian [Arabic] residents.   (I am by no 
>means a history buff - so this could be inaccurate.)

Oh yeah... I meant Nazi Germany didn't like jewish people very much.
The UK created Israel for some reason after WW2.

>Maybe this is where the disagreement comes from.  What exactly do you define 
>as a chemical weapon?

(from wikipedia)
"Chemical warfare is warfare (and associated military operations)
using the toxic properties of chemical substances to kill, injure or
incapacitate an enemy."

White phosphorus is highly reactive, and creates a lot of light and
heat (enough to kill/maim people), but is not stable enough to be used
as a toxic chemical agent. It's as if you dip someone in butane and
light them on fire then call butane a chemical weapon.

>I define a powder that comes through the window/chimney/floating through the 
>air and begins to eat my skin off as a chemical weapon - so maybe we are 
>arguing over semantics.     (I looked it up on dictionary.com and it seems 
>to go along with the same reasoning.)

It's actually pretty controversial whether or not white phosphorus
offensive weapons are considered "illegal chemical weapons" by the UN.
So I concede the point that GW is a hippocrite and a dumbass.

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus )

>Are you saying that a chemical can only be a chemical weapon if it causes 
>long term devastation or has recurring effects?

Chemical weapons can cause instant death. I'm not sure how you drew
that conclusion from what I said. :)

>> Did I miss something? I never heard about this...
>Yes.

*shrug*
Typical.

>With the numerous lies out there it would take some time to individually 
>investigate and report on each source ;)   The lies that I truly care about 
>I have independantly verified through both official and unofficial news 
>media and research.   The other ones - well a website can remain around for 
>those ;)

All politicians lie by the time they get to that level. Anyone who
says otherwise is either an ignorant idealist or a dumbass.

>>>I guess I would not make a very good leader valuing human life in general.
>> That's not the only reason... ;)
>Hey STFU!

Who was the last president that came out of Utah? Eh? :)

>In my opinion that is a worse cause than trying to steal oil.  Let's kill 
>people to make my friends rich.

Probably... but it seems like it makes more sense than any other
explanation to me.

>Appearantly not - and they wouldn't have a perpetual war with them if they 
>would just give up the damn land that they are holding in possesion.

Maybe someone should round them up and stick them on some shitty
barren land and give away their old stuff to some strangers...

>Have you forgotten how WW I started?

I suppose nobody's learned anything since then...

Alternately, Canada would be a very nice place to live if something
like that ever happened... well, aside from all the latent radioactive
crap that floated up from the US. Plus, with global warming, arctic
circle Canada could become a nice beach resort.

>Well MOST of the nuclear weapons can be accounted for.   But you are a 
>guard, suddenly you have no employer left - everyone seems to have forgotten 
>you.  You are trying to send an international telegraph to the president of 
>the US asking for help in securing a nuclear arsenal but it gets intercepted 
>by Mr Bean, who calls his Arab friends up and they come raid the place.

Or Mr. guard has been starving on his 5 potatoes a week rations and
suddenly has a WMD he can sell to the highest bidder. It's like
winning the lotto.

>> Muslim fundamentalists... Christian fundamentalists... they're all
>> idiots.
>Don't worry - so is Frans.

Atheist fundamentalists...?

>No - I am slightly relieved, because I am getting the idea that someone got 
>through to him - somehow.

Probably karl rove or Dick Cheney smacked him upside the head and said
something along the lines of, "Dumbass, we just wanted to make a
shitload of money, not cause world war 3."

>Even if all they said was, "Regardless of what your thoughts or plans are 
>you can't go around saying you will use nuclear weapons against a country" I 
>think it is an improvement over the "Bring It On"  attitude.

>Of course - Chas says that he hates Blair, but I don't know too much about 
>Blair.   Maybe if I were in England I would hate Blair too.

I'm sure that Bush gets entirely different press coverage in other
countries as well.

>On another note.    <shakes head> God dammit.  Fucking Nesquik reduced fat 
>bullshit.    How can a company destroy the greatest chocolate milk ever 
>made?   (They have a new product called Nesquik Milkshake or something that 
>comes close to what the old chocolate milk was, before they tried to make it 
>healthy, but it is too "thick" so it is still not quite right.)

er, wtf? it's just chocolate milk ffs...
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