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"Frans" <phasysn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>> There's bigger things going on now than you and me.  I may be divorced, 
>> living alone, broke as hell - but biblical prophecies are unraveling very 
>> quickly.
>>
>> It was prophesied over 2000 years ago in the revelations to John and Paul 
>> (The Christian apostles)  not to mention the times that Jesus alluded to 
>> it.
>
> OMG TEH ANTICHIRST ADN TEH APCOLYPSE!

Yup

>> The King of The North (The Bush/Blair/Olmert alliance)  is rising against 
>> the King of The South (hinging around Arab/Iranian alliances).   George 
>> Bush keeps claiming that god is telling him to do these things.  I have 
>> no doubt that there is a small voice whispering to him to kill as many 
>> Arabs as possible.
>
> Bush is not a king. Neither is Blair, and neither is Olmert. And don't 
> start that crap about the bible being all about 'symbolism' because people 
> who believe that shit interpret everything just the way they want to to 
> make it fit their stupid stories. This is the same in EVERY religion. I 
> don't like it that Bush is claiming to be the agent of god, but what I 
> also don't like is being threatened in my way of life by a bunch of 
> middle-aged barbarians with turbans, who abuse their women, send their 11 
> year old children to the frontline with a gun, blow themselves up in 
> crowded areas in the name of allah, and want to kill everyone who is 
> different from themselves.

Oh you're right.   They needed to invent the word president and prime 
minister in the greek language to allow prophetic utterances to be 
effective.

You know what I think?   I think God (through an Angel) showed John EXACTLY 
what was going to happen, and mixed with it symbolism, and John wrote down 
what he could.   How else would a 1st century person record seeing a 
warplane, than "an iron breasted dragon with the sound of a thousand horses 
on its wings" or a nuclear bomb than fire, or the cloud from a nuclear bomb 
as "a locust swarm given the authority to scourge mankind"

And remember, the prophetic utterances were witnessed, the only words came 
from the angel.   So if John saw a leader, and thought it was a fucking 
king, you are saying that this somehow invalidated everything?    What kind 
of a conservative are you?   Is religion a matter of convenience, that you 
use to comfort yourself, and to rally people against gay marriage, but if 
anything bad is ever uttered that too is ignored?

>> Israel will not be able to stand against the allied forces of all 
>> surrounding Arab nations, not to mention China and Russia.
>
> You must be completely out of your mind if you think that either China or 
> Russia will lay a finger on Israel. Why on earth would they? Israel is 
> just defending itself. A bit overwhelming, maybe, but hey, they're the 
> largest, best equipped, best trained military force out there. Yes, they 
> WILL stand against those allied forces, they've done it before, and 
> they've only gotten stronger since. It took them SIX DAYS to kick all 
> those asses. The "allied" arab forces are still firing scuds and kachukas. 
> They might as well be throwing bricks.

Wow you're right.  That is the same reason Rome never fell.

>> As Israel begins to fall, Bush will attempt to come to their rescue - 
>> calling out all guns, and pulling all existing alliances together.   It 
>> will be World War III, except - as noted, Bush has made clear that he has 
>> no reservations about using nuclear weapons, just as he didn't hesitate 
>> the use chemical weapons.   Whatever it takes to win.
>
> Where did Bush use chemical weapons? And, mind you, it took nuclear 
> weapons to END the second world war.

OMG why am I arguing with you?   Ever heard of Fallujah?   Even if you 
believed the theories that chemical weapons were not used against the Iraqi 
people - being completely ignorant of the conspiracy surrounding it tells me 
a lot about your interest and knowledge about the these things that you are 
choosing to argue with me.

>> We are not the kings of the world; Bush is not god.   The hammer will 
>> come down hard and swift
>
> I thought you said that Bush was the king. And who's hammer will come 
> down, anyway?

Arthas' (before he turned bad)

>> It's what happens when school yard bullies start controlling the most 
>> powerful nations on the earth, when peace keeping organizations are kept 
>> powerless and democracy is destroyed.
>
> I don't think that Bush was a school yard bully.

No you're right - him thinking himself god is a better analogy.   Who else 
to decide the fate of the entire world.  Condemn North Korea for testing 
weapons (the like of which we recently tested)   Condemn Sadaam for using 
chemical weapons (then use WP against the people of Fallujah, ironically in 
Iraq!)   Defy  the united nations and declare an illegal war, over his 
daddy's grudge?   Threaten the use of nuclear weapons against Iran over R&D?

Bush LIED to start a war against a helpless country - causing hundreds of 
thousands of Iraqis to die - something he dismisses as collatoral dammage, 
and says the war was justified because they "ousted a bad leader" (ignoring 
lies about a Sadaam funded nuclear weapons program, hundreds of billions of 
wasted dollars).     But if 10 Americans die from a suicide bomber he has a 
fucking conniption fit.   I cannot hold in high esteem someone that feels he 
has the right to judge that one person's life is more valuable than another 
person's life.

>  I also do not think that the United Nations are "powerless" and I also do 
> not believe that democracy was destroyed anywhere. People in Iraq can now 
> vote. Before that, they could only vote for Saddam Hussein or get a bullet 
> in the head (after being tortured).

The right to vote doesn't mean a whole lot when your entire country's 
infrastructure has gone to shit.  There are looters, rioters, violence. 
Bagdad and Fallujah are under occupation, and there is still fighting going 
on everywhere.    It is hard to get gas, people who have electricity at all, 
don't have it for 24 hours a day.

