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On 2006-05-17, riku <ri...@none.invalid.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:03:47 GMT, "pigdos" <N...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Um, how can it be Real Time Strategy if you only control ONE unit at a time? 
>>I think we can still say Westwood developed the first RTS just because they 
>>were the first to allow you to control multiple units (thus contributing to 
>>the STRATEGY aspect of RTS). By your reasoning, Gauntlet was an RTS. How 
>>much strategy can you implement with ONE unit? Duh. Another aspect of 
>>strategy is controlling multiple units with different abilities, did Herzog 
>>Zwei have this feature?
>
> Good point. What is a RTS anyway?
>
> If controlling one unit (at a time) is enough, why then is Herzog Zwei
> (1990) considered to be the FIRST RTS? Off the top of my head, two
> years earlier (1988) there was such great game as Carrier Command on
> Atari ST and Amiga home computers.
>
> http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/carrier-command
>
> You controlled a carrier and its units (flying vehicles,
> amphibious vehicles etc., one at a time) trying to conquer a
> set of islands before a similar, computer-controlled, enemy
> carrier could do the same. And here's the real kicker: the game
> had (gasp!) good-looking 3D polygon graphics! And very fast one
> too! Although they were flat shaded filled polygons, not
> texture filled, but what do you expect from 1985 home computers
> with no dedicated 3D hardware?
>
> I am quite sure there were similar games long before Carrier
> Command (without 3D graphics though).
>
> Herzog Zwei the first RTS? Pffffffffffffffffft! Not even close!
>
> Anyway, it is not very far fetched to say "RTS" refers to
> real-time tactical games where you are controlling several
> units (like Dune 2, Warcraft and C&C), just like "survival
> horror" label seems to be reserved for Resident Evil
> lookalikes, even though you could argue many other games are
> also "survival horror".

And none of this discussion changes my opinion that RTS games are
just a glorified twitch-click-fest.

The speed and accuracy with which you can control the game is far
more important than any strategy you can imagine in every one
I've tried.

-- 
Neil Cerutti
Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other
team below 100 points they almost always win. --Doug Collins

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