> Same goes for Afghanistan. Now you could debate whether or not the US has 
> the right to meddle in those affairs, but I think that it was really 
> Afghanistan who drew that much attention to themselves by harbouring 
> international terrorists.

I have seen various news sources of independant reporters going around 
talking to people, and the consensus seems to be that life was better under 
Sadaam than it is now.

>> Has anyone ever read the book of Revelation thinking in their mind that 
>> America might be Babylon The Great?  And if the "Great City" is to be 
>> completely destroyed "in one day", how else than by [nuclear] fire? "When 
>> you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation in the 
>> holy place, then you need to begin running for the hills and the 
>> mountains, and not turning back even to collect your things."  (Go back 
>> and read Revelation 18 and Mathew 24)
>
> Bla bla bla. Nuclear fire? Fire is not nuclear. A nuclear bomb does not 
> explode in a huge blast of fire. It's a huge blast of air pressure and a 
> lot of nasty radiation. Go away with that stupid ancient 
> changed-over-time-to-fit-the-church's-agenda book.

I am not associated with any church - because I do not believe that any 
church holds true to the ideals set forth by the first century christians or 
what Christ taught.    Being christian merely means believing in Jesus as 
god's son (and the way to salvation)

>> I say, when you hear that Jerusalem is under attack - that is when you 
>> need to make speedy flight.  I wouldn't want to be in a city of over 1 
>> million people!
>
> Why? Do you honestly think that when Jerusalem is under attack, all 
> countries all over the world will fire all their nuclear missiles in 
> unison at all the large cities in the world? Wtf are you smoking?

No.   I believe that if Jereseleum begins to fall, bush will blame Tehran 
and use his 90 day presidential authority to over - ride the senate to 
launch nuclear weapons against Iran.    The unjustified, and ridiculous use 
of nuclear weapons against Iran will provoke Iranian allies (or perhaps 
spark retaliation from nuclear armed terrorists who were otherwise meant to 
just be sleepers)

Remember what Osama Bin Laden said - the decision to attack the world trade 
center buildings is one that made the most sense - they had considered 
targetting nuclear power plants, but were concerned about the situation 
getting out of hand.   If nuclear weapons are being used indisciminantly 
against Arabs - there would be no reason for the terrorists to refrain from 
using them against us.    There could be a terror cell waiting in every 
large city with one of those missing "suitcase" bombs from the former soviet 
union waiting only to hear the report of a nuclear attack by America on an 
Arab country.

It is not THAT ridiculous.

>> The gun is cocked, and the only thing left is for Iran to gather its 
>> forces (and allies) and march (figuratively) on Israel and Bush will 
>> counter with nuclear weapons.
>
> Bahahaha. Israel will grab Iran by the balls and smack them back across 
> the border. Iran doesn't stand a chance.

Iran is rich and powerful - not to mention, Syria will fight alongside 
Iran - and they are a powerful ally.   Bush knows this, so not they are 
trying to simultaniously blame Iran and Syria for the kidnapping of some 
obscure soldier that I have never heard of before.  It is deja vu.    The 
administration targets a country, tries to piss people off at them, then 
goes and attacks.

>> (Whether or not they make the first move is completely inconsequential - 
>> it may be too late for them to make the first move anyway, they have been 
>> at the blunt end of a lot of BS for a long time.)
>
> Who? What? Who is "they"?

Iran.   If Iran rallies troops and tries to attack Isreal, or whether Isreal 
flies into Iran and starts a fight is inconsequential

>> I suppose though, I have a sick sense of humor.   Because, if all these 
>> things do come to pass, I hope someone is still around to give Bush a 
>> golf clap and say, "Bravo!  Bravo!   America is destroyed; because you're 
>> an asshole."   But I don't give him any credit.  He could be literally 
>> the last American [in America] alive, and look around at the ruined 
>> cities and curse that only they'd been a little tuffer on these damn 
>> terrorists.
>
> I fail to see any humor in this post. Besides ofcourse the whole 
> religional bible-quoting thing and doomsaying, but I don't think you meant 
> that.

I find you humorous.  So humanity is perfect and humans will live forever 
right?

>> If nuclear war does come it's not going to be Iran or North Korea; it's 
>> going to be China and Russia, those technologically advanced enough, to 
>> wage intercontinental war.  (And perhaps some unexpected/unlikely 
>> allies.)
>
> A nuclear war is never in the best interest of any country. Any country 
> will always look out for their own best interest, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 
> rogue states like North-Korea, or Iran, who either would drop a nuke for 
> religious (Iran) or megalomaniacal (North-Korea) reasons. The US knows 
> this, and therefore wants to make it impossible for those 2 countries to 
> develop nuclear weapons. Why? Because it's in the US best interest. Same 
> goes for Russia, same goes for China.

Just like the US which is threatening to use nuclear weapons.

I think Bush's religious and megalomaniacal agenda is going to cause World 
War III.   He, as president has the authority to begin a nuclear war - 
unless the Senate could rapidly come together to oust him as president. 
War is not in our best interest either.   Occupying Iraq cannot possibly 
have been in our best interest.   Taking over Afghanistan to try to get one 
fugitive, who still eluded us was not in our best interest.

So sit back and enjoy thinking that humanity is not in danger when we have a 
war happy, nuclear ready, idiot president leading the strongest military 
force on earth.

-- 
LTP

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